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CONIFA - Confederation of Independent Football Associations


I was flicking through this months World Soccer magazine & it had 4 pages about the CONIFA Euro Cup. Interestingly it said that next years CONIFA World Cup (16 teams) will be held in London at amateur & university grounds with the Final at QPR's Loftus Road.


Other websites suggest that the venue is still TBC.


The CONIFA website advises that 6 teams have already qualified: Barawa (hosts), Tamil Eelam, Abkhazia, Tibet, Western Armenia & Felvidek. The competition starts on Thursday 31 May with group games with the final on Saturday 9 June.


I also came across a website/forum roonba.fr.yuku.com which mentioned a further 4 teams that have qualified: Kiribati, Cascadia, Northern Cyprus & Padania.


Looking at various websites the hosts are Barawa which I googled today & they are associated with Somalia.


I also went on the Barawa FA twitter page & there was details of an upcoming tournament which had been tweeted from MANXIFA.
It's the Niamh Challenge Cup an international football tournament being held at Haringey Borough:
Wed 9 Aug: KO:1800: Chagos Island v Barawa
Sat 12 Aug: KO:1945: Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) v Barawa
Sun 13 Aug: KO:1500: Chagos Island v Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man)


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

I have to say I would be surprised if QPR are given permission from the FA to host this; as this is technically unauthorised football could the FA be seen to sanction a non FIFA (who have jurisdiction over the FA) approved match taking place at such a high profile ground?


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

On Sat 5th August Barawa beat Tamileelam 3-0 at Haringey Borough's ground. KO was 19:45 but I only knew about game early following morning. Not that I'd have gone to watch this.


It's the Niamh Challenge Cup an international football tournament being held at Haringey Borough:
Wed 9 Aug: KO:1800: Chagos Island 0 v 3 Barawa
Sat 12 Aug: KO:1945: Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) v Barawa
Sun 13 Aug: KO:1500: Chagos Island v Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man)


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

It's the Niamh Challenge Cup an international football tournament being held at Haringey Borough:
Wed 9 Aug: KO:1800: Chagos Island 0 v 3 Barawa
Sat 12 Aug: KO:1945: Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) 6 v 2 Barawa
Sun 13 Aug: KO:1500: Chagos Island v Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man)


Regarding the CONIFA World Cup next year potentially in London. I was advised 3 of the ground they hoped to use are Barnet, Haringey Borough & QPR. Whether they are allowed as stated above is another matter.


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

They might get round it by hiring the grounds from the ground operators rather than the clubs. The Hive is separate from Barnet FC I think, and if it's not I reckon Mr K would have no problem separating them in order to hire the groin out.


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Re: [cope1] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Looking into I further, I dont think FIFA care. The Western Armenia team played Olympique de Marseille II and I've seen various references to high-ish profile teams and grounds being involved. It's not like the FA with women's football for so many years...


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Re: [cope1] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Generally, I do not think FIFA care, with the exception of those teams where there is a political conflict with a FIFA member.

The CONIFA team whose presence causes most political problems is Tibet. The Chinese have a lot of political clout, and object vehmently to the idea of the independent Tibet Football Team.



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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

It's the Niamh Challenge Cup an international football tournament being held at Haringey Borough:
Wed 9 Aug: KO:1800: Chagos Island 0 v 3 Barawa
Sat 12 Aug: KO:1945: Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) 6 v 2 Barawa
Sun 13 Aug: KO:1500: Chagos Island 0 v 13 Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man)

So Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) win the competition.


At the game last night was a Michael Page. I jut googled who he is & he's a kickboxer/boxer.


I was also advised Barawa hope to play a game in November against Rangers of London. I think I read on another thread about a team called London Rangers.


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It's the Niamh Challenge Cup an international football tournament being held at Haringey Borough:
Wed 9 Aug: KO:1800: Chagos Island 0 v 3 Barawa
Sat 12 Aug: KO:1945: Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) 6 v 2 Barawa
Sun 13 Aug: KO:1500: Chagos Island 0 v 13 Ellen Vannin (Isle of Ma

So Ellen Vannin (Isle of Man) win the competition.


At the game last night was a Michael Page. I jut googled who he is & he's a kickboxer/boxer.


I was also advised Barawa hope to play a game in November against Rangers of London. I think I read on another thread about a team called London Rangers.



They will probably have changed their name at least 4 times before the game is played!



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They might get round it by hiring the grounds from the ground operators rather than the clubs. The Hive is separate from Barnet FC I think, and if it's not I reckon Mr K would have no problem separating them in order to hire the groin out.

I'm happy to hire my groin out


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The draw for the 2018 CONIFA World Cup is to be held on January 6th 2018. Tournament from 31st May to 10th June.

Pot 1: Abkazia (2016 winners), Barawa (hosts (UK)), Padania (4th in 2016) & Panjab (2nd in 2016)
Pot 2: Tamil Eelam, Northern Cyprus (3rd in 2016), United Koreans of Japan & Szekely Land
Pot 3: Felvidek, Western Armenia, Kiribati & Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man)
Pot 4: Tibet, Cascadia, Matabeleland & Kabylie

Iエve still not seen a list of grounds being used so would assume this will be announced after the draw.

There appears there may be a tournament on May 26 & 27 called the Surrey International Open. Possible with 4 or 6 clubs. Possibly at somewhere like Carshalton has been mentioned. Wikpedia also has a page set up.

Thereエs also a possibility about Yorkshire hosting an event in May as well but details are a bit vague.


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Thereエs also a possibility about Yorkshire hosting an event in May as well but details are a bit vague.


