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wormbo
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May 26, 2012, 8:36 PM

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Im looking for information on the following teams some of which played Cheltenham Town in the early days.
Ideally I would like to know of the location of home ground and what happend to the team.

Has anyone come across any of these teams names

Ashton under Hill
All Saints Old Boys - Cheltenham based produced players like Jack Haycox.
Atlas - must have something to do with the Atlas Works in Gloucester
Avening
Baker Street - Only record I seem to have found for them is Mike Summerbee was with them as a youngster
Blekeney
Bretforton Old Boys
Bream Amateurs
Bristol Beaufort
Brimscombe - are these now known as Brimscombe & Thrupp
Burrows Sports Club - Cheltenham based
Cam Mills - any connection to Cam and Cam Bulldogs
Cadbury Athletic - based in Frampton on Severn
Cavendish House - Must be a works team for the shop in Cheltenham town centre.
Charlton Rangers
Charlton Kings
Cheltenham YMCA
Cheltenham Original Brewery - Original tenants of Whaddon Road ground.
Christ Church
Cinderford Steam Mills
Clarence United
Coleford United
Collins & Godfrey
Crosby - Cheltenham Town FC seem to have played a few games at the ground of Crosby in the early 1900s cannot find any record of the team or where the ground was.
Dursley Rovers - any connection to Dursley Town
Ebley
Frampton United
Gas Green - I know of the area known as Gas Green in Cheltenham but never heard of a team associated with it.
Gloucester Post Office - Gloucester City played some games at ground that was shared with the Post Office club
Highbeech
Hoffmans
Kingswood - Seems to be quite a few with the name in the area that played Cheltenham. Kingswood in Bristol, Kingswood near Wotton under Edge and I beleive there was a Kingswood & Wotton.
Ledbury Victoria
Linden Old Boys
Listers - Must be the works team for the Listers factory in Dursley
Longhope
Lyefield Old Boys
M&SWJR
Popes Hill
Price Walkers
RAC - Possibly from Cirencester which could suggest the Royal Agricultural College
Rodborough Old Boys
Roseleigh
Ross Kyrlie
Rowanfield United - I know the Rowanfield area of Cheltenham the only team in that area seem to be St Marks could they be connected.
St Georges - Cheltenham based team
St Michaels - Gloucester based team
St Peters - Cheltenham based
St Pauls Training College - Must have something to do with the teaching college in the town
St Pauls United - could it be a seperate team to the training college. Were big rivals to Cheltenham Town in the early days.
Stroud - I know that Forest Green were known as Stroud in the early 1990s but this Stroud is from around 1908
Sunningend - There is a Sunningend works in Cheltenham could it be a works team.
Tewkesbury Abbey, Tewkesbury Magpies, Tewkesbury YMCA & Tewkesbury Town - could all Tewkesburys team be connected.
Tuffley & Whaddon - 2 areas in Gloucester that are quite close to each other any connection to the current Tuffley team.
Viney Hill - are they connected to Viney St Swithens
Warmley & Warmley Amateurs - are these 2 connected
Widden Old Boys
Wesley - think they were Cheltenham based
Westgate - think they were Gloucester
Wickwar
Winchcombe United - any connection to Wincombe Town
Woodchester

Some other clubs I have struggled to find info on are
Swindon Amateurs
Swindon Corinthians
Swindon Casuals
Swindon Colts
Swindon Imperial
Cardiff Corinthians
Cardiff All Blacks
National Smelting Company - based in Bristol I believe
Douglas - based in Bristol
Leicester Nomads
Melksham & Avon United
Warwick Town - is this a previous name of Racing Club Warwick.
Birmingham Trams
South West Ham
Oxford University Centaurs & Oxford University - Cheltenham played both teams in the same season suggesting they are 2 different teams
Plymouth & Stonehouse Gas Company.

And one ground I have been puzzled by locally is the UCAL ground in Cheltenham nobody i have met has ever heard of it. Cheltenhan Town played a county cup game as the home team there in 1946.

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2012-13 Grounds: 8 (7 New)
Barnet (Underhill), Cheltenham Town (Whaddon Road), Evesham United (Jubilee Stadium), Fairford Town (Cinder Lane), Hereford United (Edgar Street), Kidderminster Harriers (Aggborough), Portishead Town (Bristol Road), Totton & Eling (Millers Park)

Total Number of Grounds Visited: 37

John Treleven
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May 27, 2012, 8:41 AM

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United Chemists' Association Limited
U.C.A.L. was a pharmaceutical manufacturing company created in the early 20th century by chemists and druggists from London and Cheltenham.

