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... yes I know there's another thread for trivia, but this is related to the restructuring bit, so I'll put it here for the moment, until someone moves it.

As a basis for creating more questions than it provides answers, I've been trying to put together a table by 2007 local authority in England (e.g. Cornwall not yet a unitary authority) based on FA data from April 2008. I'm not there yet, but here's a trivia question it's thrown up along the way. The answer certainly surprised me.

a) Which English local authority has the highest ratio of adult male 11 a side teams, by population? (what I mean is, most teams considering the population).

and a subsidiary question:

b) What factor accounts for/skews the information? (and it's not that the data is wrong).


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[a]. Bristol ?

(b). Inbreeding ?



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Good question. If I've read you right, you mean you are working on it and will produce some data? Do you want help with any of it - I'm happy to chip in with analysis or data collection.


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I would say Hackney

coz of the marshes


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[a]. Bristol ?

(b). Inbreeding ?



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No, but it is below the Severn/Wash boundary.


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I would say Hackney

coz of the marshes

No, not in London.

This is great. It's like having been a past winner of 20 questions (which will never happen...).

However, since it isn't twenty questions, I can give clues... and I don't want this to go on for days, so reflect on the fact that as these are FA figures, they include ALL male adult 11-a-side teams , belonging to clubs affiliated to ALL County FAs. (Incidentally, although this doesn't affect the answer, the FA lists U-18 sides as adult teams in these figures).


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Reckon might be to do with which Authority plays host to the most AFA teams ?



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Redbridge or Enfield possibly, or maybe Ealing with Gunnersbury?


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or Westminster - as it surprised you and I can't think of anywhere else I'd expect not to have many teams.


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A couple of years ago Tony K. did a piece showing the amount of teams at steps 1-6 in each postcode area. The GU area had the highest.
With that in mind, is Woking the answer to A?


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This is not just step 1 to 6, but ALL teams. You need to think out of the box (God! do you need to think out of the box), but thinking "AFA" is not necessarily the right answer - although at least you've broken the barrier of thinking that county FAs relate solely to geographic areas.

My God, that's a BIG clue, but as I said, this isn't 20 questions and we don't wish to go on for days.


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West Oxfordshire


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This is not just step 1 to 6, but ALL teams. You need to think out of the box (God! do you need to think out of the box), but thinking "AFA" is not necessarily the right answer - although at least you've broken the barrier of thinking that county FAs relate solely to geographic areas.

My God, that's a BIG clue, but as I said, this isn't 20 questions and we don't wish to go on for days.


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This is not just step 1 to 6, but ALL teams. You need to think out of the box (God! do you need to think out of the box), but thinking "AFA" is not necessarily the right answer - although at least you've broken the barrier of thinking that county FAs relate solely to geographic areas.

My God, that's a BIG clue, but as I said, this isn't 20 questions and we don't wish to go on for days.


Rushmoor? (Army FA)

Not Rushmoor, but you're along the right kind of lines (by the way since this isn't 20 questions, you're allowed more that one answer a day).


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Nor is it West Oxfordshire, but you're thinking the right kind of way too...


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I'm not being 20 questionish, so therefore another clue - the British Services are involved, although the Army is not the only one...


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... yes I know there's another thread for trivia, but this is related to the restructuring bit, so I'll put it here for the moment, until someone moves it.

As a basis for creating more questions than it provides answers, I've been trying to put together a table by 2007 local authority in England (e.g. Cornwall not yet a unitary authority) based on FA data from April 2008. I'm not there yet, but here's a trivia question it's thrown up along the way. The answer certainly surprised me.

a) Which English local authority has the highest ratio of adult male 11 a side teams, by population? (what I mean is, most teams considering the population).

and a subsidiary question:

b) What factor accounts for/skews the information? (and it's not that the data is wrong).


Can I ask how you define 'has' in (a)? So, is it which local authority has the most teams' home pitches (given that a lot of smaller clubs are connecting to organisations which are in a different location to the ground).


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The definitlion (not mine, just that from the data I've collected it from) is "teams who are recorded as having their main playing base in the Authority". It does mean that, generally and as far as I can tell, it places a club which has three teams, two of which play in one of several local authorities - as one lot of two, and one lot of one. Whether this is totally accurate is a matter for argument, however in the absence of any other data, it's the most accurate we have.It's certainly the most accurately presented.

So in answer to your question, it does seemingly differentiate between Arsenal and Arsenal reserves playing their home matches in different authorities. And the same for further on down the chain. But not for Wimbledon playing in Kingston, for example. They are recorded as Kingston, not Merton.

Finally, the information isn't perfect (partly the cause of this question), but is the best I've been able to find so far.


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I will have my Guess as Swindon

Saturday & Sunday leagues, 100ish teams, relatively low population density. Close to Wootton Bassett




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I will have my Guess as Swindon

Saturday & Sunday leagues, 100ish teams, relatively low population density. Close to Wootton Bassett


Not the worst guess in the world, but actually a fairly middling contender. Pretty close to the mark as well on the teams front - my figures say 120 teams - but 180k odd people (surprising how many people there are in Wiltshire, isn't it?) leaves it on the upper side of average, but no better I'm afraid.

I am looking for somewhere which has a connection with the services though.


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Just to remind you, the definition is "teams which have their main playing base in the local authority". So it doesn't mean that's where the players live, just where the teams are registered. And the answer to part (b) of my question might have something to do with the services.


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(b). Inbreeding ?
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Did someone mention Harwich? Tongue



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I would say Hackney

coz of the marshes

I would say Harwich

coz of the inbreeding. Sly



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I would say Hackney

coz of the marshes

I would say Harwich

coz of the inbreeding. Sly

No, not Harwich (or to be more precise, Tendring)... but since this isn't 20 questions, I'm happy to provide clues. The coastline bit could be worth exploring...


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I would say Hackney

coz of the marshes

I would say Harwich

coz of the inbreeding. Sly

No, not Harwich (or to be more precise, Tendring)... but since this isn't 20 questions, I'm happy to provide clues. The coastline bit could be worth exploring...


My guesses would be either Southend-on-Sea, Stroud or Adur

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