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Speaking to someone today about the situation with the Sussex League and was told if Dorking Wanderers have not got their Lights up by March they will be relegated back to Division 3. Apparantly other clubs like Rustington are not under threat because they went up before the grades were brought in. Be interesting to see how long that lasts.
Elsewhere current West Sussex League leaders Sidlesham have initially passed a Ground Grading to return to the Sussex County League next season with just some minor work to undertake. The lights will have to be upgraded should they wish to enter the FA Vase next season. Work is estimated at about £5000.



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I'm pretty sure that Dorking Wanderes were made aware of the situation when they were promoted.



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If Rustington, and any other clubs, haven't got their ground up to the appropriate standard they will be under the same threat of relegation as Dorking Wanderers are without their lights. Absolutely nothing to do with having gone up "before the Gradings came in". Are the Sussex League not currently under orders to relegate Grading Failures before clubs in the actual relegation places?



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The first question must be is it Compulsory to have lights at step 6 ? A number of teams at Step 6 do not have lights yet. The Sussex County League has to relegate any teams from Division 1 that does not have the correct ground grading as long as the teams to be promoted from Division 2 have the right grading. It is was mentioned last year that teams in SCFL Div 2 without lights were all going to be relegated at the end of last season and replaced by the Division 3 teams with lights but that did not happen. I am aware that certain teams in the SCFL are not happy with Dorking due to the fact that they are supposed to be trying to 'buy success' not sure how accurate this is though.


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The first question must be is it Compulsory to have lights at step 6 ? A number of teams at Step 6 do not have lights yet. The Sussex County League has to relegate any teams from Division 1 that does not have the correct ground grading as long as the teams to be promoted from Division 2 have the right grading. It is was mentioned last year that teams in SCFL Div 2 without lights were all going to be relegated at the end of last season and replaced by the Division 3 teams with lights but that did not happen. I am aware that certain teams in the SCFL are not happy with Dorking due to the fact that they are supposed to be trying to 'buy success' not sure how accurate this is though.
From Grade G (Step 6) "1.12 Floodlighting
Floodlights must be provided to an average lux reading of at least 120."



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I think there are 5 or 6 teams in SCFL Div 2 without lights at the moment and only 4 in SCFL Div 3 with lights. Newhaven and Saltdean are 2nd and 3rd at the moment, Pease Pottage are top and do not have lights. So not sure if Dorking would be automatically relegated at the end of the season.


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I think there are 5 or 6 teams in SCFL Div 2 without lights at the moment and only 4 in SCFL Div 3 with lights. Newhaven and Saltdean are 2nd and 3rd at the moment, Pease Pottage are top and do not have lights. So not sure if Dorking would be automatically relegated at the end of the season.
It will be interesting to see if the review of Step 6 addresses this issue.

I think we should all accept that some clubs will not and cannot scale the heights either because they cannot afford or cannot get permission for floodlights.

I cannot see any major relaxation as this would lead to a massive imbalance between Steps 6 and 5.



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The first question must be is it Compulsory to have lights at step 6 ?
 In the North yes, but in the South East (Kent, Sussex, Hellenic & Combined Counties) apparently not.


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Assuming there's at least one club eligible for promotion which finishes high enough up the lower division (i.e. either meeting the grading or willing to promise to meet a deadline for the work), then clubs at step 6 who don't meet the grading should be relegated. That applies to all leagues, north and south. However unless the FA's position has changed drastically, not ALL clubs who don't meet the grade will be relegated, only enough to fill up the relegation places.

As I understand it, if one or more clubs are to be relegated for ground grading, then a promoted club which hadn't met the deadline to upgrade their facilities would be relegated first, even if they were no the lowest placed club who didn't have the grading.



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As I understand it, if one or more clubs are to be relegated for ground grading, then a promoted club which hadn't met the deadline to upgrade their facilities would be relegated first, even if they were no the lowest placed club who didn't have the grading.
That's my understanding as well. In the CCL, Farnham have until March 31st this year to get an 'F'. They haven't got much to do but, if they don't do it, I think they're going down before anyone else is considered. All the other teams in the division already have an 'F' or higher according to the league.
In CCL1 the FA have given clubs until 31st March 2013 to get a 'G' before they face relegation. I don't know if they'll be relegated en masse after that or whether they'll only go down if the division is full and there are teams coming up to replace them.
The Kent Invicta League has four more years to get its clubs up to the required standard I believe.


