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Swindon Addick
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Bosham's relegation isn't really a relegation - just a sideways move. I'm sure most clubs in the Sussex Leagues are happy with their pyramid system but I feel some may be missing a trick here.

As there are a few 'step 7' leagues in the county a club finishing in a promotion position in the West Sussex or any of the others could theoretically apply to join Sussex 2 rather than Sussex 3. The league may not be happy and try to block it but I'm sure the FA would let it happen.
Looking at this season's list of step 7 leagues on the FA website, both Sussex 3 and WSL are marked as 'suspended or to be removed'. It looks like the Sussex League are trying to get all their clubs up to the standard to regain official status whilst the West Sussex is more relaxed about it all.

I think you've put your finger on it there. If Sussex 3 doesn't have step 7 status then it's hard to see how the league could force clubs to apply to D3 rather than D2, if there are vacancies in D2. So any club which had the grading for step 6 could bypass D3. Hence why the league would be particularly keen to meet the criteria for step 7. Other leagues, such as those mentioned earlier in the thread, presumably just accept that they won't be step 7, but aren't concerned because their member clubs will still be able to apply to step 6 if they wish.

None of which changes the blame for this mess - step 7 was functioning reasonably well before gradings were extended to it, and now the FA has ruined it.



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I think part of the problem is that someone gave step 7 status to a number of leagues that did not really warrant it, more so in Sussex, so it looks like the FA are trying to get a Step 7 set up and the other leagues drop down to step 8 and below.

Just to clear things up the man from Bosham cannot read properly, the letter he got was from the Sussex County Football League not the Sussex County FA. The County FA have nothing to do with ground gradings/ relegating clubs etc.


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The County FA have nothing to do with ground gradings/ relegating clubs etc.


As evidenced by the recent events at Lancing FC! Wink


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Just to clear things up the man from Bosham cannot read properly, the letter he got was from the Sussex County Football League not the Sussex County FA. The County FA have nothing to do with ground gradings/ relegating clubs etc.

Thanks for clarifying that - I was wondering why the County FA were involved!



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If Lancing FC had been really serious about promotion then you would have thought that they would have spoken to the County FA first before applying, but they didnt/forgot etc and the Sussex FA only found out when the FA released the names of the teams that had applied ! Any way i will be surprised if Lancing compete at the top in 2012/13 as i was told today Lancing's assistant manager has left to join Shoreham FC and it was the assistant who brought the players to Lancing FC.


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I think part of the problem is that someone gave step 7 status to a number of leagues that did not really warrant it, more so in Sussex,,,,,,


I guess that historically all the Leagues in Sussex classed as Intermediate by Sussex FA were given Step 7 status without taking any other factors into account.



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Yes i think that is what happened historically.


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Sorry, I think that was me rather than the man from Bosham. It was indeed the Sussex County League that made the decision.

It has also been confirmed that Haywards Heath and Roffey will stay in Div 3 as a result of Bosham's relegation, according to Nomad.


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I think part of the problem is that someone gave step 7 status to a number of leagues that did not really warrant it, more so in Sussex,,,,,,


I guess that historically all the Leagues in Sussex classed as Intermediate by Sussex FA were given Step 7 status without taking any other factors into account.



I think in a number of County F.A's give different status to leagues than the F.A. do. Certainly the Oxfordshire F.A. treated the OSL, NBL and Reading League differently. For Senior Cup entry the Premier sides of OSL were allowed in, from the Reading League the top two divisions and from the NBL no divisions. In the past couple of years this has been changed but it took a very long time. This of course caused a knock on effect for the Intermediate Cup and Junior Shield, I am pretty sure about 4 or 5 years ago Benson who were in the top division of the NBL were put in the Junior Shield.

Think this may have come up in Dorset as well.



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Yes, the County FAs do give different status to leagues than the FA, because they're operating on different scales.

FA uses Steps 1-7, County FA use Senior & Junior (and in some cases Intermediate). The definition of "Senior" for that County doesn't have to match the definition in another county.