Article about Yorkshire and CONIFA on BBC website last month

http://www.bbc.co.uk/.../uk-england-41974384


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Apparently Yorkshire are playing Ellan Vannin on 28/01/18 at Yorkshire Nu-Builds Stadium, Fitzwilliam, West Yorkshire.
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On 06/05/18 Surrey are playing Barawa at Fisher.
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The draw for the CONIFA 2018 World Cup was made earlier today in Northern Cyprus. The games are being played in London & the probable 4 venues still to be decided. A couple of teams were put in different pots after an error was spotted.
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GROUP 1
1. Barawa
2. Ellan Vannin
3. Tamil Eelam
4. Cascadia
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GROUP 2
1. Abkhazia
2. Northern Cyprus
3. Felvidek
4. Tibet
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GROUP 3
1. Padania
2. Szekely Land
3. Kiribati
4. Matabeleland
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GROUP 4.
1. Panjab
2. United Koreans of Japan
3. Western Armenia
4. Kabylie
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Fixtures etc to be sorted but the rough schedule (apparently) would probably be the following with time slots varying a tad from day to day:
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30/05/18 - Team arrives
31/05/18 - 8 group games
01/06-18 - rest day
02/06/18 - 8 group games
03/06/18 - 8 group games
04/06/18 - rest day
05/06/18 - 4 quarter-finals & 4 x 9th to 16th place games
06/06/18 - rest day
07/06/18 - 2 semi-finals, 2 x 5th to 8th place games, 2 x 9th to 12th place games & 2 x 13th to 16th place games
08/06/18 - rest day
09/06/18 - Final & 7 other placement games
10/06/18 - Team departures


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

The CONIFA has a disparate selection of members, and seems not to take too much notice of who or where they are.
Hence a large portion of the teams are British based

Looking at the 16 for the World Cup we have
1) Genuine nations which could progress to FIFA
Kiribati

2) Disputed states who cannot get recognition for political reasons, (already self governing)
Northern Cyprus
Abkhazia

3) Tibet. Run from the Tibet "government in exile".
As a country, Tibet broke away from China in 1911, and was "invaded" in 1950.
The government in exile was started with CIA funding as an attempt to destabilise China, but after China-USA relations were normalised (Nixon!), they have had to make do with the occasional donation from Hollywood. [This may be a biased assessment]
The Chinese government suffers from paranoia over Tibet representation, which gives them more publicity than ignoring things like the football team and the Dalai Lama

4) Diaspora from specific groups of people
Tamil Eelan - UK, Canada, Switzerland. The people are ethnically connected to the Tamil states in Sri Lanka, which fought a long but losing civil war. There are also Tamil areas in India. Much of the Indian communities in Malaysia and Singapore are Tamil, but they are not in this team.
Barawa - Somalis in UK
Panjab - people from the Punjab region, in UK.


5) Minority Populations, (as a method of bonding a community)
Felvidek - Hungarians in Slovakia
Western Armenia - in Turkey
United Koreans in Japan - there is a large community of Koreans in Japan, known as Zainichi. They also have a team in the Japanese non-league levels. They have suffered from citizenship issues since the second world war. Many have family allegiance to North Korea, but don't want to live there. They send money to their cousins across the water.
Szekely Land - Hungarians is the Szekely area of Romania

6) Regional non-nations teams
Cascadia - Western USA/Canada borders
Padania - Northern Italy, a bit more contentious, as this is the area where the Lega Nord would like independence
Matabeleland - Western Zimbabwe
Kabylie - Area within Algeria
Ellan Vannin - Isle of Man

I am sure some on here will debate my analysis




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Re: [leohoenig] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Apparently fixtures & venues will be released in dribs & drabs.


Matches being played at Sutton Utd:


Thursday 31st May: 12:00 Group 1: Ellan Vannin (v) Cascadia
Thursday 31st May: ????? Group 3: Padania (v) Matabeleland
Tuesday 5th June: 15:00: Quarter Final: A1 v B2
Tuesday 5th June: 18:00: Quarter-Final: A2 V B1
Thursday 7th June: 12:00: bottom 4 match
Thursday 7th June: 15:00: quarter-final losers


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Bromley FC has been announced to host some games

Matches at Bromley FC's Hayes Lane:
5th June - 15.00 - Plate match (A3 v B4)
5th June - 18.00 - 1/4 final (C2 v D1)
7th June - 12.00 - Plate match (semi final for places 9-12)
7th June - 15.00 - Plate match (semi final for places 5-8)



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Re: [Spennyfan_chris] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Just looked into this, tickets are apparently already available for Bromley and Sutton games, at 」11 each. I was expecting that they'd be welcoming people in for free, or at least a minimal sum. Genuinely surprised at 」11.



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Re: [Andy D] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Or as most are double headers, that would be 」22. I would have thought they would have charged less. But still, must watch Tibet on 31st May.


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Or as most are double headers, that would be 」22. I would have thought they would have charged less. But still, must watch Tibet on 31st May.


Surely they are not going to clear the ground after the first match before the second lot of spectators are admitted.
The presence of Tibet in the competition will really piss off the Chinese (hopefully).



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Or as most are double headers, that would be 」22. I would have thought they would have charged less. But still, must watch Tibet on 31st May.


I have asked the question as to whether the 」11 covers two games of an Enfield Town director who rather berated me on Twitter. But from the advance ticket site already selling for the games at Bromley and Sutton, it does appear it's 」11 per game.

Edit: Said ETFC director has confirmed it is 」11 per game



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Re: [Andy D] CONIFA or Reply Privately

To be honest I would have been interested in a game or tow...but I'm not being ripped off at that price! Step Three this ain't!



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Re: [Mishi] CONIFA or Reply Privately

I was intending on watching games on the 3 weekend dates but I thought 」11 was a bit expensive for a double header. Now it appears it's 」11 for 1 game, I'm astounded. Not sure I'll bother now as much as I'd like to see these unusual games.


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Re: [pinewoodste] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Yep, that's me almost certainly not bothering either!!

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From a reply on Twitter: 」1 is a donation to one of the teams and 」1 is a booking fee. The remaining 」9 goes towards covering teams accommodation and other operational costs.

Probably staging the event in London is more expensive than elsewhere and hence you can question the choice of location.


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From a reply on Twitter: 」1 is a donation to one of the teams and 」1 is a booking fee. The remaining 」9 goes towards covering teams accommodation and other operational costs.

