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Barnsley Dave
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Things are looking bad for the Tigers http://www.hydeunited.com/...ews/board230909.html


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That's a shame to hear, although reading their forum, there are still a lot of fans out there who seem to think that Premier League clubs/players owe them a living. Reading some of the posts, it's no better than listening to a beggar on the street who won't get a job to support themself.



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They've been wound up. If they don't win the appeal, the Conference North will be running short Frown

Terrible shame, the 6 Tamesides (Ashton Utd, Hyde, Stalybridge, Droylsden, Mossley and Curzon Ashton) is now the Tameside 5.


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That's a shame to hear, although reading their forum, there are still a lot of fans out there who seem to think that Premier League clubs/players owe them a living. Reading some of the posts, it's no better than listening to a beggar on the street who won't get a job to support themself.


I'm a Hyde fan, been on here for some time (though never posted) but I have to make a comment about what has been said. We don't think the top flight clubs owe us a living, but at the same time, we all know that non league has significant competition against the Manchester United's and Chelsea's of this world. A weeks wages from a top player would wipe out the debt immediately, is it any wonder it is so frustrating. As for the comment about being 'beggars on the street', thanks for the sympathy, as you look down from the Premier league gravy train, but we have no option, no club, no home, what can we do?

We tried to clear our debts from our previous investor without entering administration, as quite rightly the chairman did not believe in 'doing a Leeds/Chester', and has morals. Those morals have left us without a club. We are frustrated, even more so considering we had a good deal ready to pay off our debt. We were due to play Salford on Saturday, but that is it now, and probably for the rest of the season. Imagine if your club got wound up? How would you feel? That is why we're 'begging', we have no option. As for the harsh comment about not getting a job to support ourselves, what about the poor people who had a job and can't get another? Maybe a bit of thought into the desperation of a football fan who has just lost his club would be nice.


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That's a shame to hear, although reading their forum, there are still a lot of fans out there who seem to think that Premier League clubs/players owe them a living. Reading some of the posts, it's no better than listening to a beggar on the street who won't get a job to support themself.


I'm a Hyde fan, been on here for some time (though never posted) but I have to make a comment about what has been said. We don't think the top flight clubs owe us a living, but at the same time, we all know that non league has significant competition against the Manchester United's and Chelsea's of this world. A weeks wages from a top player would wipe out the debt immediately, is it any wonder it is so frustrating. As for the comment about being 'beggars on the street', thanks for the sympathy, as you look down from the Premier league gravy train, but we have no option, no club, no home, what can we do?

We tried to clear our debts from our previous investor without entering administration, as quite rightly the chairman did not believe in 'doing a Leeds/Chester', and has morals. Those morals have left us without a club. We are frustrated, even more so considering we had a good deal ready to pay off our debt. We were due to play Salford on Saturday, but that is it now, and probably for the rest of the season. Imagine if your club got wound up? How would you feel? That is why we're 'begging', we have no option. As for the harsh comment about not getting a job to support ourselves, what about the poor people who had a job and can't get another? Maybe a bit of thought into the desperation of a football fan who has just lost his club would be nice.


Yep, I can relate to that. Losing your club is gutwrenching under any circumstances and whatever form it comes back in, if indeed it does, it just ain't the same.....Best of luck.



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Sorry to upset you Macca, I've got no intention to be dancing on your grave so to speak, I've got fond memories of going to Ewen Fields and found it a very friendly club, so I'm genuinely sad to hear todays news, however I'd still stand by the point made, which has nothing to do with my own club currently 'riding the gravy train'.

Reading your forum this afternoon, there are those on there who seem to be blaming the Premier League just because the clubs there have been successful enough to attract more fans, sell more merchandise and create more business links to raise the sort of cash required to attract the better players and managers to be where they are, and it's the same sort of position that raises its head on a regular basis here, notably when Darwen went bust recently, with suggestions and disparaging inferations made towards Blackburn for not bailing them out. Ultimately it has nothing to do with the big, bad, evil Premier League, every club, whatever their level has to live within their means and those who find themself in your position (and before anyone else does, i'm happy to point out it's a position that my own club has found itself in in the past) only have themselves to blame for not balancing the books and finding a level that income dictates they can compete at. I'm sure everyone can come up with a hard luck story of a bad owner, or bad luck, or in your case, HMRC being harsh, but Hyde have been notorious for big money signings, so whilst I've got no wish to come on here rubbing it in at a time you don't want to hear it, the club only has themselves to blame on this.

