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Gareth started it - Mary Nightingale and Jennifer Agutter (spelling?) for me - as an aside we were asked at 13/14 yrs old to bring something in at the end of term - I brought in 'Walkabout' which my English teacher thought was a good shout and aired - never been so popular

Football is sort of over bar the machinations of the FA - So bugbears, rants and AOB

I'll start

The capacity of women to occupy an isle in a supermarket - one is bad enough, I can suck in my chest and circumnavigate one but two! it's a blockade. As a fairly gentlemanly bloke I wait 'til they've finished slagging of a,b and c. and then apologise to them!
Then at the checkout it's 'oh that's my lippy I lost, oh that's an out of date token and oh...' etc all bar finding your purse and paying the bugger and letting me get on with my life.

and.. OAP's in the reduced section - infirmed? not when it comes a bargain - thought I was hard 'til I mixed with them.

and grammar and spelling Sly

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What winds me up most about women in supermarkets is the fact that when two of them are chatting they become oblivious to the fact that they're blocking up the whole aisle! If they want to chat why the hell can't they take their trolleys out of the aisle so that the rest of us can get on with the awful job of shopping?

I saw an incident in Tesco's the other day. Some silly bint had let her little boy hang on the outside of her trolley as she pushed it. The lad slipped off and promptly got hit by a trolley being pushed by a woman coming in the opposite direction. The bint then had the temerity to blame the other woman for her lad being whacked! An argument ensued which I walked away from.

Just to show it's not just women who seem to lack brains sometimes, why is it that as soon as blokes get behind the wheel of a van they turn into mindless idiots? They tear down the road endangering all in their path, they rarely indicate, they leave the drivers side door open and/or stand in the road on the drivers side blocking the road for other drivers and their general demeanour makes Joey Barton look like a lightweight. I realise they have a job to do but that doesn't give them the right to impose that problem onto others, particularly when they put other people's lives in danger.

Cyclists. We are not telepathic. Drivers don't know which way you're turning unless you use hand signals. (I am a cyclist and a driver by the way so this is not a general bias by a driver against cyclists.)

People on horses. If a dog owner fails to clear up the mess his pet leave behind he gets a fine. Why does this not apply to people who ride horses? There are stables in Little Clacton and the road and pavement are routinely strewn with horse excrement. What'smore, they often ride side by side rather than in single file creating long tailbacks. If they can't use the road properly they shouldn't be allowed on it.

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pretty much reading off the same page UKPunk.
Could n't have put better with women in supermarkets - did n't even get into using kids / prams etc as weapons. I think the absolute worst thing is though, that I go at times to avoid these problems, but still Murphy's Law applies, so I give my wife her cream cakes etc, mention I got a tad wound up and get both barrels! for being a miserable git! fair point maybe, but not the point at all.

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Why hasn't someone in the supermarket industry managed to adapt the Post Office Counter's "Check Out No.1 Please" system???

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pretty much reading off the same page UKPunk.
Could n't have put better with women in supermarkets - did n't even get into using kids / prams etc as weapons. I think the absolute worst thing is though, that I go at times to avoid these problems, but still Murphy's Law applies, so I give my wife her cream cakes etc, mention I got a tad wound up and get both barrels! for being a miserable git! fair point maybe, but not the point at all.

Mrs UKPunk hates coming shopping with me. Not least because if someone is being a complete w*nker I've been known to tell them so in a sarcastic manner which she finds embarrassing. It's not only the customers that cop it either. We were in Morrisons one evening (I use to work in the store when it was a Safeway before the takeover) and three managers were facing up the same aisle.

She was a few yards away from me so I called out, "Nothing changes. You still see three managers facing the same aisle. If three workers did that they'd get a bollocking and be told to do an aisle each."

Granted I was being mischievous on that occasion but it still wasn't appreciated by her. Cool

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Why hasn't someone in the supermarket industry managed to adapt the Post Office Counter's "Check Out No.1 Please" system???

Because a women with a weeks worth of shopping will jump in front with an item or two?

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Cyclists. We are not telepathic. Drivers don't know which way you're turning unless you use hand signals. (I am a cyclist and a driver by the way so this is not a general bias by a driver against cyclists.)

Driver v. cyclist arguments on radio phone-ins.

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If a dog owner fails to clear up the mess his pet leave behind he gets a fine.

Dog v. cat arguments on radio phone-ins.

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People on horses. If a dog owner fails to clear up the mess his pet leave behind he gets a fine. Why does this not apply to people who ride horses?

I have seen horses fitted with fallout bags. Seriously.

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People on horses. If a dog owner fails to clear up the mess his pet leave behind he gets a fine. Why does this not apply to people who ride horses?

I have seen horses fitted with fallout bags. Seriously.

It's good stuff. Helps your roses grow. Why let it go to waste? My old man used to buy it at ten bob a sack. I don't know how much it is now. Free if it's left on the road I suppose.

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I have seen horses fitted with fallout bags. Seriously.

In my opinion it should be compulsory.

