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toro
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Not good news for Gloucester. Crowds already down due to having to play at Cirencester and this will massively affect the number of away fans that they attract due to the travelling distance. Never thought I would see the day where Gloucester would be considered to be in the 'North' of England.


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Makes me wonder if it was worth getting promoted Frown


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At least it'll save you time on the M25 getting to places like Bromley, Welling & Thurrock.



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tigerroar
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I wish it would mate but chances are that as I work saturday am's I shall be missing a large chunk of the away games, and you know me, I never miss away games.


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What'll happen in a years time if - for instance, Eastbourne, Salisbury, Hayes & Yeading and Grays all got relegated - thus creating an even bigger bias towards the south at Step 2 than there is already.

Is this a sign that a north/south regional league isn't going to work long term? Maybe the old 3 division Step 2 we had prior to 2004 was the right option.


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It's always a risk where where you split from 1 division into 2, and in relegating 4, the chances of it not being an exact 2:2 split are quite high; plus the current makeup at step 2 makes it more pronounced, because all the 'border' teams are already in the North division except Worcester. This would happen sometime wherever the 1:2 split is in the pyramid. On a lesser scale, it will also happen further down - proposed NPP relegatees seem to split 3-1 N:S and Goole already seem to be in the wrong (southern) half.

Given the rule on moving teams (not within 3 years without permission), I think they should have placed Kings Lynn in Conf Sth instead last year, because they were promoted and it fitted their previous area pretty well. Having been promoted into Conf Sth, they would still have been available to move into Conf Nth if required this year (had they sorted out their ground etc.). That's one reason why I am expecting Kings Lynn to be placed in the SLP - if they move Hednesford, they could have the same Worcester problem with Hednesford in a year's time at step 3.



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Have to agree, that the NPL/Southern/Isthmian was a more sensible arrangement. This can cost clubs fortunes in travel expenses and in the number of visiting fans.

No local derbies, no rivalries, all 'unknown' opposition, not an enticing prospect for Gloucester


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Basically the "can't be moved again for three years" rule is utterly idiotic and should be scrapped.

It's an absolute nonsense that they can't move Worcester back north.

Makes you wonder who'd have been transferred had Farnborough won the play-offs! Crazy



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I am on the record as suggesting that Bishops Stortford could have possibly become a Conference North side - maybe two/three years back !



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phil of Bath
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Basically the "can't be moved again for three years" rule is utterly idiotic and should be scrapped.

It's an absolute nonsense that they can't move Worcester back north.

Makes you wonder who'd have been transferred had Farnborough won the play-offs! Crazy


Bath City are getting worried! Cirencester is only about 20 miles north of Bath. You are right; unless the leagues happen to strike lucky year after year, the north-south divide is going to shift ever further southward. We need conference Nat north and south (like the old Div 3 S & N)at Step 1, which would involve some semi-promotions for 26 lucky clubs from existing Conf N and S, then Step 2 would be Southern, Northern, Isthmian (if we have to) and a new Midland. Step 3 would be the lower divisions of the Southern (mid and South), Isthmian and NLP, but with a little more re-organisation to include the midlands clubs. Total number of clubs in this set-up (Steps 1-3) would be 48 + 88 + 88 = 224, only 2 more than the existing 24 + 44 + 66+ 88 = 222.


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Well if a club never gets settled in a league it has a worse chance of promotion or progressive prospects.

But if they want to move then they should do so, but they shouldn't be made to in my view.


pokal02
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This is exactly why Step 2 should be scrapped. How can it be sensible for Blyth to travel to Cirencester in a 'regional' league? Re-name the ILP, NPLP and SLP 'Conference South East, North and Midlands & West' if you must!


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All will come good when Chester will be bumped down to BSNorth and Woking will be reprieved. Wink


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Total number of clubs in this set-up (Steps 1-3) would be 48 + 88 + 88 = 224, only 2 more than the existing 24 + 44 + 66 + 88 = 222.


Not since 2004-05 has there been 88 at Step 4. The current setup is 24 + 44 + 66 + 129 = 263.