The more clubs (again, whatever their level) learn to be self-sufficient and play to their means, instead of blaming the big, bad, evil Premier League because they've overextended themselves and/or haven't paid tax bills then the better for the game as a whole.

So what if a weeks wages of a Premier League player would wipe the debt out? It's irrelevant, they've worked hard to be at a level where that sort of money is available. Why not include Oldham, Rochdale, Bury or even Altrincham as well, given that they all play at a higher level with higher incomes, but then I suppose they're not as easy targets. The harsh fact... if Hyde wanted to play at the level that they were spending for, then the club should have been out working harder to get more fans through the door, selling more merchandise, and creating better business connections, and the blaming an old owner excuse that fans come out with doesn't usually pass much water given that fans are usually happy enough to go along with it when big signings are being made. I hope it works out in the future for you, but the message is... keep a tighter check on the books to avoid being back at this point again.



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Mad Bill
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That's a shame to hear, although reading their forum, there are still a lot of fans out there who seem to think that Premier League clubs/players owe them a living. Reading some of the posts, it's no better than listening to a beggar on the street who won't get a job to support themself.


Rather harsh, SB

This morning our plight didn't get a mention on any local radio station. That hurt. Surely we're allowed to have a pop at our wealthy neighbours, two of the 20 richest clubs in the world, who attract all the money, support, media coverage, everything, leaving not even crumbs for clubs like us. (OK, to be fair, the secretary and Chairman of City have admitted to having a 'soft spot' for us, but it hasn't done us much good when the excrement hit the air-conditioning).

Far from 'not getting a job to support themself (sic)' our Board and Supporters' Club have slogged their guts out over the years to keep the club going, doubly so over the last few months. Some poor decisions have been taken, but no worse than at many another club.
Big money signings? Hardly.OK, a couple of years ago we increased the wage bill but overall historically, we've underspent the majority of clubs. I sould know, as a former club treasurer, admittedly not recently.

They've been my club for over 40 years. At the moment I'm oscillating between calm (believing there'll be a successful appeal) and gut-churning, clammy-palmed, eyeball-drowning despair.
Should the worst come to pass, we have the security of knowing that the Council-owned ground will be available to any new club for next season's Unibond First campaign.
I'm off now to write my article for this Saturday's programme. Hopefully it will be read then and not in the first prog of next season.


(This post was edited by Mad Bill on Sep 24, 2009, 7:52 PM)


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Rather harsh, SB

Apologies Bill, I'm aware that not all Hyde fans take that view, it was more aimed at those on your forum and similar that regularly take that line on here.

I hope it works out in the future and you enjoy a similar sort of resurgance that Telford have since reforming.



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I do so hope that your appeal is successful.

But, if the worst does happen, may I entreat you with a heartfelt request to those who do come together to resurrect a team ? Please, please, please... no 'AFC' !

Oh. There's actually one exception... if they happened to come up with "AFC Jeckyll United" to perhaps 'cock-a-snook' to HMRC et al... then I'd defo vote that acceptable.



I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS FORUM WHO HAS FELT LET-DOWN BY MY INIMICABLE AND DEPLORABLE BEHAVIOUR OF OCTOBER 28th. 2009. ESPECIALLY TO BRIAN, WHO IS A MARVELLOUS GENTLEMAN AND IS THE LAST PERSON HERE WHO SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SUCH UNDESERVED PERSONAL CHARACTER-ASSASSINATION. LET IT BE KNOWN THAT A PRIVATE PERSONAL APOLOGY WAS SENT, BUT WAS SEEN INSUFFICIENT. FAIR ENOUGH.


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Whilst I am one of the less sympathetic to clubs who go bust, and believe that clubs who consistently live beyond their means, go into administration and then appear to be have the highest wage bill, when reformed with connected owners should be penalised harshly, it is difficult not to have huge sympathy for Hyde United and their fans.
A number of clubs such as Bognor have made financial mistakes which have led to debts slowly accumulating and tried to pay back all of thier creditors. From what I know Hyde are in this category and why they should be picked on above a number of others, who seem to have a season ticket in the bankruptcy courts seems harsh.

