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Chapeltom
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Anyone know of any sides applying to join either the Manchester League or Cheshire League?

I only know for obvious reasons of..

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Cheshire League. (All allegedly)

Div 1.
Club AZ to East Cheshire.
Northwich Res to NWCL.
Denton and Grappenhall promoted from Div 2.

Div 2.
Monk resigned before being shoved at AGM.
Newcomers Whaley Bridge and Sandbach Town.
This would leave Div 2 with an unsatisfactory 13 teams.
Hopefully some more interest before AGM ?

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Monk resigned before being shoved at AGM

Please tell us more. On the 2 occasions I have had the misfortune to see them play they were the biggest set of moaners you could ever witness

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Is assume that's Sandbach Town from the Crewe league
(In the Crewe League's 2009-10 season Winnington Ave finished below their own reserve side, how often does that happen??)

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Yes Rob, indeed the Crewe & District side. Last season they played at Newall Avenue in Sandbach , the site of the old Sandbach Ramblers side. But rumour (Rivington) has it they played their last game on it recently before it is knocked down and built upon ? Over to you Rivo or indeed Nick ( go on make a post) Will check out in the near future.
As regards to Winnington yes the Ressies finished 17 points clear of the First team ? Indeed the embarrassment/piss taking was that bad they dropped the Reserves for the next season at least in the C&D ?
Line up 2011-2012 (Yes I know Sandbact Town are there !
1 Barnton Reserves 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 Barnton Wanderers Reserves 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 Barnton Wanderers 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 Bentley 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 Cuddington 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 Curshaws 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 Lostock Gralam Reserves 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 MMU Cheshire 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 MMU Cheshire 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 Malpas Reserves 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 Sandbach Town 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 Tarporley Victoria Reserves 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 Winnington Avenue 0 0 0 0 0 0

ALL ALLEGEDLY.

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Chapeltom
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Where will Sandbach Town play Hod? In Sandbach or elsewhere?

Interesting about Club AZ if true, so they are now essentially a Sunday League side. Won't mention the coulds and shoulds about the fact I should have gone there.. oh well, 3 miles from a station never helped.

Monk was another I never got to. The Cheshire League is now looking Manchester League like in frightening decline. 29 sides left Unsure

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Well you could question whether there is the need for two Step 7 leagues in Cheshire. Counties down my way don't have two Step 7 divisions and Cheshire is no larger than the counties down here. Maybe a merger between the two Cheshire leagues is inevitable?

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The problem is the amount of West Cheshire League sides on the Wirral. The top end of the Wirral to Gamesley/Denton/Whaley Bridge is in and around the 60 mile mark.

My personal perception has always been the WCL is a Wirral and Liverpool league.

The combined number of sides in the WCL and CFL is 89 sides, with 30+ reserve sides. That would possibly result in 4 divisions of first teams, 3 divisions of reserve sides. I'm not sure myself, though there are more far clued up posters on here than me.

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1. If rumour is correct re ground at Sandbach they will play at ? The big Sandbach team 'United' ply their trade at Winsford United and their Res at Legends (Bentley F C), Crewe. They are building a new facility in Sandbach but I don't know at what stage that is at. There is a dire shortage of grounds/pitches in Sandbach so perhaps Town will have to badger the council for an extension at Newall Avenue ?

2. East Cheshire equivalent to a Sunday League , please Tom !

3. Monk- Good riddance.

4. Yes def a shortage of suitable teams to join league.

5. Please remember these are my ramblings of a bitter and twisted man , the AGM is not until June 16 and it would surprise me if everything was sorted even then !

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Last season, by my calculations the Cheshire League had 27 first teams in two divisions.

The West Cheshire League had 26 first teams in their 3 divisions.

Total of 53

You could easily merge the two and have a Step 7 Premier Division of 16-18, a Division One of 14-16, and then two divisions (East and West) of roughly 12 teams each below that, and then bung all the reserve sides into East and West Divisions below that!

Those on the extreme periphery who don't like it, can bugger off to the Manchester League or Liverpool Co Prem to bolster the numbers there...and lets face it they both need bolstering!

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I think certain Cheshire League sides on the outer fringes join it so they don't have to play in the Manchester League! Denton, Gamesley and Whaley, Styal could all be Manchester League sides, but out of choice aren't. I don't blame any of them either.

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There is an East Cheshire Saturday League
http://full-time.thefa.com/...6&league=3711156

My understanding was the the club had been told by Mulberry's (the leisure centre owners) that they would only be allowed one Saturday team (allowing the ground to be free on alternate Saturdays for casual bookings) and that improvements wanted by the Cheshire League would not be done.

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Chapeltom
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Well I never knew that! Almost on my doorstep and I always thought there was just a Sunday League. It makes my nearest side to tick off, High Lane who play at Disley.

Interestingly the majority of those grounds are used by Sunday sides. Weirdly there are pitches at High Lane which no-one plays on, High Lane play Disley and Disley's 2 sunday sides play in New Mills, odd!

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"Yes Rob, indeed the Crewe & District side. Last season they played at Newall Avenue in Sandbach , the site of the old Sandbach Ramblers side. But rumour (Rivington) has it they played their last game on it recently before it is knocked down and built upon ?"