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due to facilities.... is this the first of many?

http://www.pitchero.com/...x-county-588612.html

Oh, and someone from Sidlesham reckons they have already been told that they will be promoted from the West Sussex League into Sussex Div 3 -are their facilities really better than Bosham's? Or are Billingshurst's unsuitable?


Spoke to someone today connected to Sidlesham and confirmed both Sidlesham and Billinghurst are to be promoted to Div 3 next season, subject to clarification at AGM of course.



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There's all sorts going on in Sussex. Dorking Wanderers have promised a statement tomorrow (well, today now) following a league meeting tonight. There are a few more surprises in store in the league that will probably be announced as well according to the Nomad forum. A 22 team Division 1 seems nailed on.

Re. Bosham, they've been kicked out as they're the lowest placed side without the step 7 grading so the league is trying to regain official step 7 status for Division 3 and balls to the clubs!

Quote from the Sussex League vice-chairman -

"There are five sides in division three who didn’t meet the required Grade I but Bosham were the lowest-placed of them."

The league is allowed to keep four clubs in the division who don’t make the grade but if less than 75 per cent of clubs don’t meet standards, central FA grant money would dry up.


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There's all sorts going on in Sussex. Dorking Wanderers have promised a statement tomorrow (well, today now) following a league meeting tonight. There are a few more surprises in store in the league that will probably be announced as well according to the Nomad forum. A 22 team Division 1 seems nailed on.

Re. Bosham, they've been kicked out as they're the lowest placed side without the step 7 grading so the league is trying to regain official step 7 status for Division 3 and balls to the clubs!

Quote from the Sussex League vice-chairman -

"There are five sides in division three who didn’t meet the required Grade I but Bosham were the lowest-placed of them."

The league is allowed to keep four clubs in the division who don’t make the grade but if less than 75 per cent of clubs don’t meet standards, central FA grant money would dry up.


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Really - who are the 4 above them - top 2 obviously have the grading as they're going up to Step 6. Pease Pottage Village and Broadbridge Heath have been at Step 6 in the recent past so can't imagine its them. I'd imagine Uckfield Town have the required ground grading for Step 6 so by process of elimination its Barnham, Ferring, Forest and Rottingdean Village?

The FA have gone bonkers if they think these 4 grounds are not up to the required standard to host Step 7 (level 11) football! Pathetic! The clubs should revolt!


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There's all sorts going on in Sussex. Dorking Wanderers have promised a statement tomorrow (well, today now) following a league meeting tonight. There are a few more surprises in store in the league that will probably be announced as well according to the Nomad forum. A 22 team Division 1 seems nailed on.

Re. Bosham, they've been kicked out as they're the lowest placed side without the step 7 grading so the league is trying to regain official step 7 status for Division 3 and balls to the clubs!

Quote from the Sussex League vice-chairman -

"There are five sides in division three who didn’t meet the required Grade I but Bosham were the lowest-placed of them."

The league is allowed to keep four clubs in the division who don’t make the grade but if less than 75 per cent of clubs don’t meet standards, central FA grant money would dry up.


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VP, you seem to have a finger on the pulse. Can you poit me at a grading document for Step 7 as the lowest Grading Doc I can find is Grade H, for entry into Step 6.

Are there grading requirements at Step 7?



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Can you poit me at a grading document for Step 7 as the lowest Grading Doc I can find is Grade H, for entry into Step 6.

Are there grading requirements at Step 7?


SWP-Phil posted it on the SWP thread a couple of weeks ago. It's not officially called grade 'I' by the FA at the moment but to all intents and purposes that's what it is. It says:-

