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PaulC
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I have every sympathy with you. NWC already covers too large an area and the plan is to extend it. Crazy. Staffordshire clubs should be playing in the MidAll in the present set up.


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There was always going to be this consequence by reducing the number of Leagues in the South and trying to fit the same number of clubs into the pot. As I (jokingly??) said on another thread the problem is not the number of leagues but the number of clubs in the South.



There 'Ant no place like Sussex, until you goes above, 'Cause Sussex will be Sussex and Sussex wunt be druv.

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The crazy thing is they are getting rid of one southern league and one NORTHERN league. Madness


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There was always going to be this consequence by reducing the number of Leagues in the South and trying to fit the same number of clubs into the pot. As I (jokingly??) said on another thread the problem is not the number of leagues but the number of clubs in the South.

Actually it is the number of leagues. Essex and Kent are in intensive care and life support respectively and are the base that the Southern bias is built upon.



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Is the UCL a northern league or a southern league as its footprint straddles the Severn -Wash line which most people on here seem to regard as the north/south divide. Or are you going by my signature?



There 'Ant no place like Sussex, until you goes above, 'Cause Sussex will be Sussex and Sussex wunt be druv.

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Using the southern boundaries of the East and West Midlands economic zones as the N/S boundary I reckon there are 17 northern and 4 southern in the UCL Premier - the 4 being King's Lynn, Kempston, St Ives and Newport Pagnell.


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Actually it is the number of leagues. Essex and Kent are in intensive care and life support respectively and are the base that the Southern bias is built upon.


Rather ironic that they are being "fattened up" at the expense of other leagues.



There 'Ant no place like Sussex, until you goes above, 'Cause Sussex will be Sussex and Sussex wunt be druv.

The North begins at Gatwick.


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Regarding Step 6 - my rough understanding is that they want each of the then 12 Step 5 Divisions to be fed by two step 6 divisions, so 24 in total, but some of those to be created in areas of the country not currently with a step 6 division



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Regarding Step 6 - my rough understanding is that they want each of the then 12 Step 5 Divisions to be fed by two step 6 divisions, so 24 in total, but some of those to be created in areas of the country not currently with a step 6 division


And seemingly without the master ingredient - CLUBS!

24 x 18 (min) clubs.....And where are we going to find 432 Step 6 clubs. (There's only 293 at present). You'd need 140 Step 7 clubs to make the step up to Step 6 (and thats with leagues of 18).

Now is that realistic?


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If you are talking facilities-wise there are probably enough clubs in Steps 7 and below in the Midlands, North and South West who already exceed the sort of standards of many of the clubs in the Kent Invicta or Hellenic 1 for instance, but if you are asking how many of these clubs might want to leave their more localised leagues and commit to upgrading their grounds by Year X, then you are right - there won't be nearly enough clubs from Steps 7 and below.

On the other hand there may be a large influx of clubs voluntarily dropping down to Step 6 (or lower) if the FA proceed with their crazy current proposals for Step 5.


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The way things are going around here you will have plenty of floodlit clubs at step 7 in 2 or 3 years time, don't think many will want to play at step 5 or 6 anymore.

North Berks could almost have a full floodlit top division, has three already.


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The way things are going around here you will have plenty of floodlit clubs at step 7 in 2 or 3 years time, don't think many will want to play at step 5 or 6 anymore. Like?

North Berks could almost have a full floodlit top division, has three already. And 11 without - how is that almost a full floodlit division!



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The way things are going around here you will have plenty of floodlit clubs at step 7 in 2 or 3 years time, don't think many will want to play at step 5 or 6 anymore.

North Berks could almost have a full floodlit top division, has three already.



And they're right.

12 divisions covering the country at the ninth tier of football? Only in England................


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The way things are going around here you will have plenty of floodlit clubs at step 7 in 2 or 3 years time, don't think many will want to play at step 5 or 6 anymore. Like?

North Berks could almost have a full floodlit top division, has three already. And 11 without - how is that almost a full floodlit division!

