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As you know Kings Lynn are in the Blue Square North with Redditch United from Worcestershire while Worcester City are in the South.

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone that Kings Lynn is moved to the South and Worcester is moved back to the North.

What does everybody else think...

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Sep 22, 2008, 8:38 PM

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Re: [cooksmad] Kings Lynn [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

There has been much conversation about this but when it comes down to it Worcester IS further south than the other two.

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We discussed all these issues to death in the weeks following the announcement from the FA. I think we came to the conclusion that the Conference were going senile by the way they'd decided to split their North & South divisions.

Basically, King's Lynn promoted from the Southern League, with a squad of southern based players, fitting nicely into the gap in Conference South. That's the sensible way to do things. No, we'll put Lynn in Conf North and move an established Conf North side into Conf South just for the fun of it.

Madness I tell thee, Madness.

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Re: [blackdouglas] Kings Lynn [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

"for the fun of it"?

Do you know the reason they put them in the North or does your intellect restrict you to juvenile back biting?

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Re: [cope1] Kings Lynn [In reply to]	Can't Post or Reply Privately

But Redditch is right next door to Worcester

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To be honest I'd love to know the reasoning behind why they make the decision they do. I'd love to know why it the Ryman League have decided East Anglia is a step too far for them. I'd love to know exactly what went on at those meetings back in May, because it looks like nobody is actually thinking about who is affected by some of the "apparently" ridiculous decisions that have been made.

As for the "juvenile back biting", yeah, occasionally the big kid inside gets the better of me, and I just let it run.

Many apologies if you're offended, I shall now take myself up the pub and brood about it.

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Many apologies if you're offended, I shall now take myself up the pub and brood about it.

There are some that would pay a lot of money to see that. I've never heard it called that before though. Wink

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Sep 22, 2008, 9:24 PM

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But Redditch is right next door to Worcester

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Close by, yes but not next door.

This is the FA we are talking about...they couldn't organise a shag in a brothel

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Sep 22, 2008, 9:24 PM

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But Redditch is right next door to Worcester

If I remember the sequence of events correctly, originally both Redditch and Worcester were moved from Conference North to Conference South. However late in the day, Nuneaton got chucked out of the Conference and a gap existed in Conference North.

Rather than mess up all of Redditch, Worcester and King's Lynn yet again by swapping Redditch and Worcester back to North and putting King's Lynn in South, they decided just to move Redditch north.

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I hope you enjoy the pub and thank you for making such a fair response to my rather irritable post! I apologise for that, I was riled by something altogether different and it was a bit off of me to aim it at you.

I think there was a discussion on here previously about the placement of KL where someone argued that they prefered to go North but I'm afraid I cannot remember the details and have not the patience to search through the posts!

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But Redditch is right next door to Worcester

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Close by, yes but not next door.

This is the FA we are talking about...they couldn't organise a shag in a brothel

If your in Crewe on business at all, I could organise such things with my neighbours on Nantwich Road. Lovely girls.

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But Redditch is right next door to Worcester

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Close by, yes but not next door.

This is the FA we are talking about...they couldn't organise a shag in a brothel

If your in Crewe on business at all, I could organise such things with my neighbours on Nantwich Road. Lovely girls.

Is that open to all of us?

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Only if you wear a Burnley condom.

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There are some that would pay a lot of money to see that. I've never heard it called that before though. Wink

Of course that was the Royal Plural I was using. Angelic

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To respond to the original post, I remember that when all the discussion about Redditch/Worcester/King's Lynn took place it was also mooted to have King's Lynn and Boston put in Conference South and Worcester and Redditch in Conference North (before Boston was expelled from the Conference).

To have a team from Lincolnshire considered for Conference South seems bizzare and shows the trouble with considering local derbies as the defining factor. Could you imagine everyone in Conference Soth having to travel to Lincolnshire just so King's Lynn could join the South and have a local derby (of sorts).

I think the main (but not only factor) that should be considered is which is actually further north/south. King's Lynn is clearly further north then Worcester, Redditch and 2 or 3 others in Conference North. Unfortunately for them there are no other teams in the Norfolk, Lincolnshire area in Conference North right now but they are not the only team who are a little isolated geographically in the pyramid. And as there are no teams in East Anglia in Conference South they wouldn't get any closer games even if they did go south.

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"Blue Up North" may have a better handle on this than I do but I believe Worcester were not unhappy at being switched to the South as long as they were promised they would not be shuttled back again within a three year period.

And given the local difficulties in last years Worcestershire Senior Cup Final I guess Worcester's fans aren't that bothered about not playing Redditch in the League this season.

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Sep 26, 2008, 6:51 PM

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I really don't get what the big deal is. 44 clubs at Step 2 split between 2 divisions.

22 most northernly teams go in northern division.
22 most southernly teams go in southern division.

Cuts down on needless arguments like this when there are set guidelines.

If you don't like it, stay in your step 3 league. Simple.

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Sep 26, 2008, 7:24 PM

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But it isn't just as simple as that. Most clubs at that level have a number of players from some distance away from their club base. So, for example, when KL were in the Southern League, I imagine that those players who did not live in or near KL would have come from South of there.

Were they to be moved, often well after the season has ended, to Conference North, then many of their players will be very inconvenienced by that. Given that by definition it is the clubs near the dividing line that could face that dilemma, that really is a real disadvantage to them.

The other factor that can be very important is ease of travelling. I know Forest Green were reported as saying they would prefer to go to Conference North if they were relegated, simply because the M5/M42 corridor is much easier than back country roads towards the M4. They have since managed to avoid any such decision by prospering in Conf National.

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Sep 26, 2008, 7:45 PM

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I always thought that the north/south line should be the severn/wash line, with teams in Lincs, Leics, Northants, Warwicks, Worcs, Hereford as being in the North and teams in Norfolk, Cambs, Hunts, Oxon, Gloucs in the South.

Therefore Worcester and Redditch in Conf N and Kings Lynn in Conf S.

If in any year a 22/22 split did not happen then a 23/21 split or even a 24/20 split should run.

Then a club would always know which half of the country they would be in.

Any club that did not like the split could volunteer for the other half but would then always be in that half in future years.

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With 4 teams coming down from the Conference and possibly an uneven split coming up, there is a very real possibility of an uneven North / South imbalance. Such an imbalance will not necessarily self-correct the following year - as soeone pointed out a month or so ago, Stevenage would probably have ended up in Conference North at one point, given the sides due to come up from the SLP and down from the Conference. Or would you rather run with a 19/25 sometime?

You also get the same issue relegating from step 2 (when it actually happens Wink

) - and further downwards - there is never a guarantee that the split will be even where the goegraphical area for the division below is different. Rigid boundaries simply do not work.

AFAIK, the rule is simply that FA will agree League compositions with the relevant leagues. There is also a rule that no side will be required to move sideways more than once in 3 years, unless there is a restructure. The 3 years giving some degree of security for the reasons stated above. I presume that Fleet Town could have refused a switch, and Worcester could do if they are offered a move back north next year or the year after. As Kings Lynn were promoted into Conf Nth, I would assume they could be asked to move into Conference South (as could Redditch) if the sides coming down&up happen to make that the best option. The current system is flexible enough to manage whoever comes up or down - I think it's best as it is. Had a full complement of NE sides come into NP1N, and had we not got promoted, potentially we (FCUM) could have been moved into NP1S. If that had happened though, it probably would have been moving most of the Manchester teams en bloc. Any changes I would expect to have been to achieve the most practical end result. Everyone is ceratin of which league they will play in by early June and generally know long before then, so there is usually at least 2 months to prepare for the new season (and possibly division).

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