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Oxford Stone
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Having (without really being too bothered) noticed my local league team Oxford U lose their playoff spot late on (in playoffs game 26 to game 43) I've looked it up and see that Crewe, who are now in the playoff final, only got as high as 8th on game 38 and into the playoffs after 44 games.

But there must have been teams leaving it later than that (league or non-league - playoff, champs or direct promotion) and I seem to remember there have been teams who have only fallen into a relegation place on the last day if not last few minutes as well... any anecdotes?


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I seem to remember that when Burnley won the Division One
title in 1960, they hadn't topped the table all season until their
final game at Man City, were a 2-1 win took them above Wolves.

Of course it may be a load of cojones as I can't be arsed to check.



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I'd have to check my records to confirm it, but I'm pretty sure that Swansea City left getting into the play-off places until the last day of the season when they went up from Division 4 in the 1987-88 season, when I was living there as a student.

Back in those day, the play-offs involved three sides hoping for promotion plus one trying to avoid relegation from the division above: Swansea beat third division Rotherham United 2-1 over two legs (meaning Rotherham were relegated), then beat Torquay United 6-5 over the two legged final to win promotion. What made their promotion even more remarkable was that at Christmas that season they'd been as low as fourth from bottom, and in the end-of-season run-in I saw them lose 2-4 at home to Crewe and 0-3 at home to Rochdale. However, good away form and a last day victory over Darlington* just scraped them into the play-offs for the first time that season.

*I wasn't at this match, but instead watch Portsmouth being relegated at Manchester United, but I can remember waiting outside WHSmiths at Piccadilly station for the Manchester pink'un to arrive so I could find out the Swans' score.



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In doing some research for a pre-season friendly visit to Woodford United, newly promoted from the United Counties League that summer, I think I came across a news article stating that "in finishing as Champions of the UCL Premier the only time they had topped the table all season was after all the games had been completed".



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In 1998, Workington were relegated to the the NWCL. They came straight back, winning their last 14 games, the last of those a 2-1 win over leaders Mossley. What was their lowest position in the season?

PS Champions of NWCL2 that season were Fleetwood Freeport. Wonder what happened to them...


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Lincoln City who were the 1st club relegated to the conference in 1986-87, were never bottom of the table during the season until after the final game.


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Similarly, in 1977-78 Blackpool spent most of the season in the top half of the second division. I believe they were 6th at one point in March. But a disastrous run in left them relegated on in 20th place on 37 points while the 7 clubs above them had 38.

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Go on then Don , after Torquay game it was.
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Oxford United 95/6 had a run at the end of the season to take 2nd spot in what I would call Division Three, overtaking Blackpool on the final day of the season. Think they were 15th or 16 going into the New Year.

When they won the Third Division in 67/8 they were midtable or below for much of the season and did not win an away game until 16th March, they were champions with just 57 points, Stockport finished in 13th spot with 47 points.

Likewise the season they went down to the Conference 2005/06 think they were 2nd just before Christmas.



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My team were 14th in Division 2 (now League 1) in March 1996, then went on a hell of a run. We snuck into the playoffs on the last match of the season when we won at Hull while Chesterfield dropped points elsewhere. Lost the home leg of the semis 2-0 to Blackpool then incredibly won 3-0 away. Strolled past Notts County at Wembley to go up - happy days!

Going in the other direction, weren't Millwall top of what is now the Championship on Boxing Day one year, only to end up being relegated with a record high tally of 52 points?


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Maidenhead United won promotion and first reached a playoff place after their penultimate game of the 2006/07 season. After the first weekend in March they were 17th in the table.



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Lincoln City who were the 1st club relegated to the conference in 1986-87, were never bottom of the table during the season until after the final game.