Probably staging the event in London is more expensive than elsewhere and hence you can question the choice of location.


Presumably if 」1 is a booking fee, then tickets should only be 」10 on the day. I wonder how sales are going?

Incidentally, CONIFA's Twitter feed states that Kiribati have withdrawn from the competition, to be replaced by Tuvalu.



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Re: [Andy D] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Matabeleland are having to crowdfund so their participation may be in some doubt.



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Re: [jrev61] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Both Kiribati and Tuvalu are associate members of the OFC, and I believe they would eventually be able to gain admission of FIFA if they applied.
With the cost and distance involved as well, it would not surprise me if someone had a quiet word and they withdrew as well before the tournament.



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Re: [Andy D] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Prices are a bit Meh, especially when you don't get two games. I may go, I may not, see how I feel nearer the time, probably wait for the knockout games in the latter stages



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Re: [RussWWFC] CONIFA or Reply Privately

I'm up for it, especially at Bromley. I'm not too worried about those prices (although I may hide in the bogs between matches). I'm more interested in whether there are going to be some kind of programmes/teamsheets. Can anyone confirm this?


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Re: [Lionarm] CONIFA or Reply Privately

This puts a few more bones onto the schedule, and will be updated as and when the rest of the detail is known

http://www.conifa.org/...-world-football-cup/



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Re: [leohoenig] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Interesting to see that of the five venues named so far, only one (Enfield) has a grass pitch. Given the unpredictable British climate, this is sensible, but what happens if it does rain a lot and the games at Enfield have to be called off?


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Interesting to see that of the five venues named so far, only one (Enfield) has a grass pitch. Given the unpredictable British climate, this is sensible, but what happens if it does rain a lot and the games at Enfield have to be called off?


I assume the reason that mostly 3G pitches have been selected is that are available as they are not being re-seeded over the summer, rather than because of any risk of postponement.



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http://www.conifa.org/en/2018/03/07/stadium-and-ticketing-information-for-conifas-2018-paddy-power-world-football-cup/


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Re: [Lionarm] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Has anyone got a clue what sort of standard we can expect? I've only ever paid for the final at the Island games, but I can't imagine this lot will be much stronger than Guernsey or the stronger teams in that.
But as long as the teams are fairly well matched I suppose it should be interesting, got no interest in joke games where one team hits double figures.


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Three teams got some thrashings in the last cup, but they are not left in the competition this time around.
Chagos suffered the worst.

I reckon if you come to the later stages, games will be fairly well matched
Of course, if you watch the 15th/16th placement game, then don't expect it to be as good as the final!



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Has anyone got a clue what sort of standard we can expect? I've only ever paid for the final at the Island games, but I can't imagine this lot will be much stronger than Guernsey or the stronger teams in that.
But as long as the teams are fairly well matched I suppose it should be interesting, got no interest in joke games where one team hits double figures.


The quality varies, obviously. From full amateur to mostly full-pro.
A good measure is the Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man). They competed in the last Island Games and in our last European Football Cup. While they finished 6th out of 8, winning a single match, in our European Football Cup, they quite comfortably won the Island Games shortly after.
In fact, the European Football Cup was a tad stronger even, as a few lads couldn't afford travelling to the Island Games (which the FA charges for), while playing the European Football Cup was cost-free for the participating players.
Guernsey, which you can refer to, is roughly of the same standard as Ellan Vannin/Isle of Man.

The most pro teams will be Western Armenia, Northern Cyprus and Abkhazia, who will mostly field pro players (a few Armenian national team players, Abkhazia fields a lad with 80+ matches for Syria, etc).
Those should be followed by Panjab, Ellan Vannin, United Koreans, Szekely Land and Felvidek, who will play with a mostly semi-pro squad (Hungarian 2nd div, japanese 2nd Div, English Division One, etc).
The others are impossible to hard to estimate, as they rarely played or never played intercontinental. Any follow up questions - let me know!


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Re: [CONIFAGenSec] CONIFA or Reply Privately

''The most pro teams will be Western Armenia, Northern Cyprus and Abkhazia, who will mostly field pro players (a few Armenian national team players, Abkhazia fields a lad with 80+ matches for Syria, etc).''


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Re: [dottirofhod] CONIFA or Reply Privately

I actually went to the last CONIFA World Cup in Abkhazia, and it was fun.

I wrote about it (warning: long read)


http://myrandomfootball.blogspot.co.uk/...-beyond-borders.html

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The quality varies, obviously. From full amateur to mostly full-pro.
A good measure is the Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man). They competed in the last Island Games and in our last European Football Cup. While they finished 6th out of 8, winning a single match, in our European Football Cup, they quite comfortably won the Island Games shortly after.
In fact, the European Football Cup was a tad stronger even, as a few lads couldn't afford travelling to the Island Games (which the FA charges for), while playing the European Football Cup was cost-free for the participating players.
Guernsey, which you can refer to, is roughly of the same standard as Ellan Vannin/Isle of Man.

The most pro teams will be Western Armenia, Northern Cyprus and Abkhazia, who will mostly field pro players (a few Armenian national team players, Abkhazia fields a lad with 80+ matches for Syria, etc).
Those should be followed by Panjab, Ellan Vannin, United Koreans, Szekely Land and Felvidek, who will play with a mostly semi-pro squad (Hungarian 2nd div, japanese 2nd Div, English Division One, etc).
The others are impossible to hard to estimate, as they rarely played or never played intercontinental. Any follow up questions - let me know!


Thanks for that, looks like you could be the go to man for this tournament. Please keep us up to date with all that's happening.


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Dont normally read blogs but will have a look later at yours.
When you say long I hope its not in the same mould as the long winded turgid posts on WDYG on here.



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Yes, happy to help anytime.

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Dont normally read blogs but will have a look later at yours.
When you say long I hope its not in the same mould as the long winded turgid posts on WDYG on here.