Its factory was located in Cheltenham and it had additional offices in London and Liverpool.
Its registered address at Companies House is Windsor House, Bayshill Road, Cheltenham GL50 3AT

Tim
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May 27, 2012, 9:27 AM

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Blakeney = North Glos League
Bretforton Old Boys = Stratford Alliance
Bream Amateurs = North Glos League
Charlton Rangers = Cheltenham League
Cinderford Steam Mills = Steam Mills in North Glos League
Coleford United = North Glos League
Ebley = first team folded end of 2010-11
Frampton United = Glos Northern Senior League
Kingswood = Glos County League
Longhope = Utd Longhope in North Glos League
Rodborough Old Boys = Stroud League

acmold
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May 27, 2012, 9:45 AM

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Hoffmans - Presume Hoffmans Athletic from Stonehouse a works team who played in the Western League in the 40's and 50's, covered in Forest Green's history book
http://www.skf.com/...skf?contentId=268094 item about the factory

Birmingham Trams - Birmingham Tramways played in the Birmingham Combination until 1950, presume until trams became defunct in Brum, there still is a West Midlands Transport ground used in Birmingham AFA.

Oxford University Centaurs & Oxford University - Cheltenham played both teams in the same season suggesting they are 2 different teams - Centaurs is the name for the University's 2nd XI

Plymouth & Stonehouse Gas Company - was as it says on tin, swollowed up into other larger Gas Companies - South Western Gas, so presume team died with company

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John Treleven
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May 27, 2012, 2:01 PM

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Plymouth & Stonehouse was probably East Stonehouse, near Devenport and not the one in Glos.

Plymouth, Devenport & (East) Stonehouse united to form City of Plymouth

John Treleven
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May 27, 2012, 2:13 PM

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The Plymouth and Stonehouse Gas Light and Coke Company was established in 1844 and continued until 1949 when in the midst of the post-war enthusiasm for nationalisation, the South-Western Gas Board was formed and it took over the gas works on 1st May 1949.

Mister TwoU
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May 28, 2012, 10:27 AM

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Melksham & Avon United - Avon Tyres is/was Melksham's major employer for very many years. This would appear to be another of those west-country teams, where the named town and named local employer joined forces.

I cannot tell you definitively if it was a merger of two separate prior teams, nor whether the current Melksham Town team is related.

However, I note there was a 'Melksham Town' club in the FAC entries in several seasons from 1909/10-1919/20, 'Melksham & Avon' United entered 1920/21-1926/27 & plain 'Melksham' entries between 1927/28 & 1934/35. The next time the town pops up is in 1951/52 as 'Melksham Town' once more and aside 1970/71 was a permanent FAC entrant up to 2005/06 when my cup data ends.

As Melksham Town FC claim a founding year of 1876, I'd feel pretty safe assuming all of the above are one and the same club.

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May 28, 2012, 12:54 PM

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Collins and Godfrey appear to have been building contractors from Tewkesbury the firm appears to have shut down during the 2nd world war in 1942

Swindon Corinthians - seemed to have had quite a history, if Googled quite a number of sites with info come up, in cluding the pictures below.

http://www.flickr.com/...donlocal/4504577949/

http://www.flickr.com/...donlocal/3653198659/

http://www.flickr.com/...tgallery/5148623286/

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Bristol Rovers
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May 28, 2012, 1:19 PM

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Several Bristol Rovers players appear to have played briefly for Douglas in the 1920s, so I supect they were a Bristol side - or at least north of the city somewhere. Alf Bowers, who played five times for Charlton, three times for Rovers and once for QPR (1924-27) started his career at Hoffmans Athletic. Syd Holcroft, after playing for Rovers, 1924-27, joined Birmingham Corporation Trams on 6 Feb 1928.

Wormbo - a response to Bristol Rovers conections has been e-mailed to you.

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May 28, 2012, 2:02 PM

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I think I have posted this before somewhere but Douglas were a Western League side playing in Kingswood at Wood Road, I think.
The pitch was lost in the 70s as the club folded and the works made a car park on it but until recently the site was still there and I thnk there was a bit of terrace with a crash barrier. Not been there for a while so may have changed.

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May 28, 2012, 3:46 PM

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Oxford City played some of these teams:-
Swindon Amateurs 1898/99 and 1899/1900 (twice each season)
Swindon Corinthians Sept 1928
Swindon Victoria Apr 1932, Mar 1935 and Apr 1939

I don't think RC Warwick and Warwick Town are the same club. RCW appear to have been founded in 1919, but there was a Warwick Town in existence in 1930.