GROUND GRADING REQUIREMENTS

STEP 7 MINIMUM GRADING GUIDELINES


1. GROUND
1.1 Security of Tenure
Where a club does not own the freehold of their ground then evidence of adequate security of tenure must be provided.
1.2 Ground Share
Ground sharing would be at the discretion of each league within the National League System, taking into account local circumstances. Where ground sharing is permitted the club must have sole control over and use of facilities on match days.
Ground sharing must not be allowed in order for a club to gain promotion.
1.3 Capacity
There is no stated ground capacity.
1.4 Boundary of Ground
There is no requirement for a ground to be enclosed in any way.
1.5 Clubhouse
A clubhouse facility, whilst being desirable, is not compulsory.
If a clubhouse facility exits either on or adjacent to the ground, this should be open on match days to provide refreshments to spectators.
1.6 Car Parking
There should be adequate car parking facilities on or adjacent to the ground.
1.7 Pitch Perimeter Barrier
As a minimum, there must be post and rope surrounding the pitch on all those sides that may be occupied by spectators.
The barrier, if other than solid wall type of construction may be infilled. Advertising boards may be acceptable as a means of infill.
Ideally, there should be a minimum of 1.83 metres, ideally 2 metres between the touchline, goal line and the pitch perimeter barrier.
1.8 Pitch Standards
The playing surface will be grass, unless otherwise authorised by the respective League Rules and must be of an acceptable standard. It must be free from surface depressions and excessive undulations.
The maximum slope allowable shall not exceed an even gradient of vertical to horizontal 1 : 41 in any direction.
1.9 Playing Area
The playing area is to be in accordance with the requirements of the Laws of the Game. Law 1 states that the length of the touchline must be greater than the length of the goal line.
Length - Minimum 90 m (100 yds) Maximum 120 m (130 yds)
Width - Minimum 45 m (50 yds) Maximum 90 m (100 yds)
It should be noted that at Grade H the playing area must be a minimum of 100 metres x 64 metres.
Goal posts and goal net supports should be of professional manufacture and conform to the current safety requirements and to the requirements of the Laws of the Game.
Reference should be made to the Goalpost Safety Information booklet published by The Football Association.
1.10 Technical Area
Portable trainers’ boxes are permitted and must be securely fixed when in use.
It is desirable for a Technical Area to be marked out in accordance with the guidance contained in the ‘Laws of the Game’ booklet.
1.11 Secure Walkway
A secure walkway is not a requirement.
1.12 Floodlighting
Floodlighting is not compulsory at this Grade.
However, where it is provided it must be to an average lux reading of 120. No single reading can be less than one quarter of the highest reading so as to ensure an even spread of light.
Reading shall be on a grid of 88 markings (8 across, 11 down) evenly spaced with the outside readings falling on the pitch boundary line. The average of all the readings is taken to be the average illumination level in lux of the floodlighting installation.
The lux values must be tested every two years in accordance with current guidelines by an approved independent contractor.
When new or improved installations are being planned, an average lux. reading of 180 should be provided.
1.13 Public Address System
A public address system is not compulsory.


1.14 Entrances
There is no requirement for fixed entry points.
However, where a turnstile is installed, it must be fully operational and of the controlled revolving type.
1.15 Exits
Where fixed exit points are provided, there must be sufficient to ensure the safe evacuation of the ground if necessary.
All exits must be clearly signposted.
1.16 Emergency Access
Access for emergency services should be provided.

2. SPECTATOR FACILITIES
2.1 Seated Accommodation
Seated accommodation is not a requirement.
2.2 Covered Standing Accommodation
Covered accommodation is not compulsory.
Hard standing is not compulsory.
However, where it is provided it must be a minimum width of 0.9 metres, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier where provided. .
2.3 Toilets
Provision should be made for adequate toilet facilities.
2.4 Refreshment Facilities
Refreshment facilities for spectators are not compulsory.