Bit like your signature you mean Mr Hod? Please edit it... I think the joke is past its sell by date now... Thanks


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Will also do later on but I thought there was or should be a limit to signatures ?
Glad you saw it for what it was a joke aimed at those that like such things but it still didn't help in reducing a few signatures.
I don't have to read them as I have the box ticked not to read.
If people need to have signatures perhaps a limit of 2 or 3 lines ?



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Re: [dottirofhod] CONIFA or Reply Privately

Thanks... I will keep a look out for any that are like yours. We don't want to hijack this thread so PM me any further thoughts or concerns

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Meanwhile, back on topic, four matches in Bracknell have been added to the list, but CONIFA still have to complete the grounds line up
http://www.conifa.org/...-world-football-cup/



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Will also do later on but I thought there was or should be a limit to signatures ?
Glad you saw it for what it was a joke aimed at those that like such things but it still didn't help in reducing a few signatures.
I don't have to read them as I have the box ticked not to read.
If people need to have signatures perhaps a limit of 2 or 3 lines ?


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Hi Sascha. Yes I'm planning on going to a few games, not on the scale of Abkhazia though. I'm on a football trip to Africa for the start of the tournament, but if my flights run to schedule I'm going to try and make a couple of games on the first Saturday.
I'm back in work on the Monday, but actually work a few miles north of London, so I might sneak off and make a game or two at Enfield or Haringey.

Then I will make a game or two on the second weekend. Is there any news where and when the Final stadium will be announced?


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Three matches at Slough Town
Panjab v Kabylia (31 May, 3 p.m.)
Panjab v Western Armenia (2 June, 5 p.m.)
Panjab v United Koreans in Japan (3 June, 6 p.m.)

Anyone know how much of the Panjabi diaspora lives near Slough?



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Aveley and Bedfont Sports have been added to the impressive list of grounds.
I think only the final and 3/4 play-off now to be clarified.

http://www.conifa.org/...-world-football-cup/
Paddy Power have been doing quite a bit of advertising for it, based on their "tweet" presence.
They were hoping to find a league venue for the finals, but I don't know if they have given up on that.
I am guessing they already know, but have held it back for a big announcement

It would fit the Paddy Power profile to announce they have Wembley on Sunday morning, and then say it is at Vale Farm in the afternoonSmile



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Anyone know how much of the Panjabi diaspora lives near Slough?


These might be able to help you
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I was going tending to go to some of these games but having been told by a fellow groundhopping mate that one of his colleagues from work is in one of the squads and has never been more than a Sunday league player, I am having second thoughts, especially if they want me to pay 11 quid for the privilege.
However, I could get some ticks pre-season. Such dilemmas !


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Price is expensive but have booked tickets for 3 games - some of the teams will be quite good so you can choose that way or teams who will have plenty of support from their communities in London


I chose to go as a novelty and does get me 3 new grounds with 2 on one day so worth it for some June football



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Price is expensive but have booked tickets for 3 games - some of the teams will be quite good so you can choose that way or teams who will have plenty of support from their communities in London


I chose to go as a novelty and does get me 3 new grounds with 2 on one day so worth it for some June football


I have to agree the novelty aspect and the chance for some ticks in June are tempting. Will probably be a late decision.


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Expensive? - Eleven quid to watch, for example, Tuvalu play Matabeleland is, in my humble opinion, an absolute bargain. For the cost of a packet of fags or three pints I値l get ninety minutes of entertainment on hopefully a lovely summer evening.
Based on my experience over the last few years the standard of the teams has little or no correlation to the level of entertainment provided.. In the last couple of weeks I the best two games I have seen have been at step seven, the worst two at steps 2 & 3.
Even though, as a pensioner, I値l be paying more than I have for any other games this years I will certainly watch a few gams at my local venues, Aveley, Enfield & Haringey.
I do have one problem, which season do I include any games in for my records, 2017/18 or 2018/19?


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One problem, which season do I include any games in for my records, 2017/18 or 2018/19?


I cannot answer for you, but I can say that I will be counting games in this as 2017/18.



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I use 15th June as the start date for the new season, seeing as that's a mainly football-free month



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Expensive? - Eleven quid to watch, for example, Tuvalu play Matabeleland is, in my humble opinion, an absolute bargain. For the cost of a packet of fags or three pints I値l get ninety minutes of entertainment on hopefully a lovely summer evening.
Based on my experience over the last few years the standard of the teams has little or no correlation to the level of entertainment provided.. In the last couple of weeks I the best two games I have seen have been at step seven, the worst two at steps 2 & 3.
Even though, as a pensioner, I値l be paying more than I have for any other games this years I will certainly watch a few gams at my local venues, Aveley, Enfield & Haringey.
I do have one problem, which season do I include any games in for my records, 2017/18 or 2018/19?


The FIFA year runs from 00.00 on 1st July to 23.59 on 30th June. Definitely 17/18 for me. But they're your records, go for whatever works for you.
(As an aside - I've decided that I can't die during the football season and am, therefore, I'm immortal)


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Expensive? - Eleven quid to watch, for example, Tuvalu play Matabeleland is, in my humble opinion, an absolute bargain. For the cost of a packet of fags or three pints I値l get ninety minutes of entertainment on hopefully a lovely summer evening.
Based on my experience over the last few years the standard of the teams has little or no correlation to the level of entertainment provided.. In the last couple of weeks I the best two games I have seen have been at step seven, the worst two at steps 2 & 3.
Even though, as a pensioner, I値l be paying more than I have for any other games this years I will certainly watch a few gams at my local venues, Aveley, Enfield & Haringey.
I do have one problem, which season do I include any games in for my records, 2017/18 or 2018/19?


The FIFA year runs from 00.00 on 1st July to 23.59 on 30th June. Definitely 17/18 for me. But they're your records, go for whatever works for you.
(As an aside - I've decided that I can't die during the football season and am, therefore, I'm immortal)


23:59:30 on June 30th?
Does FIFA define a time zone?