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People on horses. If a dog owner fails to clear up the mess his pet leave behind he gets a fine. Why does this not apply to people who ride horses?

I have seen horses fitted with fallout bags. Seriously.

It's good stuff. Helps your roses grow. Why let it go to waste? My old man used to buy it at ten bob a sack. I don't know how much it is now. Free if it's left on the road I suppose.

It may well be. But I'm not a gardener so to me it's at best a nuisance and at worst a health hazard and these horsey types should clear up after their animals in the same way that dog owners have to.

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Why hasn't someone in the supermarket industry managed to adapt the Post Office Counter's "Check Out No.1 Please" system???

A supermarket chain over here, Trader Joes, does something like that but using two parallel queues instead of one, and an employee at the front marshals the person at the front of each queue in turn to the next available checkout. The problem is that, at busy times, the queues can literally snake around most of the aisles and right back to the entrance, making the actual shopping a bit of a pain. But they do move pretty quickly and I've never been delayed any longer than by, say, a couple of people in front of me at Tescos with full trolleyloads. And it definitely does remove the risk of getting stuck just behind a purse-faffer or broken till etc etc.

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Self-checkouts at supermarkets is my main current gripe. The classic new introduction that the supermarkets purport to be a big benefit to the consumer but is actually a big cost and time benefit to them.

I must say I find it way longer than queuing up for a real person to serve me, or it seems that way anyhow. You scan a few items and then it barks at you for removing an item, or putting an unauthorized item in the bagging area?

In any case I have a 7-day subscription for The Times/The Sunday Times so the self-checkouts require staff input for the value of the token, so it's a waste of time using them. It is quite funny seeing people rushing past me in the queue for the proper tills to the self checkout and then getting irate with all the holdups.

Anyone else find self-checkouts not much (if anything) of a time-saver?

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If I am buying just a few things that have barcodes I will use them. I do find a number of papers won't scan or they don't in Asda at Wheatley. Think they should be restricted to 10 items or less. Once saw a bloke and his daughter scanning a whole trolley load at Tesco in Abingdon, they had some loose fresh fruit and veg and wondered why they did not have a barcode. They just sort of ignored the items and waved them in the genaral direction of the scanner, the guard on the door did not think much to their actions.

B&Q at Cowley only has self-service before 10am in the morning, that causes no end of problems.

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Anyone else find self-checkouts not much (if anything) of a time-saver?

I generally avoid them as in my experience there's always a problem of one kind or another and by the time a member of staff comes to sort it out I could have been through a till with a real person serving me.

The prevalence of self checkouts will increase because it means the companies will have to employ fewer people. I can see a time when there will be maybe two or three proper tills with the remaining 15 -20 tills being of the self service type.

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The whole idea in the beginning with self scan tills was to provide the convenience of getting through the tills quicker. My store was a trial for them about ten years ago, and was the first store in Sheffield (of any kind) to get them installed, so I was privy to the launch at our concept centre.

Before we launched them, my store had seven tills and not enough staff to man them. Thus we had queues, and with queues come complaints. The sad fact is there is only a finite amount of money given over to wages (a percentage of takings) and if we didn't go in the direction of self scan tills we would have been another high street closure. What it means instead is I have four self scans, four normal tills and one service desk.

The corporate bumph that goes with the territory is that there is nothing wrong with self service tills - only the people that use them. They separate the customers into three types: those who can use them confidently, those who flatly refuse and those who just don't get it. It is the latter which most fall into, although they won't admit it. By rights and attendant should only need to assist if there is a security tag or age approval is needed.

By and large they are a time saver for those in the first category, the rest just get frustrated. I think (might be wrong) that as far as we are concerned there should always be more manned tills than self serve, it's just impossible to be able to man them all the time. It does mean fewer people need to be employed in that area, but it also ensures places like mine don't get the chop.

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I read yesterday that after a survey by Which? in which stores such as TESCO came out really badly there is a rethink on this. (in that TESCO are taking on 8000 more staff - but that's probably just 1 per store on a PT basis)
The biggest complaint was the self serve tills - they simply don't work very well unless your buying a few simple items. I am a luddite though, but if you are unpacking stuff and take more than a nano second to scan another item you have 'an unexpected item in the bagging area'
From needing approval to buy lots of items - to in one case I had - trying to use a voucher which when I put it in the slot did n't register and eventually a member of staff coming over and saying - 'yeh does that, you need to blow on it' - which she promptly and expertly did!

I often shop late at night and their is normally no alternative but the self serve - and guess what - I spend less and get the rest from Costcutters. The place overnight is a mess and a trip hazard even for someone like me who hates overbearing H&S.
Then if you go during the day some shelves are empty - especially owt on offer because they don't have the staff to replace it.
As someone who worked in a supermarket for many years standards have really dropped - corporately - got to say what staff there are at my local TESCO's are first rate though.

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Don't get me started on self service tills! Very rarely use them, & when I am tempted to use them because it's a few minutes to the game, I end up shouting at them, because they are so stupid!

