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rainjar
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I did an analysis of clubs against population base 4 years ago.I used 4 different bases for population.

I've just looked at a listing of settlements (cities or towns?) in England and Wales by population (leaving out cities/towns in Scotland and Northern Ireland), limited to those with a population of 100,000 or more:

Rank Urban sub-area Population (2001 census)
1 London 7,172,091
2 Birmingham 970,892
3 Liverpool 469,017
4 Leeds 443,247
5 Sheffield 439,866
6 Bristol 420,556
7 Manchester 394,269
8 Leicester 330,574
9 Coventry 303,475
10 Kingston upon Hull 301,416
11 Bradford 293,717
12 Cardiff 292,150
13 Stoke-on-Trent 259,252
14 Wolverhampton 251,462
15 Nottingham 249,584
16 Plymouth 243,795
17 Southampton 234,224
18 Reading 232,662
19 Derby 229,407
20 Dudley 194,619
21 Newcastle upon Tyne 189,863
22 Northampton 189,474
23 Portsmouth 187,056
24 Luton 185,543
25 Preston 184,836
26 Milton Keynes 184,506 †
27 Sunderland 177,739
28 Norwich 174,047
29 Walsall 170,994
30 Swansea 169,880
31 Bournemouth 167,527
32 Southend-on-Sea 160,257
33 Swindon 155,432
34 Huddersfield 146,234
35 Poole 144,800
36 Oxford 143,016
37 Middlesbrough 142,691
38 Blackpool 142,283
39 Bolton 139,403
40 Ipswich 138,718
41 Telford 138,241 †
42 York 137,505
43 West Bromwich 136,940
44 Peterborough 136,292
45 Stockport 136,082
46 Brighton 134,293
47 Slough 126,276
48 Gloucester 123,205
49 Watford 120,960
50 Rotherham 117,262
51 Newport 116,143
52 Cambridge 113,442 ††
53 Exeter 106,772
54 Eastbourne 106,562
55 Sutton Coldfield 105,452
56 Blackburn 105,085
57 Colchester 104,390
58 Oldham 103,544
59 St Helens 102,629
60 Woking 101,127
61 Crawley 100,547

* Several of the top 10 have not sustained a club in the top flight.
* Several of the top 20 have not sustained a club in the top two tiers.
* Several of list have not sustained a club in the top four tiers.

Compare that with Germany. As the population of Germany is about 1.47 times that of England and Wales, I'm just used the top 61, instead of using the benchmark of 100,000:

Rank City Population 2010
1 Berlin 3460725
2 Hamburg 1786448
3 Munich / München 1353186
4 Cologne / Köln 1007119
5 Frankfurt am Main 679664
6 Stuttgart 606588
7 Düsseldorf 588735
8 Dortmund 580444
9 Essen 574635
10 Bremen 547340
11 Dresden 523058
12 Leipzig 522883
13 Hanover / Hannover 522686
14 Nuremberg / Nürnberg 505664
15 Duisburg 489599
16 Bochum 374737
17 Wuppertal 349721
18 Bonn 324899
19 Bielefeld 323270
20 Mannheim 313174
21 Karlsruhe 294761
22 Münster 279803
23 Wiesbaden 275976
24 Augsburg 264708
25 Aachen 258664
26 Mönchengladbach 257993
27 Gelsenkirchen 257981
28 Brunswick / Braunschweig 248867
29 Chemnitz 243248
30 Kiel 239526
31 Krefeld 235076
32 Halle 232963
33 Magdeburg 231549
34 Freiburg 224191
35 Oberhausen 212945
36 Lübeck 210232
37 Erfurt 204994
38 Rostock 202735
39 Mainz 199237
40 Kassel 195530
41 Hagen 188529
42 Hamm 181783
43 Saarbrücken 175741
44 Mülheim 167344
45 Herne 164762
46 Ludwigshafen 164177
47 Osnabrück 164119
48 Oldenburg 162173
49 Leverkusen 160772
50 Solingen 159927
51 Potsdam 156906
52 Neuss 151388
53 Heidelberg 147312
54 Paderborn 146283
55 Darmstadt 144402
56 Regensburg 135520
57 Würzburg 133799
58 Ingolstadt 125088
59 Heilbronn 122879
60 Ulm 122801
61 Wolfsburg 121451

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Mishi
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May 1, 2012, 1:03 PM

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Good luck to people who are interested in this, but I do feel that some people have a tad too much time on their hands! ;-)

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A list of Urban areas or economic travel to work area populations would be more interesting. City and Town boundaries vary greatly between actual towns and cities and those that have become unitary authorities - ie Welcome to Swindon, Peterborough, Northampton, (City of) Newport, etc signs are in open countryside, where as other places don't actually start until you have driven through 3 or 4 miles of built up area of adjoining towns and villages..