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Ooh. Good point. There could well be an overlap. I am immortal!


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Eleven quid is, as you say, an absolute bargain to watch Tuvalu versus Matabeleland --- as long as that is, indeed, what you are watching. But if what you are actually watching is half a dozen pub players, and some of their mates, from Wandsworth, versus half a dozen pub players, and some of their mates, from Edmonton, of whom none could find either Tuvalu or Matabeleland on a map if their very lives depended upon it, then eleven quid is quite expensive.

Pub football is pub football, however one dresses it up.

For my own part, I shall turn up at Sutton on May 31st and watch Cascadia, of whom I know nothing, take on Ellan Vannin, whom I know to be a middling-to-poor step eight side. After that I shall just wait and see how it goes.


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I watched all 12 sides at the last CONIFA World Cup, and the standard varied, and that's being kind.

The likes of Kurdistan and Abkhazia had players ho played League football in Iraq and Russia, whilst Padania had a couple of former Serie C players IIRC.
Panjab's star man was banging in loads of goals for Darlington at the time.

On the flip side, the likes of Chagos, Raetia and Somaliland were really pub sides. I got chatting to a few players from Chagos and Raetia and they all but admitted they were pub players.

I disagree about pointing out places on a map. The Chagos lads, though mostly, if not all, second generation, seemed passionate about their parents plight to return the islands to their people.

Although the football was similar to a standard I once played on a Sunday, the one day we took a trip to the second stadium in Gagra was thoroughly enjoyable, as I wrote in my Blog.
Saw a 3-3 draw with a farcical penalty shoot out, plus a 10-3 win for Szekely Land, who kindly let us travel on their team bus back to the capital.

Whilst I enjoyed 2016, and will try and make a few games this year, I do think they're spreading the tournment too wide. Is it really necessary to have 10 stadia, with a further possible edition?
Two years ago it was two, with 12 teams participating. Surely four grounds is plenty?


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Of course, you could easily operate on four stadiums only. It would make it easier for the organisers.
But spreading the competition out, they should be bringing it to a larger audience
Consider someone who lives in Bracknell, Wokingham or even Reading - interested in sport and football, but not a crazy like some on here.

This person is not going to Sutton or Carshalton to watch matches. They are not going to watch double headers on six different days in Bracknell
But there are three games in Bracknell only, they may go to one to see what it is all about

The same goes for the other venue
The organisers have sensibly set the Panjab matches for Slough and the Northern Cyprus in Enfield - where the best diaspora groups are placed

The organisers have being putting out a lot by twitter, but this only reaches the audience that is watching
They are a small organisation - perhaps others have seen how much they have put into the local communities to grab interest.
I expect some national press attention around the start of the tournament. They do not really want it now, with almost two months to go

Still waiting on the announcement on venue for the final.

I also wonder if any of the organisers are panicking behind the scenes, as they try to make arrangements for the teams.
Are any having trouble funding? Or with visas?



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Eleven quid is, as you say, an absolute bargain to watch Tuvalu versus Matabeleland --- as long as that is, indeed, what you are watching. But if what you are actually watching is half a dozen pub players, and some of their mates, from Wandsworth, versus half a dozen pub players, and some of their mates, from Edmonton, of whom none could find either Tuvalu or Matabeleland on a map if their very lives depended upon it, then eleven quid is quite expensive.

Pub football is pub football, however one dresses it up.

For my own part, I shall turn up at Sutton on May 31st and watch Cascadia, of whom I know nothing, take on Ellan Vannin, whom I know to be a middling-to-poor step eight side. After that I shall just wait and see how it goes.


What you say could well be correct, but where did the players come from for the last tournament? I'm sure all the Countries didn't happen to have a squad of pub footballers close by to get them to play.
I suppose we'll just have to wait for the tournament programme, hopefully that will give us the birth place of the competitors, but it might not.


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(As an aside - I've decided that I can't die during the football season and am, therefore, I'm immortal)


Following the Pope's recent comment that Hell does not exist and sinners merely disappear, there was a letter in a national newspaper which commented that this was hardly going to discourage sin because, according to the letter writer, there is nothing more awful than the prospect of eternal life.


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The Chagos team were/are basically a pub side. They started playing in the Crawley local leagues, as that's where they mainly live. Looking and speaking to one or two Raetia lads two years, who were at the bar after the match before they'd even showered and changed, suggested that Sunday mornings was their level.


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I think funding is the biggest hurdle some participants face.

I like to travel oversea's a couple of times a year, and when we decided on Abkhazia the cost astounded me. The recommended route was via Moscow and Sochi, but not only flights were expensive, a Russian visa was 」180, and that was basically for the couple of hours on Russian soil.

All the teams travelled that route, and I believe the Abhkazian government sorted the visa's, but travelling on a budget meant going the other way. We ended going via Poland and Georgia, which tecnically is an illegal crossing.

The Isle of Man didn't go on advice of the British government because of the legalities of entering the country.
Also there was a late pull out due to costs, can't remember who, but they were replaced by Pandania.

Some nations crowd funded their trips, though I believe all accomodation was provided by the government.

Having it in England does help some nations. Some are based here like Panjab and Barawa, and London is far more accessible than Abkhazia is/was for those travelling.

Saying that, and having met Per-Ander and Sascha, it's a thankless task trying to organise such an event. Hopefully it will be well attended and draw some much needed publicity.


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In Reply To

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(As an aside - I've decided that I can't die during the football season and am, therefore, I'm immortal)


Following the Pope's recent comment that Hell does not exist and sinners merely disappear, there was a letter in a national newspaper which commented that this was hardly going to discourage sin because, according to the letter writer, there is nothing more awful than the prospect of eternal life.

After watching Gosport v St Ives on Saturday, I'm inclined to agree.