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As I understand it, if one or more clubs are to be relegated for ground grading, then a promoted club which hadn't met the deadline to upgrade their facilities would be relegated first, even if they were no the lowest placed club who didn't have the grading.
That's my understanding as well. In the CCL, Farnham have until March 31st this year to get an 'F'. They haven't got much to do but, if they don't do it, I think they're going down before anyone else is considered. All the other teams in the division already have an 'F' or higher according to the league.
In CCL1 the FA have given clubs until 31st March 2013 to get a 'G' before they face relegation. I don't know if they'll be relegated en masse after that or whether they'll only go down if the division is full and there are teams coming up to replace them.
The Kent Invicta League has four more years to get its clubs up to the required standard I believe.
There could be some different rules for step 6-7, I guess. I understood for step 5-6, the lowest 2 unqualified teams (irrespective of when they got to that level) to be relegated, irrespective of position, and only the bottom teams after that - the latter being up to the league in question and perhaps subject to suitable applicants, whilst the former is not dependent on lower step promotion. It wouldn't make any sense to me to excuse a step 6 from grading requirements because a newer promoted side hasn't done the work either...

Mind you, common sense and grading requirements are rarely mentioned togetherCrazy



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How does the usual one season 'period of grace' for promoted teams to get their gradings sorted (surely allowed to qualify them for better grants at the higher level?) affect this ruling?

I'd call it that a technically grading deficient team can be promoted to step 6 to replace another grading failure quite fairly, because they are not in an equivalent position vis a vis these rules.



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The first question must be is it Compulsory to have lights at step 6 ?
 In the North yes, but in the South East (Kent, Sussex, Hellenic & Combined Counties) apparently not.
The Kent Invicta League clubs must have floodlights by 31st March 2015.



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They relegate a non-floodlit club and replace them (if necessary) with a new non-floodlit club who then get the chance to do the work. And so on.



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The point is that all gradings (except Grade E) can be achieved in the year following promotion provided they are complete by 31st March.

If you are in a league then your period of grace has expired. If relegated and then promoted, you will have the 8 months grace period like any other promoted club.



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Dorking Wanderers have just tweeted to say they've been granted planning permission for floodlights.


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Just wonder if they will seek a transfer across to Combined Counties Division One now? A Surrey based club should be competing in that league after all.



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They should not be promoted if their lights are not up by 31st March.


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The lights are going up now.

Some photos:-

11th March - https://twitter.com/...254538121216/photo/1

16th March - https://twitter.com/...255340310528/photo/1

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Regarding switching to the CCL - as far as I'm aware Wanderers are perfectly happy in the Sussex League. They may not have the choice in a couple of years if the FA's plans go through though.


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The lights are up.




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I hope they now claim that third promotion spot.



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An intriguing post from someone at Wanderers on the Combined Counties forum - it suggests they've applied to move across to the CCL which should see them go straight into the Premier Division if the move's allowed by the FA. They only need one more point to be guaranteed a promotion spot from Sussex 2.

The post began - "We (Dorking Wanderers) used to apologize for hi-jacking your forum but i have a feeling we wont need to for much longer ;)"

http://www.nonleague.co.uk/...1806336#entry1806336


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Or perhaps they are anticipating the proposed re-organisation of the Step 5 Leagues?



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Or perhaps they are anticipating the proposed re-organisation of the Step 5 Leagues?
Perhaps.
Wanderers are in favour of the re-organisation despite the propaganda emanating from the Sussex League saying everyone's against it.


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Or perhaps they are anticipating the proposed re-organisation of the Step 5 Leagues?
Perhaps.
Wanderers are in favour of the re-organisation despite the propaganda emanating from the Sussex League saying everyone's against it.
My guess is that the "everybody" are the present Division 1 clubs. From a geographical point of view, Wanderers have everything to gain from the new set up and also as a relative newcomer to the Sussex County League would not have the same "emotional" bond towards the League.

As a true Sussex person would say: They be voreigners".



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