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blackdouglas
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Clubs in outlying areas will always have more miles to cover, but the least that the the FA can do is ensure that the travelling is evened out as much as possible. For clubs in Ryman North to be clustered like they are while East Anglian clubs face the prospect of trips across the full width of England is a nonsense. The FA need to stop the Isthmian league dictating their own (self-advantaging) catchment area and enforce the obvious logic that East Anglia being partnered with North and East London would be the fairest way to arrange matters.


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I completely understand your frustration.

At the moment, not only is it particularly hard for clubs like Lowestoft, Bideford or Whitley Bay to move up the pyramid, but also particularly easy for clubs in some areas to do so. It really isn't a big undertaking for clubs such as Brentwood or Waltham Abbey to move up to more senior levels as the travelling increases little from what are already quite self-contained areas at Step Five. This leads to an even greater concentration of (thinly-supported) clubs around areas already thick with senior clubs. Every year that the Western, Eastern Counties and Northern leagues fail to promote - and most other Step fives do - the more isolated these parts of the country become, and the greater disparity in travelling would be faced by anyone taking the plunge.

Clubs in outlying areas will always have more miles to cover, but the least that the the FA can do is ensure that the travelling is evened out as much as possible. For clubs in Ryman North to be clustered like they are while East Anglian clubs face the prospect of trips across the full width of England is a nonsense. The FA need to stop the Isthmian league dictating their own (self-advantaging) catchment area and enforce the obvious logic that East Anglia being partnered with North and East London would be the fairest way to arrange matters.

I've argued this point on another thread in the restructuring section. While we have this silly notion of 'tradtional catchment areas' the problem will persist. 'Best fit' for league constitutions at each step based on mileage and travel time considerations is the way to go.



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I've argued this point on another thread in the restructuring section. While we have this silly notion of 'tradtional catchment areas' the problem will persist. 'Best fit' for league constitutions at each step based on mileage and travel time considerations is the way to go.



Exactly. That was what we were told was going to be meant by the 'pooling' system at each step, yet each year the leagues seem to carve it up between themselves, leaving a result with no apparent logical basis. I really hope that Lowestoft are putting themselves forward come May, as it may force the FA to step in on the issue.


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I've argued this point on another thread in the restructuring section. While we have this silly notion of 'tradtional catchment areas' the problem will persist. 'Best fit' for league constitutions at each step based on mileage and travel time considerations is the way to go.


Not at all ! Keep to the traditional areas say I... now, that means Kettering to Yeovil... does it not ???



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DC
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Feb 1, 2009, 10:16 PM

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I really hope that Lowestoft are putting themselves forward come May, as it may force the FA to step in on the issue.


Apparently Lowestoft will only accept the promotion if the FA brings the East Anglian sides back from the Southern league into the Isthmian league again (or at least let LTFC play in that league should the others decline), they are said to be of the opinion that the costs would far out weigh the benefits. (Leiston are said to be of the same opinion also BTW).

Like someone else posted before, this leaves a club that has often been dubbed a 'sleeping giant' within non-league circles 'treading water' (no disrespect meant to other Step 5 clubs) season after season. After the Vase success last season (which saw over 15,000 LTFC fans at Wembley) the club finally are showing some ambition but due largely to FA mismanagement (yet again it seems at every level!) Lowestofts progression could be thwarted. It would be such a shame particularly when simple logic should surely prevail.(?)

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Short bloke
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Ah yes, the old traditional catchment areas argument. North of Colchester & east of Bury St Edmunds have never been anyones traditional territory. If you exclude Norwich City & Ipswich Town no one has ever managed a season at step 4 from the towns of Ipswich & Lowestoft in Suffolk & Norwich & Great Yarmouth in Norfolk. Thats two towns with a 100,000 plus population & two more with over 60,000. It's not as if we're on the tip of Cornwall, we're only a little over 100 miles from London.
I believe our reserves travel is equal to the Ishtmian North average, mind you our reserves crowds are better than a quarter of the Isthmian north clubs.


DC
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FYI:

I've quizzed the Isthmian League secretary (Bruce Badcock) about Lowestoft's promotion fate should they win the league and the reply was..

'This will be a decision for the FA's Leagues Committee in May, but I would have thought probably the Southern League is currently the most likely option.'

Madness if he's right.
DC.


Short bloke
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Feb 9, 2009, 9:37 PM

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As Bruce lives in Suffolk then perhaps he should be Southern League secretary! Still, we shall keep up the pressure & eventually common sense will prevail (I hope).


DC
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According to the local Lowestoft paper, LTFC are in the Rymans next season...

http://www.lowestoftjournal.co.uk/...2011%3A31%3A18%3A847


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Already noted, DC.

http://www.nlpl.co.uk/...orum.cgi?post=172399


Short bloke
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May 21, 2009, 2:40 PM

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I am absolutely delighted. A big thank you to Tony kempster & to this web site, without Tony's work on here I am 100% certain we would have been in the Eastern Counties League next season. Thanks Tony from all at Lowestoft Town.


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So the FA give Lowestoft the Isthmian option they wanted, whilst ensuring they don't get any reward out of it, such as local matches.

Some-one's thinking "That'll teach these uppity Step 5 clubs, won't it?" And in a few years time we'll wonder why the Pyramid has got no East Anglian clubs in it.


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I really can't believe they've put Lowestoft in Isthmian North, but not transferred Sudbury to the same league. Utterly, utterly ridiculous.


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Remember that this is only the provisional list. There's plenty of legs left in the idea of them finally deciding on a three-way swap... putting Glocester into IL1N, Worcester back into CS and Lowestoft into CN !!! Crazy



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SeanM
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I really can't believe they've put Lowestoft in Isthmian North, but not transferred Sudbury to the same league. Utterly, utterly ridiculous.

It seems that the powers involved (the FA and the Isthmian league) reached a compromise. Considering that the Isthmian league had "played their hand" too early (IMHO) by stating that East Anglian clubs would not be accepted, and Lowestoft had indicated "Isthmian" or refuse promotion, the result was the only alternative for each side to "save face".

From a geographical and economic point of view, Sudbury should have been included. As most compromises go, most are not totally satisfied, and most are not totally unhappy.



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paul_c
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Very interesting interview with Mr Turvey on this link,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/..._Preview_29_05_2009/

Looks like we (Lowestoft) were not wanted by the Southern League so i guess Rymans had their arm twisted to allow us in !!


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Very interesting interview with Mr Turvey on this link,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/..._Preview_29_05_2009/

Looks like we (Lowestoft) were not wanted by the Southern League so i guess Rymans had their arm twisted to allow us in !!

The interview sounds more of a politicians response in making the best of an awkward situation. I did find the "they (Lowestoft Town) are out of our league ..... rather out of our area" to be a bit of a slip. Cool

Good fortune to you in the coming season!



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