I wish them, but few others very well


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I know what it is like to see your football club die.

I don't have to imagine it; I have been there and seen it and ate the pie.

It is horrible.

Good luck to Hyde Utd and may something turn-up at the last moment to save the day.

If not, the next thing the supporters of Hyde must do is to get a new team up and running in time for next season.



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Ashtree RockBee
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A number of clubs such as Bognor have made financial mistakes which have led to debts slowly accumulating and tried to pay back all of thier creditors.

To put it as mildly as I can, that remark's very harsh on Bognor Regis Town, a club who owe no money whatsoever to the HMRC or the banks (the money is, in fact, owed to the committee men who've ploughed the money in themselves, the main creditor being Jack Pearce who allegedly took out a second mortgage rather than ask for his original loan back), who carry on without any major industries in the area to invest in them, and who have operated for over a year without a clubhouse which got arsoned on the first Friday of last season. The fact they're still going is not only miraculous but a tribute to the people at the club who've dug in and kept the club alive. Getting back to the subject, best of luck to Hyde United - hope things turn round ASAP.


Mad Bill
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Further Statement from the Chairman

"The latest position with regards to the winding up order is as follows:

"I consulted with solicitors on Thursday morning, and established that there is an opportunity to go back to the High Court with a request that the winding-up order be rescinded. This has to be done within 7 days, but practically will need to happen by Monday at the latest. The club will have to have in place funds to pay the petition debt of around 122,000 in full, plus related legal costs, which may be significant, and be able to convince the court that it is sufficiently solvent to continue to trade. We will have a much improved chance if we can also convince the Official Receiver. There are no guarantees, because at the end of the day it is the decision of the judge, who has to safeguard all the club's creditors not just HMRC. The club needs to raise around 35,000 over the next couple of days, but this is not impossible. Obviously any help, no matter how small would be greatly appreciated. The funds will be placed in a solicitors clients' account and will be returned in the event of the order not being rescinded. Please PM me if you are interested. Cheques can not be made out to Hyde United.

"As things stand at the moment the club has been wound up, and therefore is unable to fulfil its fixture in the FA Cup on Saturday. I have however contacted the FA, and requested a postponement of the fixture for one week, to allow us the opportunity to rescind the winding-up order. In reality we will be charged by the FA for not fulfilling the cup fixture, and will have to appeal to the cup committee. This is the best we could hope for.

"I have also consulted with the League, and established that if the order is rescinded, it would be as if it had never happened, we would not be in an insolvency event, and we would not suffer a points deduction. This would of course be subject to ratification by the Conference board.

"Finally, I have passed a message via Tolse to the players, requesting them not to do anything until our future is known for certain.

"Thanks to all those who have contacted the club either directly or through the forum. It is good to know that we are well respected, and I thank them for their best wishes.

"Please be assured that the board will do everything in their power to enable the club to survive."

Steve Hartley


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As a regular midweek visitor to Hyde from the plastic pitch days until I moved darn sarf I really hope you survive. Memories of freezing cold nights being warmed by delivery of freshly baked pies from the local bakery and the friendliness of the people at Hyde are things that shouldn't be allowed to die Smile. Good luck to you.


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Good luck from down here to yet another set of fans facing an uncertain future. My memories of Hyde go back to Cheshire League days and it will (would?) be sad to see them go under.



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The club will have to have in place funds to pay the petition debt of around 122,000 in full, plus related legal costs, which may be significant, and be able to convince the court that it is sufficiently solvent to continue to trade. We will have a much improved chance if we can also convince the Official Receiver. There are no guarantees, because at the end of the day it is the decision of the judge, who has to safeguard all the club's creditors not just HMRC. The club needs to raise around 35,000 over the next couple of days, but this is not impossible.


Bill

Hope you can find the money to achieve this but if the club are not working within their budget you may only be putting off the eventual.Frown Football in Hyde should continue although you may have to drop 2 leagues or further & would look at setting up as a fan owned club living within its means rather than 'rely' on a sugar daddy.You have enough highly respected people who have been involved in the club for many years to ensure future survival.

