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FCUtdWill
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Dec 17, 2011, 1:23 AM

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Hey everyone,

This is my first post on here, have been on a while viewing as a guest for many years but not actually signed up to post anything. So apologies if I've posted this in the wrong forum.

I'm doing a project for Football Manager 2012 where I want to make the leagues down to Level 15 in the English football league pyramid. But I am having problems with setting boundaries that are required so clubs don't jump around the leagues in a level.

I've got some boundaries set up for Levels 7-8, but as I know some clubs do move around the leagues due to geographical reasons (as a FC United of Manchester fan I've seen Hednesford move back into the Northern Premier after being in the Southern Premier), what would be good boundaries (on a North, South, East and West basis) to set for these leagues?

Also, I'm having the same problems with Levels 9-10, I still get a few (more than Levels 7-8) who move around the leagues rather than staying in the same division. What would be suitable boundaries (again for North, South, East and West) for these leagues?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated, and apologies for such a long first post.

Thank you in advance.

Mister TwoU
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Dec 17, 2011, 2:52 PM

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Re: [FCUtdWill] Levels 7-10 Boundaries [In reply to]	Can't Post or

I know nothing of this type of game, but...

If you set hard boundaries, you will need to be able to either - (a) run leagues with differing numbers in each division, season by season... or (b) operate 'odd' asymmetric promotion/pairings between successive divisions.

Are you certain that your game can do either/both of these functions?

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FCUtdWill
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Dec 17, 2011, 3:03 PM

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What I'd be doing would include a minimum and maximum number of teams of how many teams are in at the start of the 2011/2012 season, for example the Northern Premier Premier will have 22 set as the minimum and maximum number of teams.

I'm unaware of the ability of the second point though.

It's more of where specific leagues can get teams from with locations on a map. So I don't get teams who play in the Northern league div 1 one season and then the season after they move to the western league prem.

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Dec 17, 2011, 4:22 PM

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Re: [FCUtdWill] Levels 7-10 Boundaries [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

You could use this map as a guide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Levels_9%E2%80%9310_Football_League_areas_in_England.png

However, you may find you'll need to set overlapping boundaries as clubs do move from league to league from tie to time.

Edit: the link won't render properly but if you search for 'Northern Football League' on Wikipedia you'll see it.

If you're looking for a new website for your club, league or any other organisation give me a shout at www.acwebcreations.net.

(This post was edited by cope1 on Dec 17, 2011, 4:24 PM)

FCUtdWill
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:37 PM

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Thank you for the link, it worked fine.

I've seen on Wikipedia that on the leagues pages that it tells you where the teams come from but doesn't say specific places.

Like for example I know the northern league (L9/L10) are for clubs in the north, but where would the south boundary be without overlapping for the North West Counties and Northern East Counties leagues?

cope1
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Re: [FCUtdWill] Levels 7-10 Boundaries [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

It's probably open to debate but to my mind the northern areas are covered thus:

Northern League
Northumberland, Durham, Cumberland, Westmorland, North Riding, West Riding , Lancashire

Northern Counties (East) League
North Riding, West Riding, East Riding, Sheffield & Hallamshire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire

North West Counties League
Lancashire, Manchester, Merseyside, Cheshire, Staffordshire, Shropshire, West Riding

These are all county FAs and clearly there is some overlap. The NCEL counties are not my strong point so you may get some disagreement from others on those but this is roughly how I see it.

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FCUtdWill
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Dec 17, 2011, 5:29 PM

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Thank you for the reply, will look into those and see if I can find the north, south, east and west of those counties.

Or would the better option be to base the boundaries on the current leagues for this season, and then hope that in leagues lower than L10 get promoted into those divisions? Say for example, the winners of either division of the South West Peninsula 1 going into the South West Peninsula Prem rather than the Western League division 1.

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