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CONIFA have announced that the final two games are to be at Enfield.
I think this means they have not been able to secure a grander venue

I thought they had set two of the placement games on the final day for Enfield, and their web site does now show two games without a venue
Wikipedia shows these games at Meadowbank, Dorking. Will that even be available?
I am sure we will get an announcement from CONIFA soon

I want to see the lowest game (15th/16th play off) and the final on the last day
The low game is 12 noon at Bedfont - easily possible, although this means I might not make the 3/4 kick off.



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A man after my own heart. The 15/16 play off is likely to be my destination too.


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All about the grounds for me, been to them all but planning on revisits to Carshalton & Enfield

Haringey, I want to save my visit for a Haringey game as I did it for an Enfield 1893 game last time. Bracknell, Fisher, Bedfont, Slough, Sutton, Bracknell & Aveley, I've all done fairly recently.



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I'll be looking for a game or 2 on 31/5 and doubles on 2/3 June, any recommendations welcome, thanks :), they will all be new grounds to me


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What are you parameters - max teams or max grounds?
Public transport or car?

I may be able to offer a lift on the 31st from Sutton to Bromley



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Thank you
I'll probably have my car with me, so seeking two in a day where possible
What I'm not sure about is the local knowledge needed for London / local traffic etc at the times in question
I'd rather do 2 games at 2 different grounds rather than the double at the same ground but would welcome those with more local knowledge than me
Thanks


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Scott
I am doing 2 games on the 2nd - Bracknell at 2pm then onto Slough for 5pm game

Just one on the third, Isle of Man at Haringey



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What I'm not sure about is the local knowledge needed for London / local traffic etc at the times in question
I'd rather do 2 games at 2 different grounds rather than the double at the same ground but would welcome those with more local knowledge than me


A Carshalton (12), Sutton (3), Bromley (8) treble on 31st would be comfortably do-able by car. Despite heavy traffic at that time of day, you should even reach Bromley in good time for the opening ceremony at 7pm.


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2 Games at both Haringey & Enfield on the 2nd provide an easy double by car, less than 5 miles straight up the A10. It may also be just about possible by public transport (London Overground White Hart Lane to Turkey Street takes 10 mins).


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What I'm not sure about is the local knowledge needed for London / local traffic etc at the times in question
I'd rather do 2 games at 2 different grounds rather than the double at the same ground but would welcome those with more local knowledge than me


A Carshalton (12), Sutton (3), Bromley (8) treble on 31st would be comfortably do-able by car. Despite heavy traffic at that time of day, you should even reach Bromley in good time for the opening ceremony at 7pm.


Why not have a stress-free day and leave the car at home? A look at a detailed map of the area will show that the Carshalton and Sutton grounds should be no more than 30 minutes walk apart, at a guess (never actually tried it myself, admittedly)

As for the next two matches, there is plenty of time to get from Sutton to Bromley by train, even if you have to travel back to Victoria station to change trains. A bus from Sutton to Morden and then a tube to Brixton (changing at Stockwell, then train from Brixton to Bromley South) should also achieve the same objective.


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As for the next two matches, there is plenty of time to get from Sutton to Bromley by train, even if you have to travel back to Victoria station to change trains. A bus from Sutton to Morden and then a tube to Brixton (changing at Stockwell, then train from Brixton to Bromley South) should also achieve the same objective.


I used to commute out of Victoria, on the Bromley line.
So I am assuming this is a new definition of "stress free", that I had not been previously aware of.



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What I'm not sure about is the local knowledge needed for London / local traffic etc at the times in question
I'd rather do 2 games at 2 different grounds rather than the double at the same ground but would welcome those with more local knowledge than me


A Carshalton (12), Sutton (3), Bromley (8) treble on 31st would be comfortably do-able by car. Despite heavy traffic at that time of day, you should even reach Bromley in good time for the opening ceremony at 7pm.


Also on Thursday 31st, I'm thinking of attempting the matches at Haringey Borough (at noon), at Enfield Town (at 3pm), and finishing at Bromley (at 8pm), all by train. There'll be no dallying for the leg between Haringey and Enfield, but it is still easily do-able.


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Check out bus route 217 (Turnpike Lane - Waltham Cross) as this should prove easier and quicker to get from Haringey Borough to Enfield Town. You would have to walk to the A10 first (5 mins). The route then follows the A10

https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/route/217/

White Hart Lane and Cambridge Gardens are the respective bus stops



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Dorking's Meadowbank confirmed for two placement games on the final day
http://www.conifa.org/...-world-football-cup/

I've put this link in, as the easist way to work out matches day by day. I'm not certain it is still directly linked from the CONIFA site



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My preview for the competition is now on-line at http://www.leohoenig.com
(at the risk that the moderator will tell me that this has to go to shameless plugs Blush)



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Steve's o.k. it's the other fella, can't for the life of me think of his name, though I'm sure it begins with L Wink


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Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


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The CONIFA Twitter feed has confirmed that there will be a programme for the tournament, although it doesn't say whether it will be a 'paper' programme.
Another interesting snippet is that Marius Stankevicius who has 65 caps for Lithuania will be representing Padania.
This seems very much like cheating to me!



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CONIFA is a paper programme. They are trying to get people to pay in advance on-line and then collect at a match



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Another interesting snippet is that Marius Stankevicius who has 65 caps for Lithuania will be representing Padania.
This seems very much like cheating to me!

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Cheating , well he does play his football in Crema in Lombardy , Padania.






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Another interesting snippet is that Marius Stankevicius who has 65 caps for Lithuania will be representing Padania.
This seems very much like cheating to me!

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Indeed , cup winners medals in Lithuania , Spain & Italy.

Cheating , well he does play his football in Crema in Lombardy , Padania.





I guessed that was the case. So based on those qualifying rules will we be seeing De Gea, Salah and Aguero turning out for England in the World Cup?Smile



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Most of the preliminary squad lists can be found at http://www.conifa.org/...fc-2018-team-squads/
CONIFA has been hit by the withdrawal of Felvidek - the team for the Hungarian minority in Slovakia
[to be accurate, most of the suqad hailed from the Southern areas of Slovakia, where Hungarian is the majority language]

This is unfortunate, as they would have been one of the favourites - a quick look at the squad list shows most of the players are attached to clubs in the top two divisions of Slovakia and Hungary. Of course, I have not checked to see how many of these are first team players.