In response to our Illustrious poster I can confirm that when Timpers visited the ground at the end of theseason a club official confirmed they had been told by the Council the site would be not available next season due to proposed developments. At the time they had not yet established where they would be playing for the coming season and given the Councils normal rate of progress over such matters that there may still be an opportunity of them remaining for one more season.

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Well you could question whether there is the need for two Step 7 leagues in Cheshire. Counties down my way don't have two Step 7 divisions and Cheshire is no larger than the counties down here. Maybe a merger between the two Cheshire leagues is inevitable?

Reading League, East Berkshire League and a North Berkshire League ??

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Reading League, East Berkshire League and a North Berkshire League ??

I was talking about Cornwall/Devon/Somerset/Dorset/Wiltshire/Gloucestershire/Hampshire/Oxfordshire. All have just one Step 7 division. Berkshire is an anomoly and the three you mention are probably among the worst Step 7 divisions in the country - so I believe they should merge too.

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The other problem in any possible merger is the difference in standard. With very few exceptions the Cheshire League teams (despite its pretentious dropping of the "Mid" a few years ago) are no match for their West Cheshire equivalents.

By the way Tom you should also be aware there is an Altrincham and District (Saturday) league not all that far from you ...

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Aware of that one! Ex Cheshire League side Broadheath Central play in it, think with a railed off pitch.

There are many leagues I'd have never known anything about until I saw this site.

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You could easily merge the two and have a Step 7 Premier Division of 16-18, a Division One of 14-16, and then two divisions (East and West) of roughly 12 teams each below that, and then bung all the reserve sides into East and West Divisions below that!

Those on the extreme periphery who don't like it, can bugger off to the Manchester League or Liverpool Co Prem to bolster the numbers there...and lets face it they both need bolstering!

As a poster from 'down your way' once said - 'tosh'. Clubs join the Cheshire and West Cheshire leagues specifically to avoid playing in the Manc & Scouse leagues and I certainly don't blame them! It would appear from another post that South Liverpool are the latest to aim for the West Cheshire.

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Reading League, East Berkshire League and a North Berkshire League ??

The East Berks for a number of years fed the Reading League. the champions and runners-up could apply to go into the top Division of the Reading League, clubs could transfer but would end up in a division lower in Reading if they did. I can only think of Holyport who have gone straight from the East Berks to the Hellenic. Ascot certainly went via the Reading League. The Reading League has clubs from not only Berks but also Bucks, Hants and Oxon.

The same has happened in Bucks the top two in the Aylesbury League could apply to go to the North Bucks and then to the SML, a few years ago the SML started accepting anyone into it's lower division.

The North Berks is 90% in Oxfordshire these days, only Lambourn is not in Oxon and a number of OFA clubs play in the league.

The OSL tends only to cover the Oxford area and the north and west of the county and has teams from other counties in it, at one stage quite a few Bucks clubs were in it, though there is a drift back to the Aylesbury League, which now includes a number of OFA clubs. South Northants clubs have always played in the OSL.

You could certainly have two step 7 leagues, a combined OSL / NBL for the West of the two counties - only Lambourn would be out on a limb, and a Thames Valley League for the east of the two plus south Bucks - ie Wycombe / Marlow

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I remember in the 80s when there was, besides the Mid-Cheshire League, a Central Cheshire League !
I think it was a sort of Crewe premier league - teams like Winnington Avenue played in it (sure its been discussed on here too)

Edit ; it was....http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=152750;search_string=central%20cheshire;#152750

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As was stated in your 2009 thread, it was not a sort of Crewe League . I must have been banned then , no input by myself !
Crewe / Crewe & District began in 1895 and was renamed in 1972. So in the 80's the Crewe & District was in full flow.

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Manchester, Liverpool, west cheshire and Cheshire league Top Division sides would all be more than equiped to be playing step 5 and 6 in some of the southern parts of the pyramid, the god awful Hellenic springs to mind. There may be lots of different leagues over a relatively small area in the North West, but the standard remains strong

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Some would be more equipped than others!

If Gamesley of the Cheshire League 1st Division had the facilities I reckon they'd do well at Step 6 - thrashed Graham St Prims 7-1 away from home in midweek in the Derbyshire Senior Cup. Then lost 3-2 to a very good Borrowash Victoria, no thanks to 3 own goals Crazy

. Gave Shirebrook a good game in 2009/2010.

As proved with Ashton Athletic, Irlam, Wigan R.P - the Manchester League may be one certain posters avoid but its not far off NWCFL standards. Runcorn Town have also proved just how strong the West Cheshire is.

What is odd though and I will digress the Cheshire Amateur Cup shows the likes of Spurley Hey can knock out Step 7 and 8 clubs, who in turn would probably be good enough to give most NWCFL 1st Division sides a game. I don't think there is a great deal of difference between some sides in the Lancs Amateur League/Lancs & Cheshire and the NWCFL. Atherton LR a mid-table NWCFL side only just beat Old Boltonians, Lancs Amateur side in the Bolton Hospital Cup final recently.

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