Richoard Wilson, the actor who plays Victoe Meldrew, did a documentary than included them, on the box a few months ago, & his reasearch showed they didn't actually save time, & often took longer than staffed checkouts.

I dread to think what the late, great comedian Dave Allen would have made of them...

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Didn't he get caught with a finger in the till?

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I read yesterday that after a survey by Which? in which stores such as TESCO came out really badly there is a rethink on this. (in that TESCO are taking on 8000 more staff - but that's probably just 1 per store on a PT basis)
The biggest complaint was the self serve tills - they simply don't work very well unless your buying a few simple items. I am a luddite though, but if you are unpacking stuff and take more than a nano second to scan another item you have 'an unexpected item in the bagging area'
From needing approval to buy lots of items - to in one case I had - trying to use a voucher which when I put it in the slot did n't register and eventually a member of staff coming over and saying - 'yeh does that, you need to blow on it' - which she promptly and expertly did!

I often shop late at night and their is normally no alternative but the self serve - and guess what - I spend less and get the rest from Costcutters. The place overnight is a mess and a trip hazard even for someone like me who hates overbearing H&S.
Then if you go during the day some shelves are empty - especially owt on offer because they don't have the staff to replace it.
As someone who worked in a supermarket for many years standards have really dropped - corporately - got to say what staff there are at my local TESCO's are first rate though.

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I won't say I'll never go back into retail because in these harsh times needs must, but I sincerely hope that day never comes.

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The Sainsburys I use is a big one and has got all sorts going on.
I won't use the self-service tills. I'm not scared of them but my thoughts are that I'm doing Sainsbury's job for them by using them. They're very popular with other punters though, so much so that there's nearly always a member of staff there flitting between them sorting out alcohol and unexpected items in the baggage area.
They also have this scan your own stuff as you go around malarky, walk through the dedicated till and see if you get chosen to be checked. A bit like customs really. This really is quicker as you're usually straight through but it doesn't seem to be very popular with the shoppers. Doesn't make sense to me why someone will do their own checkout but not their own scanning as they go around. Again, I feel it's doing half their job for them. I've got a mate who's covered from wrists to shoulders in tattoos, many offensive, various bits pierced and usually very short hair. He seems to get checked quite a lot when he self-scans!
I just like to patiently wait in the queue for the person in front who suddenly realises that they have to pay for all the stuff they've bought, fish out their credit card, oh, and then there are reams of coupons to check, some of which aren't valid as the bonus Nectar points are for buying two 2 litre Lenors, not the 1.5 litre so the person decides if they actually want what they've bought or can one be taken off the bill etc. etc.
The ladies who work the tills when I go are all lovely and seem genuinely happy in their jobs so all's good.

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The ladies who work the tills when I go are all lovely and seem genuinely happy in their jobs so all's good.

It's part of the training. Smile at the customer. Give them a cheery good morning/afternoon etc. In my experience very few are happy, they're just paid to look happy.

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Funny while catching up on this thread the postman came, one bit of post �19 worth of vouchers for Tesco.

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Hummph. Likewise. But all I got was a �1.50 voucher + 100 points for August. lol

Back to Supermarkets themselves, when I shop in Edinburgh itself there's plenty of people I see using the self-service & walk-throughs. Back home in 'toun, not very many at all. I'm thinking that the incidence of usage might be related somehow to the size of the local population. Maybe too, something to do with the difference in rates of cultural advance between cities and towns? Presumably uptake on new-fangled ideas is speedier in cities than in the hinterlands. Also, may have something to do with differences in the spread of age groups in different areas.

Anyway. I don't use them myself - frightened of them in all truth. lol.

There IS one thing that bugs me though and that's trolley-chaining.

I don't tend to carry cash money around with me at all. Everything I buy is on debit card. So, when it comes to needing a trolley, I've never got a �1 coin to release the bloody thing. REALLY annoying. A real bugbear for me.

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The ladies who work the tills when I go are all lovely and seem genuinely happy in their jobs so all's good.

It's part of the training. Smile at the customer. Give them a cheery good morning/afternoon etc. In my experience very few are happy, they're just paid to look happy.

How cynical.... I know you're probably right but one of them's a mate's wife and she really is happy in her work. Lucky beggar cos I hate having to deal with the public as part of my job. They wind me up.
It might be the time I go, after 7pm on a Monday when it's quite quiet, but I often see them having a laugh.

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About five years ago, during an enforced sabbatical, a friend got me
a five-week stint at a local supermarket - back in the day when you
didn't need to be under 20 or of a certain ethnic persuasion to get a
job there - it is true, before you jump down my throat, but they of
course will never admit to it.

Anyway, I really enjoyed it, especially at the interview thingy when I said
I was of a certain faith which precluded me from working weekends...so
they swallowed that and I did Monday to Friday nights from 11pm to 7am,
20 minute walk from home....money was crap but I was a 'bleach boy' in aisle 21.

They offered me a full-time stint at the end but had other fish to fry by then
but it was a decent experience as it happens...

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