Wasn't that the year Torquay United pulled off their memorable escape thanks to Bryn, the police dog? I seem to have read that the Gulls were tied 1-1 in the last minute of stoppage time of the last game of the season at Plainmoor. A draw would have sent Torquay down, but the dog apparently got off the leash of his handler, ran onto the pitch and bit one of the opposing players. The referee added 3 more minutes of time due to the disturbance, Torquay was able to score the winning goal, and down went Lincoln City! If it was that year, it's still one of the craziest last day circumstances I've ever heard about
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On 10th March 2007, Bristol Rovers trailed by two goals inside the opening nine minutes at Boston United, lost 2-1 and, if my memory serves me right, were seventeenth in the League Two table (I stand to be corrected on the position - can't find a table anywhere on the internet). We then won most of the remaining games, slipped into the play-offs in the penultimate game, but still needed to win away to Hartlepool on the final day to make the play-offs. Hartlepool needed a point (?) to be champions. We went a goal down, came back to win 2-1, beat Lincoln City over two legs and, despite trailing early on, beat Shrewsbury Town at Wembley to secure promotion.


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On 10th March 2007, Bristol Rovers trailed by two goals inside the opening nine minutes at Boston United, lost 2-1 and, if my memory serves me right, were seventeenth in the League Two table (I stand to be corrected on the position - can't find a table anywhere on the internet). We then won most of the remaining games, slipped into the play-offs in the penultimate game, but still needed to win away to Hartlepool on the final day to make the play-offs. Hartlepool needed a point (?) to be champions. We went a goal down, came back to win 2-1, beat Lincoln City over two legs and, despite trailing early on, beat Shrewsbury Town at Wembley to secure promotion.


16th on 10 March 2007.

They slipped to 17th on Friday, 16 March 2007 as Rochdale, who won on the Friday night overtook them, but Bristol Rovers had one to three games in hand over the teams above them.

A win on the Saturday (17 March 2007) moved them up to 13th.



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 A draw would have sent Torquay down, but the dog apparently got off the leash of his handler, ran onto the pitch and bit one of the opposing players.
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Bloody 'Bryn'.

A few reports .

(Independant) Seven minutes to go, Torquay are all but down, but then a police dog called Bryn takes a chunk out of Torquay defender Jim McNichol's thigh.

(Sentinel)Platt and a Peter Bodak free-kick had put mid-table Crewe in charge before Jim McNichol pulled one back just after half-time.
Defender McNichol was then bitten on the thigh by a police German Shepherd called Bryn as he advanced down the wing, leaving a wound that later required 17 stitches.

McNichol limped through several minutes of injury time until Paul Dobson's equaliser saved Torquay and condemned Lincoln City to the Conference on goal difference.
McNichol recalled: "Ever since that day, too many people remember me for that.
"I played 500 games and scored more than 70 goals. I think I was a bit better than just a guy who got bitten by a dog."



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Thanks for the recap of that match in Torquay, D A! I'm a Torquay fan who's never been to England, so my recollection of that match is resigned to my memory (which isn't as good as it used to be Mad)!


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Grimsby managed to stay out of the bottom four of League One for the whole of the 2003-2004 season...until the 88th minute of the last game, when Chesterfield scored the goal that kept them up and sent us down Frown We've a thing for last game of the season relegation, or missing out on promotion! It's called Grimsby for a reason these days!



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Maidenhead United won promotion and first reached a playoff place after their penultimate game of the 2006/07 season. After the first weekend in March they were 17th in the table.



Sorry Tivvy_Al but I'm afraid that's not entirely accurate. After we lost 1-0 away to Corby Town on January 17th, we were 18th in the table. When we won 1-0 at Ladysmead on March 3rd, we moved up to 13th place.


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Slightly outside scope since before the days of the play-offs, but...

In 1976-77, Palace got promoted from the old Third Division, entering the third and final promotion position for the first time in the season in their final match. Furthermore, they needed to win this match, and were only drawing with three minutes left!

Their late run was quite impressive, they won their last ten of their last fifteen matches, including all of the last four. Crucially, two of those last four were against Wrexham, who had been looking "certain" of promotion.

When Palace started their final run of four straight wins, they were 5 points behind Wrexham (only 2 points for a win in those days) and Wrexham's goal difference was 10 better. Wrexham had an extra match, so only needed 3 points from 5 games if they could hang on to their goal difference advantage.

Crucially, the clubs had to meet twice, with Palace's final game being at the Racecourse Ground. Going into this game, Wrexham still had a 1 point lead, their goal difference was 1 better, and they had scored more goals. Wrexham therefore only needed a draw to clinch promotion with a game to spare, Palace needed a win to move above them, and a 2-goal win to make Wrexham need a win rather than a draw on the last day of the season.