Many clubs will just shun the reshuffle and go back into local football, 6 or 7 locally have already said they are looking at going into local leagues if the changes come about - comments about said issue are on the Hellenic Chatsite. When going to see local clubs play the main topic of conversation is what we will do if the changes happened, one club told me they would just drop into the North Berks. The North Berks clubs are already beating Hellenic clubs in the B&B Intermediate Cup on a regular basis, and it not a case of the Hellenic clubs not trying the North Berks clubs are just better. They are picking up good players who don't want to travel silly distances to play games in front of 17 spectators. It's the travelling time involved in the proposed reshuffle for the Hellenic League, the distances may not be that long in miles but the it's the time taken. From say the Oxford area to Ascot midweek can take well over two hours, there is no real direct route, the clubs being added are beyond Ascot. Likewise those in the west of the Hellenic area face being put in the Western league and end up with trips to Devon when at present they travel 30 or 40 miles to many games. The re-organisation will be a disaster for most O.F.A. clubs, B&B clubs in Oxfordshire and clubs in north Wilts and north Gloucestershire. It's not just clubs in this area that will be effected, others will Rocester being an example. Will the UCL clubs selected to join the NCE actually move or will they just drop back into step 6 and 7 football.


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[replyEssex and Kent are in intensive care and life support respectively and are the base that the
Southern bias is built upon.


How are the on "intensive care and life support"? They are stable leagues with about the right number of clubs in them. Kent in particular with the new Invicta League at Step 6 will be fine.


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[replyEssex and Kent are in intensive care and life support respectively and are the base that the
Southern bias is built upon.


How are the on "intensive care and life support"? They are stable leagues with about the right number of clubs in them. Kent in particular with the new Invicta League at Step 6 will be fine.



My money is still on 18 leagues of 18 clubs being a success as opposed to 12 leagues of 24 or 25.

Going further to step 6, 36 divisions with 16 clubs with reduced ground gradings would be far more successful than 24 divisions with 20 / 22 clubs.


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There are a large majority of clubs in the UCL who have developed their facilities, spending six figure sums and faced with a massive kick in the teeth from the FA who suggest that there travelling cost increase from 35% of their turnover to an unsustainable 85 % can anyone wonder what planet the idiots are on, or how they can expect Step 5 football can be run in this way, no television money down here guys!

Reality please.


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concur completely.



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There are a large majority of clubs in the UCL who have developed their facilities, spending six figure sums and faced with a massive kick in the teeth from the FA who suggest that there travelling cost increase from 35% of their turnover to an unsustainable 85 % can anyone wonder what planet the idiots are on, or how they can expect Step 5 football can be run in this way, no television money down here guys!

Reality please.


Erm... I don't wish to appear rude or anything but I can't believe those figures. 85% of turnover on travelling? Ilfracombe Town have the prospect of a 5213 mile season. 5 cars at 40p a mile (rough figure) is just under 10500 or a coach at 500 a game is 11500 which I doubt is anywhere near 85% of their turnover. Is there a UCL club facing similar journeys? Or maybe someone's got an exceedingly small turnover.


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Well VP trust me it is true, small club with 70k turnover, you need 6 cars for min 18 people; consider additional time travelling, midweek matches time off full time employment, no one can think of 3/4 hr journey, 3 hours for match, 3/4 journey home. Midweek, or even Saturday you work it out. It is insanity in anyone's mind for this level of football, 2 levels above your park football!


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Well VP trust me it is true, small club with 70k turnover, you need 6 cars for min 18 people; consider additional time travelling, midweek matches time off full time employment, no one can think of 3/4 hr journey, 3 hours for match, 3/4 journey home. Midweek, or even Saturday you work it out. It is insanity in anyone's mind for this level of football, 2 levels above your park football!


Ah - so you're including money for time (ie. wages) in that. Lucky club. We've got a turnover somewhere around 70k and we can't afford to pay wages. In fact we've recently had to cut the expenses we pay players so they're not even getting all their petrol money for the rest of the season. Most step 5 clubs in this area are the same (not sure what you mean by 'your park football') although there are a few lucky ones who can pay wages as well as expenses.


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Park football- step7, once clubs understand how these changes impact the more they realise how unjust for some. We loose our league status, clubs spread far and wide, extending exist league boundaries by 30 odd miles further, 2 clubs with 7 miles in a different league and travel 150 miles in one direction, we go 130 in opposite, so our turnover will fall dramatically too.

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