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Very exciting.

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Interesting work well done!

Think we all knew Dudley was largest town without a Football League club but then they have numerous in surrounding area mainley West Brom, Walsall and Wolverhampton they also have Halesowen and Stourbridge in non league.

Poole is interesting as recently been succesful and looking to get promoted to Step 2 via play-offs another sport doing well in the area is Speedway and this is the same for another Town on the list Eastbourne.

Telford have always been a big name in non-league but never played in Football League due to the election process at time.

Slough have been in the Conference but since losing ground have found themselves at Step 4.

2 Cities who have played in Conference are Exeter and York.

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Rank Urban sub-area Population (2001 census)
1 London 7,172,091
2 Birmingham 970,892
3 Liverpool 469,017
4 Leeds 443,247
5 Sheffield 439,866
6 Bristol 420,556
7 Manchester 394,269
8 Leicester 330,574
9 Coventry 303,475
10 Kingston upon Hull 301,416
11 Bradford 293,717
12 Cardiff 292,150
13 Stoke-on-Trent 259,252
14 Wolverhampton 251,462
15 Nottingham 249,584
16 Plymouth 243,795
17 Southampton 234,224
18 Reading 232,662
19 Derby 229,407
20 Dudley 194,619

* Several of the top 10 have not sustained a club in the top flight.
* Several of the top 20 have not sustained a club in the top two tiers.

Which of the top 10?

"Several of the top 20" - I can only see Dudley?

rainjar
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A list of Urban areas or economic travel to work area populations would be more interesting. ...

That's covered by the stuff I did 4 years ago. Looking at cities is a lot simpler, with, for the most part, only one or two professional clubs in each.

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Which of the top 10?

"Several of the top 20" - I can only see Dudley?

"sustained". Or perhaps you prefer "maintained".

Of the top 10, Leeds, Sheffield, Bristol, Leicester, Coventry and Kingston upon Hull currently don't have a club in the top flight, and at least a couple of those have not had even had a sustained period in the top flight over the past 20 years.

Of the top 20, Bradford, Plymouth and Dudley currently don't have a club at the top two levels - to be joined by Coventry.

Of the whole list, Dudley, Luton, Poole, Telford, York, Stockport, Slough, Gloucester, Eastbourne, Sutton Coldfield, St Helens and Woking currently don't have a club at the top four levels.

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Rank City Population 2010
1 Berlin 3460725

And of course Berlin will have no team in the Bundesliga next season.

As an aside, only 4 European capital cities have produced European Cup/Champions' League winners.

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Rank City Population 2010
1 Berlin 3460725

And of course Berlin will have no team in the Bundesliga next season.

Hertha aren't completely gone yet. They get a last chance in the play off against Fortuna Düsseldorf. Two games which I suppose could well draw a combined attendance of over 100,000.

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Rank City Population 2010
1 Berlin 3460725

And of course Berlin will have no team in the Bundesliga next season.

Hertha aren't completely gone yet. They get a last chance in the play off against Fortuna Düsseldorf. Two games which I suppose could well draw a combined attendance of over 100,000.

Doh!

I was in Berlin only yesterday and spent several days working through the magnificent Berlin "Fussball-Woche", and I still got it wrong.

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As an aside, only 4 European capital cities have produced European Cup/Champions' League winners.

Are you classing 's-Gravenhage as the Capital of the Netherlands?

Real Madrid.
Benfica.
Ajax.
Steau.
Red Star.

+ also a case for Barca.

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Are you classing 's-Gravenhage as the Capital of the Netherlands?

Yes.

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I don't.

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I don't.

And neither do the Dutch. Although Den Haag is the "Seat of Government" of the Netherlands, Amsterdam is the Constitutional Capital of the country. Are we now telling the Dutch how to define their capital city? A cursory search has provided me with this. I'll try for a more thorough explanation in the morning.

Northwood, Threave Rovers, Arsenal, Watford, Rochdale, Rangers (the real ones, NOT qpr), queen of the south and a few others.

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Rank City Population 2010
1 Berlin 3460725

And of course Berlin will have no team in the Bundesliga next season.

Hertha aren't completely gone yet. They get a last chance in the play off against Fortuna Düsseldorf. Two games which I suppose could well draw a combined attendance of over 100,000.

They are now.

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