Their replacements are Karpatalya - another Hungary ethnic team, but in this case based in Ukraine

Looking at some of the squads
Abkhazia have named a team with players from their local league, and the lower divisions of the Russian leagues, with one player Anri Khagush from Arsenal.
That is Arsenal Tula - a top division Russian side. The 31 year old has played most of his career in Russia, and has played in half his teams games this season

Barawa have an alarming number listed as unattached or free agents, with the rest spread out mainly at non-league around London. Three though list their club as Dortmund Youth (in Kenya!!), while two state Jeddah Stars (Saudi Arabia).

Cascadia claim 8 of their squad are with USA level 4 teams, but only one of the names there was recognisable to me (Kitsap Pumas). While I think most of those from USA are actually with university teams, there could be a problem with actual level 4 players - as it clashes with their season. Much of the rest are with London and home counties non-League sides, but they do have Elgin City's Calum Ferguson, and Jordan Wilson who has been a regular for Nykobing, in the second level in Denmark

Only three of the Ellan Vannin squad are not with Manx clubs. The most intriguing being Conor Doyle, listed as Elite FC Dubai!. One player is with Bottesford, while Seamus Sharkey is with Sligo and had been playing in the League of Ireland

Kabylia are mixed from French and Algerian clubs, and a few in the UK - but I can not pin down any of their players. The couple with team names I instantly recognise are not on squad lists, but this means little a foot-national is not good in that respect. The one listed as with Creteil did not play when I saw the club

The Northern Cypriot team will be almost exclusively from the Northern Cypriot league

The Padania side is from levels 4-6 in Italy, including the international already mentioned

The Panjab squad is alomst exclusive to the UK, but unlike the other diaspora teams, appears to cover the whole country.

Most of the Szekely Land squad appears to play at the third level in Romania. A couple play Futsal, rather than the 11 a side game. There are also a small number playing in Hungary. Three play in the top division in Romania, with the two Sepsi players both apparently regulars.

The Tamil Eelam squad are hard to place, even though half of them are with English clubs are universities. The rest are dotted around Europe with one hailing from Canada

No club details are given for the Tibetans, most are thought to play only local football in India

Tuvalu's squad is all Tuvalu based

United Koreans - Yong Hak An is probably the first player to play in both CONIFA and FIFA final tournaments, assuming he plays this time. Much of the squad is in the lower divisions in Japan, with Min Cheol Son playing in the Hong Kong top division

Western Armenia - this is a very mixed squad, with players playing in seven different countries. Armenia itself is included, but not Western Armenia which is situated in Turkey

I do not know if others on here can say a little about the players where there are gaps in my knowledge or research - I will look further into a few of the squads as the tournament goes ahead. Matabeleland have not announced a squad yet, nor have Karpatalya.



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Any one else having trouble getting ordered tickets ?

I purchased a ticket for the Quarter Final at Bracknell on June 5 way back on April 10 but it still hasn't arrived. Have spoken to Eventim twice but they just say it'll come out when it's ready. My ticket for the 15/16 p[lace match Bedfont arrived weeks ago.


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From a reply on Twitter: 」1 is a donation to one of the teams and 」1 is a booking fee. The remaining 」9 goes towards covering teams accommodation and other operational costs.

Probably staging the event in London is more expensive than elsewhere and hence you can question the choice of location.


Presumably if 」1 is a booking fee, then tickets should only be 」10 on the day. I wonder how sales are going?


Despite having been told by someone on the organising committee via Twitter that tickets on the day would be the same price, it now appears (according to Aveley's Twitter feed) that tickets on the day are 」12. Not sure if that includes a donation to "costs" as the same post suggests online tickets are 」10.



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There is some doubt about Matabeleland's participation. They still haven't raised the money they need through crowdfunding, nor have they listed a squad. This despite there being only 3 days to go.
Not sure what would happen if they pull out. Would Hashtag United take their place? If not there will be 6 games less and no 15 and 16th place final.



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Guessing only, but I would have thought Yorkshire were more likely. Yorkshire are a member of CONIFA.



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Guessing only, but I would have thought Yorkshire were more likely. Yorkshire are a member of CONIFA.



True. But could their players arrange time off work, accommodation etc. at such short notice?
Hashtag have already offered to replace any team that pulls out, and their players presumably live near or in London, so would not need accommodation.

Surely CONIFA would prefer not to have to cancel games and refund ticket money even if it means having a non-member compete. The danger is of course that Hashtag could win the competition.



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No need for speculation - I have just had confirmation that they are due to fly to London tonight. Squad of 19 players



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No need for speculation - I have just had confirmation that they are due to fly to London tonight. Squad of 19 players


Good news. I can see 2 matches on Saturday without having to see Hashtag or Yorkshire!



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Yes Leo it was announced to ALL on their social media sites yesterday dinner time.



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Mycujo is the hub for the video streaming of CONIFA. Try this

https://mycujoo.tv/video/conifa



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It's a good site that , been using it to view Uzbekistan league games.
There's lots of strange stuff on it.



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I did not get to ask a question at the pre-tournament conference.
I had raised my hand to ask, but they picked the bloke from Sky Sports first, and he asked the question I was going to ask.

So, as well as the familiar red and yellow cards, there will also be a green card.
This will be somewhere in between the two - the player must leave the field, but a substitute can come on (if the full number of subs has not been used)
Mainly for offences of dissent and diving. I had a fuller explanation later from one of the referees. The ref in question normally referees in the Oberliga Mittelrhein.
Also teams will be allowed four substitutes.