Palace's scheduled final-game day had been brought forward and already played, due to it being at the County Ground, Northampton, which was required for cricket in May.

The final (for Palace, penultimate for Wrexham) match ebbed and flowed. Palace took the 2-goal lead they needed early, Wrexham pulled it back to 2-2. The home end were singing promotion songs until Palace scored again with 3 minutes left. And then again for 4-2!

The fourth goal was crucial as it meant that Palace then had a better goal difference as well as a point lead. Wrexham had one last match, at home, and without that fourth goal, would only have needed a draw. They very nearly got the draw, but chasing the game for the vital win, conceded late and lost 1-0.

This story is fairly well known to older fans of both teams, although Wrexham fans have probably tried to forget it. The other factor which is often overlooked is that Rotherham could also have overtaken Palace on the final day, had they won by 6 goals at Port Vale. Unlikely, but at one time they were 4-0 up, before Port Vale pulled it back to 4-1, which was how it finished. So Wrexham only finished fifth!

Wrexham's disappointment was short-lived, as they won the Third Division in 1977-78, although sadly that visit to the second tier was a high watermark in their recent history. Palace, meanwhile, have not sunk to the third tier since, although they have been close a couple of times (needing another goal 3 minutes from time to stay up in 2001).


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Slightly outside scope since before the days of the play-offs, but...

In 1976-77, Palace got promoted from the old Third Division, entering the third and final promotion position for the first time in the season in their final match. Furthermore, they needed to win this match, and were only drawing with three minutes left!

Their late run was quite impressive, they won their last ten of their last fifteen matches, including all of the last four. Crucially, two of those last four were against Wrexham, who had been looking "certain" of promotion.

When Palace started their final run of four straight wins, they were 5 points behind Wrexham (only 2 points for a win in those days) and Wrexham's goal difference was 10 better. Wrexham had an extra match, so only needed 3 points from 5 games if they could hang on to their goal difference advantage.

Crucially, the clubs had to meet twice, with Palace's final game being at the Racecourse Ground. Going into this game, Wrexham still had a 1 point lead, their goal difference was 1 better, and they had scored more goals. Wrexham therefore only needed a draw to clinch promotion with a game to spare, Palace needed a win to move above them, and a 2-goal win to make Wrexham need a win rather than a draw on the last day of the season.

Palace's scheduled final-game day had been brought forward and already played, due to it being at the County Ground, Northampton, which was required for cricket in May.

The final (for Palace, penultimate for Wrexham) match ebbed and flowed. Palace took the 2-goal lead they needed early, Wrexham pulled it back to 2-2. The home end were singing promotion songs until Palace scored again with 3 minutes left. And then again for 4-2!

The fourth goal was crucial as it meant that Palace then had a better goal difference as well as a point lead. Wrexham had one last match, at home, and without that fourth goal, would only have needed a draw. They very nearly got the draw, but chasing the game for the vital win, conceded late and lost 1-0.

This story is fairly well known to older fans of both teams, although Wrexham fans have probably tried to forget it. The other factor which is often overlooked is that Rotherham could also have overtaken Palace on the final day, had they won by 6 goals at Port Vale. Unlikely, but at one time they were 4-0 up, before Port Vale pulled it back to 4-1, which was how it finished. So Wrexham only finished fifth!

Wrexham's disappointment was short-lived, as they won the Third Division in 1977-78, although sadly that visit to the second tier was a high watermark in their recent history. Palace, meanwhile, have not sunk to the third tier since, although they have been close a couple of times (needing another goal 3 minutes from time to stay up in 2001).


I remember that title race very well as Wrexham lost that last home game of the season to Mansfield Town. The Stags won the game, with myself being in the crowd of 3500 travelling supporters, with a last minute goal scored by Ernie Moss and became champions of the third division.

http://www.stagsnet.net/...reports/wrexham.html


The following season was their only ever season in the second tier of the FL.


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York's relegation season to the Conference 2003-4, they were chasing a play-off place on New Years Day, only to finish bottom of the league after a disastrous run of results.

My team Birmingham City were about 15th after a loss against Crystal Palace a few days before Christmas 2011......finished 4th and lost the play-off semi to Blackpool.

 
 


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