Although Oxford City never actually played Warmley, another Oxford team, Cygnets, played them in the 1890s. Warmley competed in the Southern League, Div 2 in 1896/97 and 1897/98. Apparently they had a lot of crowd trouble in a Cup match against Millwall (plus ca change!) and the club disappeared around 1899.

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May 28, 2012, 6:06 PM

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I don't think RC Warwick and Warwick Town are the same club. RCW appear to have been founded in 1919, but there was a Warwick Town in existence in 1930.

Weren't Racing Club formerly Saltisford Rovers?

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May 28, 2012, 9:06 PM

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A little bit of info on some clubs -

National Smelting Co.
Played in Western League Division 2 from 1947 to 1951.
Believe they then dropped into the Bristol & Suburban League.
Last season they played was 2004-05 in the Third Division of the Bristol & Suburban League.
Played on the Shirehampton Road [B4054].
Ground now built on with road named Queens Gate

Bristol Beaufort
Not a club I have previously heard of.
Might have been a pub side - there are several Beaufort pubs in Bristol, which is about 15 miles south of the Duke of Beaufort's estate. There is one Sunday League side in Bristol called Beaufort, whilst there was a Beaufort United club in the Bristol Premier Combination in the 1960s and 1970s playing their home matches at Oldbury Court, Fishponds, Bristol, and a Beaufort [formerly Woodside Athletic] in the Bristol Downs League in the 1980s.
Or just a suggestion - was Bristol Beaufort a works side from the Bristol Aircraft Co. who built the Beaufort fighter plane?

Wickwar
A village between Chipping Sodbury [Glos County League] and the famous Tytherington Rocks [Hellenic Lge.].

Others
Details on several clubs such as Douglas, Cardiff Corinthians and Sindon Corinthians can be found on Richard Rundle's superb site fchd.info

Mister TwoU
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May 29, 2012, 7:37 PM

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A little bit of info on some clubs -

National Smelting Co.
Played in Western League Division 2 from 1947 to 1951.
Believe they then dropped into the Bristol & Suburban League.
Last season they played was 2004-05 in the Third Division of the Bristol & Suburban League.
Played on the Shirehampton Road [B4054].
Ground now built on with road named Queens Gate

Bristol Beaufort
Not a club I have previously heard of.
Might have been a pub side - there are several Beaufort pubs in Bristol, which is about 15 miles south of the Duke of Beaufort's estate. There is one Sunday League side in Bristol called Beaufort, whilst there was a Beaufort United club in the Bristol Premier Combination in the 1960s and 1970s playing their home matches at Oldbury Court, Fishponds, Bristol, and a Beaufort [formerly Woodside Athletic] in the Bristol Downs League in the 1980s.
Or just a suggestion - was Bristol Beaufort a works side from the Bristol Aircraft Co. who built the Beaufort fighter plane?

Wickwar
A village between Chipping Sodbury [Glos County League] and the famous Tytherington Rocks [Hellenic Lge.].

Others
Details on several clubs such as Douglas, Cardiff Corinthians and Sindon Corinthians can be found on Richard Rundle's superb site fchd.info

I had an inkling that this is so, prior to your suggestion. However, not got any supportive evidence, so kept schtumm.

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TUFCJON
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May 29, 2012, 10:59 PM

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A little info on Douglas here:

http://torquayfansforum.com/...read=7663&page=1

Jaundiced Hack
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May 29, 2012, 11:02 PM

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Sadly you have to fanny about to get into that site and I can't be arsed!!
It's gone 11 and I am still at work.

TUFCJON
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May 30, 2012, 8:51 PM

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Sadly you have to fanny about to get into that site and I can't be arsed!!
It's gone 11 and I am still at work.

Sorry. I hadn't realised that the site was temporarily closed to guests.

It's back open again now, so you shouldn't have to fanny around if you try the link again.

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May 30, 2012, 10:20 PM

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Charlton Kings were founder members of the Glos County Lge in 68/9 and had 10 seasons there.

They were still going in the Cheltenham Lge in the late 80s when I had a few games for them, playing at the Beeches on Sappercombe Lane. They don't seem to be going any more so I suspect they later merged with, or morphed into, another team, perhaps Charlton Rovers, when their main man (Don Perry) had to hand over the reins. I'm sure he told me that they groundshared at Cheltenham Town in their first season in the GCL, though I doubt they were there the whole 10 years.

wormbo
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May 31, 2012, 4:50 PM

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Thank you to everyone who has replied all very interesting and helpful, and has given me a few leads to gain further information. If I could edit the first post I could remove the teams I have now got the info on that i needed.