3. DRESSING ROOM FACILITIES All dressing rooms must be secure and suitable for purpose.

3.1 Players
Separate dressing rooms must be provided for both teams. Existing dressing rooms dimensions will be in order, provided that they are of a minimum of 12 square metres, excluding shower and toilet areas.
However, clubs wishing to progress should be aware of the need to increase to a minimum of 18 square metres. Where clubs are planning to build new changing rooms, these must be planned to be a minimum size of 18 square metres, excluding shower and toilet areas.
Each dressing room should have the following:
A shower area comprising of at least 3 working showerheads
Adequate toilet facilities for players
Hot and cold running water
3.2 Match Officials
Separate dressing rooms must be provided for match officials, the minimum size of which shall be
4 square metres excluding shower and toilet areas.
Each match official’s dressing room should have the following:
At least 1 working showerhead (with hot and cold running water)
Adequate toilet facilities which do not necessarily need to be situated in the dressing room
Provision should be made for changing accommodation for both male and female match officials.
When new changing rooms are being planned or existing changing rooms refurbished an area of 6 square metres and facilities for mixed gender match officials should be provided All dressing room areas to be maintained to a high level of cleanliness and secure on match days.

4. MEDICAL
There must be a suitable qualified person (minimum F.A. Save a Life) in attendance.
All clubs must provide first aid equipment at their ground.


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the only quibble I would have with this is the need for male and female match officials changing rooms.

Apart from that it all seems quite reasonable. Lax even?



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Latest from the Nomad forum is that East Preston, Hailsham, Littlehampton and Loxwood have all been promoted to Div 1, and Midhurst remaiin in Div 2.

It also seems to depend on how many teams they want in each league at each level...


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Latest from the Nomad forum is that East Preston, Hailsham, Littlehampton and Loxwood have all been promoted to Div 1, and Midhurst remaiin in Div 2.

It also seems to depend on how many teams they want in each league at each level...


I am guessing they're expanding D1 to 22 teams if the above is true. 4 up and Chichester City down would make 22.

Why is Midhurst & Easebourne remaining in Division Two newsworthy? Have I missed something? They didn't finish in a relegation place? Were they threatened with demotion?


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Latest from the Nomad forum is that East Preston, Hailsham, Littlehampton and Loxwood have all been promoted to Div 1, and Midhurst remaiin in Div 2.

It also seems to depend on how many teams they want in each league at each level...


I am guessing they're expanding D1 to 22 teams if the above is true. 4 up and Chichester City down would make 22.

Why is Midhurst & Easebourne remaining in Division Two newsworthy? Have I missed something? They didn't finish in a relegation place? Were they threatened with demotion?


Possibly because the Sussex League are actively relegating teams without the grading. M&E don't have the grading for step 6.
The league have cleared Division 1, they're doing Division 3 just so they can get official step 7 status yet it seems they're not doing Division 2 yet.


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Latest from the Nomad forum is that East Preston, Hailsham, Littlehampton and Loxwood have all been promoted to Div 1, and Midhurst remaiin in Div 2.

It also seems to depend on how many teams they want in each league at each level...


So they're going from 20/18/16 to 22/16/16 presumably?

Shoreham and St. Francis Rangers reprieved in Div. 1?

I've no idea why you mentioned Midhurst btw - were they going somewhere?

Seaford Town and Oakwood relegated to Div. 3 & replaced by Newhaven and Saltdean United (as normal)?



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Midhurst were very worried about whether their current facilities and grading would allow them to remain in Div 2, so they will be a relieved club tonight.

I think their ground deal also depended on which league they ended up in... now they know where they are they can start to improve the ground to reach the right grade for next season.

Someone on Nomad has posted a Sussex League lineup for next season, as yet unconfirmed, so I won't reproduce it here.


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I think the point is that any relegation from D2 would have involved the two lowest clubs without the grading, Little Common & Midhurst, not the bottom two, Oakwood & Seaford, who both have it. Beyond this the situation still seems complicated, with some versions leaving D2 with 17 clubs and D3 with 15; this upsets the 75 percent position in D3 which appears to be SCFL's main concern. So, although Midhurst are safe, perhaps Little Common aren't?


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Have Hailsham got seats now then?



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Little Common have just had a 50 seater stand installed and the floodlights
are going up in the next fortnight.
This will ensure the club complies with step 6 ground grading requirements.

Rye utd have met ground grading Criteria for step 5.
They have achieved the F grade for sussex county div 1.


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Have Hailsham got seats now then?



Yes, The Stringers (or The Sham if you're 'old school') built the necessary stand during last season.

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