Acidhouse1988
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Nowhere near as ridiculous as the ignoramus in charge of the league fixtures who sometimes has Wycombe Wanderers playing Exeter at bank holidays. There were very few teams in the whole of the 4th tier clearly FURTHER AWAY than Exeter! -( Darlington, Morecambe and about one more)


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Nowhere near as ridiculous as the ignoramus in charge of the league fixtures who sometimes has Wycombe Wanderers playing Exeter at bank holidays. There were very few teams in the whole of the 4th tier clearly FURTHER AWAY than Exeter! -( Darlington, Morecambe and about one more)



However Wycombe were the third nearest neighbour to Exeter after Bournemouth and Aldershot. So somebody has got to play Exeter. Wink


DavetheGlassboy
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Well if a club never gets settled in a league it has a worse chance of promotion or progressive prospects.


I don't accept that. Whichever league they are in they will be up against teams of similar standard so their chances of promotion will be identical.



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DavetheGlassboy
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Nowhere near as ridiculous as the ignoramus in charge of the league fixtures who sometimes has Wycombe Wanderers playing Exeter at bank holidays. There were very few teams in the whole of the 4th tier clearly FURTHER AWAY than Exeter! -( Darlington, Morecambe and about one more)


Personally, I'd prefer longer trips on Bank Holidays, if it wasn't for having to contend with increased traffic!



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It took them many many years to reorganise things, I think there is more chance of Mossley winning the FA Cup than them reorganiing it again. I think the old system worked better but Im an old fart who dunt like bloody change


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(Apologies if already asked, .......)

Is there any law | reason | axiom that prevents Conf S running with 23 clubs, and Conf N with 21 ?

I understand that the number of matches would be somewhat disparate, but clubs in this step might be in Conf Premier in the future, with its 24 club manifest.



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Yes there will be some long journeys, which will probably be played on Saturdays on dates that DON'T clash with FA Trophy, or FA Cup, plus there is only a few long journeys each season. Most typical journeys would be to the Manchester area, and to the Midlands.

As for the numbers in each league, I'm against having odd numbers. I've nothing against having 20 and 24 teams in a league, but please not 23 and 21.

As for the old system, surely people remember the point of having conference north, and conference south, it was to have less regional leagues compared to the old Isthmian, Northern and Southern Leagues. Especially for those clubs around London.


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Basically the "can't be moved again for three years" rule is utterly idiotic and should be scrapped.

It's an absolute nonsense that they can't move Worcester back north.

Makes you wonder who'd have been transferred had Farnborough won the play-offs! Crazy


Bath City are getting worried! Cirencester is only about 20 miles north of Bath. You are right; unless the leagues happen to strike lucky year after year, the north-south divide is going to shift ever further southward. We need conference Nat north and south (like the old Div 3 S & N)at Step 1, which would involve some semi-promotions for 26 lucky clubs from existing Conf N and S, then Step 2 would be Southern, Northern, Isthmian (if we have to) and a new Midland. Step 3 would be the lower divisions of the Southern (mid and South), Isthmian and NLP, but with a little more re-organisation to include the midlands clubs. Total number of clubs in this set-up (Steps 1-3) would be 48 + 88 + 88 = 224, only 2 more than the existing 24 + 44 + 66+ 88 = 222.


Sorry Phil, but this situation has a potential to happen at any point where 2 leagues feed into one. Reorganising to move the level up 1 is a bit extreme IMO!

I'm with dave re 21/23 team leagues, fine if it's 20/24. Mind you, I must have missed the rationale for Conf Nth/Sth, I thought it was just Conference empire building? Crazy



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Sorry Phil, but this situation has a potential to happen at any point where 2 leagues feed into one. Reorganising to move the level up 1 is a bit extreme IMO!

I'm with dave re 21/23 team leagues, fine if it's 20/24. Mind you, I must have missed the rationale for Conf Nth/Sth, I thought it was just Conference empire building? Crazy


But it's not 2 leagues feeding into one, is it? It's 3 leagues feeding into 2; 2 southern leagues and one northern feeding into 1 supposedly northern and 1 supposedly southern.


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Sorry Phil, but this situation has a potential to happen at any point where 2 leagues feed into one. Reorganising to move the level up 1 is a bit extreme IMO!

I'm with dave re 21/23 team leagues, fine if it's 20/24. Mind you, I must have missed the rationale for Conf Nth/Sth, I thought it was just Conference empire building? Crazy


But it's not 2 leagues feeding into one, is it? It's 3 leagues feeding into 2; 2 southern leagues and one northern feeding into 1 supposedly northern and 1 supposedly southern.


It's not the feeding up that is the problem, it's the coming down....



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