Tim - Cheers for the league info I really should have looked harder at the local leagues.

pitch 63 - the only record of Bristol Beaufort I have found is that they appeared in the Gloucestershire Junior Cup and played Cheltenham Town (beating them 2-0 on there ground in November 1903). I will try and revisit that year when I next look in the local Cheltenham paper archive and see if a ground name or area is mentioned.

Mark - Thanks for the info on Charlton Kings, I have just found out that a close friend of mine has some connections to Charlton Rovers and thinks that some ground works at the Beeches ground (which is claimed was once the best ground in Gloucestershire) might still be visible, so I will further investigate what happend to the once mighty Charlton Kings.

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Google Earth Sappercombe Lane and then using the historical imergery and take it back to 1945 and there appears to be an enclosed ground with cover down one side, this is beyond the first pitches (a football & hockey pitch in the 2007 view) you see as you come into the complex from Sappercombe Lane, the enclosed ground has an enterance off of The Beeches.

Falcons in Division One of the Cheltenham League are listed as playing at the ground.

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Mark
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May 31, 2012, 10:04 PM

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That's the same pitch where I played in the late 80s, albeit without any signs of a cover. The changing rooms did still have those old plunge baths though.

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May 31, 2012, 10:34 PM

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Google Earth Sappercombe Lane and then using the historical imergery and take it back to 1945 and there appears to be an enclosed ground with cover down one side, this is beyond the first pitches (a football & hockey pitch in the 2007 view) you see as you come into the complex from Sappercombe Lane, the enclosed ground has an enterance off of The Beeches.

What a great tool that is. I've just used it to find a well-known hopper storming away from a ground because there were no programmes left. A great tool.

Tim
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May 31, 2012, 11:07 PM

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I went to the Beeches earlier this season and there is nothing left to see from days gone by - just a very basic park set up.

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Beaufort were apparently around in 1888/89 and were certainly playing in the East Bristol & District League in 1898/99 and the Bristol & District League from 1899/00 through to 1907/08; they apparently played home matches at New Brislington, playing in blue and white stripes.

Warmley were in the B & DL in 1901/02, 02/03 and 03/04. Warmley Amateurs were also in the B & DL in 1902/03 and 03/04, alongside Warmley, and were there in their own right at least until 1909/10.

Going back to Warmley, the original Warmley were founded in 1882 and were regarded as the premier amateur side in Bristol at the time, playing the Tennis Court ground, Warmley and later at Clifton's old ground of The Chequers. However they folded, for financial reasons, in January 1899 but the Warmley name was apparently "revived with thre amateur organisations being formed, one called warmley (Gloucs Junior Cup finalists in 1902/03), another known as Warmley Amateurs (Gloucestershire Intermediate Cup finalists 1907/08 and Junior Cup winners 1906-07) and a third called Warmley Athletic (N Bristol & District League Div 2 champions 1899-00)".

Which Warmley was involved against Cheltenham I'll leave you to work out !!

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Have you tried emailing the University of Gloucestershire (formerly St. Pauls Training College) and the Royal Agricultural College in Cirencester both these places have archive departments which maybe able to help you.

I believe that St Pauls United and the Training College teams were separate teams. United I also think played at a ground called Agg Gardners Recreation Ground in Pitville Park. The same ground that Cheltenham Town have listed as a former ground.

There is a book about Gloucester City called The Complete Record of Gloucester City AFC by Timothy RD Clark which has a location of the Gloucester Post Office ground. If the Post Office Club mentioned indeed is the Gloucester Post Office team then the ground was called Co-Operative Field in India Road.

Price Walkers - also mentioned in the above book

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Company football team. Price Walkers & Co dealt with timber. Played in Gloucester.

Its business type suggests it could have been based near to the docks in the city

St Michaels - Merged with Gloucester City in 1906. Played in Hempsted.

Roseleigh - Cheltenham based team according to the Gloucester City book.

Dursley Rovers - A site about football in Dursley http://www.dursleyglos.org.uk/...ootball/football.htm Seems that Dursley Rovers and Town started as two separate but amalgamated in 1926. The site also mentions Listers.

I have never heard of a Crosby team in Cheltenham just the team near Liverpool

Lyefield Old Boys - There is a Lyefield Road East and West in Cheltenham in the Charlton Kings area it could be the team you are looking for is from that area.

Burrows Sports Club - A possible ground for them could be a playing field in Leckhampton called The Burrows.

Cardiff Corinthians I believe is the full name of Cardiff Corries.

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