Sorry to see the club go as I spent many weekends travelling round the country watching Hyde when I was younger...still even got my match programmes & scarf .Just looking at Steeno & Salmon's testimonial programme v MUFC in 1983...remember a young Mark Hughes coming on as a sub & Bobby Charlton scoring a thunderbolt playing for Hyde...great days Smile


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My friend and I still discuss our visit to Hyde in '93/4 when we came up with Carshalton for a FA Trophy tie. A cracking game, we lost 3-2 as Andy Salako missed a last minute sitter. Had a good chat with Hyde supporters after the game in the club bar and we travelled back by train with the team (courtesy of cheap train tickets from Gary Bowyer).

For all Hyde supporters, I wish the best of luck in their current plight and hope YOUR club survive in one form or another.



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Good luck guys.

Tough times.

For the rest of us, the word is that HMRC are becoming more likely to take a hard line over tax owed. Shocked


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And rightly so. Their soft handling of older football club debts may have led some other clubs to behave recklessly, thinking that they might also receive relatively lenient "punishment".
If my business reneged on tax payments, I think we'd know about it pretty quickly. Why do football clubs think they can get away with making deductions from their employees pay and not forwarding it to HMRC ? And yet the same directors/board responsible will be the ones bleating about harsh treatment..............!!


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if you read what I actually said, I was praising Bognor who having got into debt and despite then being hit by a fire have done everything they can to pay everybody back.

I chose not to name the clubs I was criticising although most people's guesses would be accurate


Mad Bill
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Latest Update:

Finally, some media coverage. Non-League normally gets about 15 minutes on BBC Radio Manchester on a Friday around 7.15. Tonight our situation, and non-League finance in general, was the sole topic for the 7-8 hour, and club Sec. Tony Beard was interviewed. Chairman Steve Hartley is to be interviewed at 1.45 tomorrow.
Fans are rendezvousing tomorrow morning to mug Saturday morning shoppers and, just as important, remind them that the town has a club.
Contact has finally been made with Ricky Hatton. He has been the target of considerable criticism recently. This isn't a case of expecting someone else to sort our problems out for us. He claims he's a Hyde fan, behind City, of course (check his Wikipedia page). He's certainly attended a few games, but so far hasn't even been prevailed upon to sponsor a game, even though he's opened a new gym in the town which needs publicity (he had Mohammed Ali, no less, making a public appearance a few weeks ago).
I'd like to think it's been a case of him having an over-zealous entourage who've kept us out of his way, but he has been quoted on another radio station as saying he'd love to help, and his father has been in contact with a club director.
The shortfall of 35,000 has already shrunk by several K, and there's every hope and possibility that we'll make the target. Then it will be a case of satisfying a Judge that we're not going to be back in the same situation in the near future. Given that the current wage bill is much reduced, that is hardly likely. There are no other creditors of any note for the Judge to have to worry about.
Fingers, and everything else, crossed.


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I do so hope that your appeal is successful.

But, if the worst does happen, may I entreat you with a heartfelt request to those who do come together to resurrect a team ? Please, please, please... no 'AFC' !

Oh. There's actually one exception... if they happened to come up with "AFC Jeckyll United" to perhaps 'cock-a-snook' to HMRC et al... then I'd defo vote that acceptable.


Could Hyde not merge with Leek Town and form HYDE & LEEK. Don't call security, I'll leave quietly Unimpressed


Mad Bill
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Latest:

This afternoon's meeting took on the appearance of a money launderers' convention, with cheques and bundles of readies passing to and fro.
Over 9K was raised in an hour or so, with many other pledges to be fulfilled.
Fans will be turning up mob-handed at CoMS on Monday for a bucket collection at City's game v WHU.
Hold the obit column.


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Yep, Tony Livesey on BBC North gave a big up to the Tigers tonight and publicity to the collection at Eastlands tonight. Kinda bizarre, round East Mancs talk is always of (usually us, Tigers and Ashton Utd) teams going under but you never actually think it will happen.

Good luck from all Lilywhites, you have been and I suspect continue to be rivals to us for many years to come be it as Hyde Utd, AFC Hyde, or whatever


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For all the good that an anonymous post on an internet forum can do, all the best from my little corner of the web



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