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buncranaboy
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I asked this in another thread but the question may have been lost amongst my blatherings :

When was the last time England beat the reigning World Champions in a competitive match ?


Cheesemonster has already given his opinion on the other thread but ???


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Is the answer in fact that England have never beaten the reigning World Champions in a competitive match?

Although they have beaten the World Cup holders in a competitive war (Argentina held the World Cup at the start of the Falklands War).


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Here's the breakdown of England results in games against reigning world champions. (All info taken from http://www.eloratings.net/England.htm)

England Total Games Record vs Reigning World Champions P21 W6 D2 L13 F32 A37

It is surprising to note that England have only ever played 2 competitive fixtures against a reigning World Champion (vs Uruguay at the 1954 World Cup - Uruguay won 4-2 and against Brazil at the 1962 World Cup - Brazil won 3-1.) It is a moot point as to whether games in competitions such as Le Tournoi for example are classed as competitive international tournaments.

There are also 27 "protected" years in which England did not play against the reigning World Champions (eg 1986-1990 inclusive no games vs Argentina) It is now over 10 years since England last played a reigning World Champion.

2006 World Cup Winners - Italy
England have not played Italy in this period

2002 World Cup Winners - Brazil
England did not play Brazil during this period

1998 World Cup Winners - France
Feb 10 1999 England 0 France 2 (Friendly)

1994 World Cup Winners - Brazil
July 11 1995 England 1 Brazil 3 (Umbro Cup)
June 10 1997 Brazil 1 England 0 (Le Tournoi)

1990 World Cup Winners - West Germany
Sept 11 1991 England 0 Germany 1 (Friendly)
June 19 1993 Germany 2 England 1 (US Cup)

1986 World Cup Winners - Argentina
England did not play Argentina during this period

1982 World Cup Winners - Italy
June 06 1985 Italy 2 England 1 (Cup Ciudad de Mexico)

1978 World Cup Winners - Argentina
May 13 1980 England 3 Argentina 1 (Friendly)

1974 World Cup Winners - West Germany
March 12 1975 England 2 West Germany 0 (Friendly)
Feb 22 1978 West Germany 2 England 1 (Friendly)

1970 World Cup Winners - Brazil
England did not play Brazil during this period

1966 World Cup Winners - England

1962 World Cup Winners - Brazil
May 08 1963 England 1 Brazil 1 (Friendly)
May 30 1964 Brazil 5 England 1 (Nations Cup)

1958 World Cup Winners - Brazil
May 13 1959 Brazil 2 England 0 (Friendly)
June10 1963 Brazil 3 England 1 (World Cup)

1954 World Cup Winners - Germany
Dec 01 1954 England 3 West Germany 1 (Friendly)
May 25 1956 West Germany 1 England 3 (Friendly)

1950 World Cup Winners - Uruguay
May 31 1953 Uruguay 2 England 1 (Friendly)
June 26 1954 Uruguay 4 England 2 (World Cup)

1938 World Cup Winners - Italy
May 13 1939 Italy 2 England 2 (Friendly)
May 16 1948 Italy 0 England 4 (Friendly)
November 30 1949 England 2 Italy 0 (Friendly)

1934 World Cup WInners - Italy
Nov 14 1934 England 3 Italy 2 (Friendly)

1930 World Cup Winners - Uruguay
England did not play Uruguay during this period



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I think you've covered it there Darren. Food for thought.

And that's why beating Italy last weekend would have been such a big deal - needless to say, Ireland have never achieved this feat either.


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So moving on, which team has beaten the reigning World Champs the most times? I would hazard either Uruguay or Argentina with wins over Brazil...



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So moving on, which team has beaten the reigning World Champs the most times? I would hazard either Uruguay or Argentina with wins over Brazil...

Or the Netherlands with wins over Germany and other European World Cup holders?
Brazil often put a weak side out in the South American championship so have probably lost many games as World Champions.



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To answer my own question, here is the full list as long as I haven't missed anything:

Brazil 9 Argentina 7 France 5 Austria 4 Mexico 4 Netherlands 4 Sweden 4 Uruguay 4 Chile 3 Denmark 3 West Germany 3 Australia 2 Bolivia 2 Cameroon 2 Czechoslovaki 2 Hungary 2 Paraguay 2 Belgium 1 Bulgaria 1 Colombia 1 Costa Rica 1 Ecuador 1 Egypt 1 Italy 1 Norway 1 Portugal 1 Romania 1 Russia 1 Scotland 1 Senegal 1 United States 1 USSR 1 Wales 1 Yugoslavia 1



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You missed Poland with 2 wins (1980 against Argentina and 1985 against Italy).


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I don't recall exactly how I put together the list above but I think it was competitive games only, so in that case Poland would remain on zero.



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