With ten of the teams staying at the same accomodation in North London, they seemed to be getting on together well.
It was however notable that while players from most teams were sitting in the dining room, quite casually, they team from Padania were looking very professional, all coming in together and eating as a team. I think they are taking this very seriously and should be one of the favourites

Lowdown from Pers-Anders Blind
Group A: Expect Cascadia and Ellan Vannin to make the quarter-finals
Group B: Expect Tibet to finish bottom of group - not certain which of the others won't make quarter-finals
Group C: Padania and Szekely Land the favourites
Group D: The most open - Panjab probably group favourites



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CONIFA is a paper programme. They are trying to get people to pay in advance on-line and then collect at a match.

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See you've got yours , free of charge for media?





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No free programmes for Media, I paid 」5, Even Pers-Anders Blind was paying for a copy!



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there will also be a green card.
This will be somewhere in between the two - the player must leave the field, but a substitute can come on (if the full number of subs has not been used)
Mainly for offences of dissent and diving.


This is similar to the black card introduced a few years back in gaelic football for what were branded 'cynical behaviour fouls' such as deliberate body checks, trips or pull downs, as well as verbal abuse and remonstrating with a match official. As with most new rules it has been branded both the saviour and the death knell of the game, depending on who you read.


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I didn't go to any matches today due to the forecast thunder storms so I thought I'd watch some matches on Mycujoo.
What a waste of time! My first choice game was Abkhazia v. Tibet where the picture failed before kick off. So I tried the Matabeleland match but nothing from that one, switched to United Koreans of Japan v. Western Armenia. Endured 38 minutes of jerky picture then that failed too. Tried to go back to it but just got sound and a still picture. Don't know why they bothered.
Incidentally Tibet players were wearing nos 25 and 26 despite listing 1-23 on the squad listing. And there is still no squad listed for Matabeleland or Kabylia.
Not impressed by CONIFA's organisational skills!



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I have tried watching the highlights on the stream but gave up after a coup,e of frustrating minutes.
Simply, the footage visual footage did not work it was sound only. I then clicked on a link for one of the goals from the Panjab game and got the aftergoal celebration and even this was freeze frame almost animated. Absolute farce.
I hope the actual games are better than the 全treaming.


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I have tried watching the highlights on the stream but gave up after a coup,e of frustrating minutes.
Simply, the footage visual footage did not work it was sound only. I then clicked on a link for one of the goals from the Panjab game and got the aftergoal celebration and even this was freeze frame almost animated. Absolute farce.
I hope the actual games are better than the 全treaming.



I'm glad it's not just my computer! I tried to watch Northern Cyprus v. Karpatalya which was filmed by a local TV Company. The first half was fine apart from some intrusive adverts, but after a couple of minutes of the second half it threw me out. I tried to get back in again but twice the same thing happened after a minute or two of action. Also the streaming froze just before kick off so I was watching 30 minutes or so in arrears.
This is not a general problem with mycujoo as I watched a Singapore League game in its entirety yesterday.



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I must say I have similar problems with the Football League video feed. All the videos are on-line, but I have had a quick look and I am getting a very jerky view
The web site is not all it should be - not certain if some information is there and I can't find links.
Anyway these results come from the Mycujoo page

Group A:
Barawa 4-0 Tamil Eelam. Ellan Vannin 4-1 Cascadia

Group B:
Abkhazia 3-0 Tibet. Northern Cyprus 1-1 Karpatalya

Group C:
Padania 6-1 Matabeleland. Szekely Land 4-0 Tuvalu

Group D:
Panjab 8-0 Kabylia. United Koreans in Japan 0-0 Western Armenia



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I must say I have similar problems with the Football League video feed. All the videos are on-line, but I have had a quick look and I am getting a very jerky view
The web site is not all it should be - not certain if some information is there and I can't find links.
Anyway these results come from the Mycujoo page

Group A:
Barawa 4-0 Tamil Eelam. Ellan Vannin 4-1 Cascadia

Group B:
Abkhazia 3-0 Tibet. Northern Cyprus 1-1 Karpatalya

Group C:
Padania 6-1 Matabeleland. Szekely Land 4-0 Tuvalu

Group D:
Panjab 8-0 Kabylia. United Koreans in Japan 0-0 Western Armenia



Not very impressed that you can't even get results from the CONIFA website. Why couldn't they use some of the Paddy Power money to employ a temporary IT person to keep the website up to date with results, fixtures etc?
The best place for CONIFA results is our old friend Wikipedia. This has results, scorers and group tables.
Soccerway has no coverage of the tournament whatsoever.



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They are there now, although not so simple as wiki - CONIFA have the Padania result wrong and everyone has the wrong scorer for Padania's fifth goal
Unless Valente was wearing a number 16 shirt with the name Rosset on it, I would conclude that goal was scored by William Rosset.
Padania's facebook page is the one place that agrees with me here.

The trouble with the Paddy Power money is they spent it all on luxuries like putting all the players into accomodation.



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http://www.conifa.org/...-recap-day-1-may-31/



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http://kentishfootball.co.uk/news/baratami310518
Similar confusion over the teamsheets at Barawa v Tamil Eelan. The report at Kentish Football is better than the official one but it is critical of the organization.
The 'opening ceremony' was basically the players standing on the pitch with the odd flag and a charming Tibetan lady singing beautiful Tibetan anthems. Which was wonderfully amateurish. I'm thinking that the problem here is that on one hand CONIFA boasts of having no paid staff at all (I found the CONIFA reps very helpful) but are trying be a professional organization and are probably charging professional prices for their matches - and the programme. I personally don't begrudge them because I consider the charges to include an element of charity.
However, at the risk of losing the charm, I think the only way forward for them is to have paid staff so that they can up their game.
What do you think guys?


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Paid staff requires a significant increase in income. Despite the comment about the team list, the list of players Kentish football has (by going by squad numbers on the web site), and the team list showed the same players. I'll be dissapointed if they do not do better at the weekend.
I have submitted comments to the competition, including Jrev's one about poor video feed. I doubt if the video feed can be fixed, I assume it is bandwidth at the upload.
I have looked at some of the highlight videos, and they are OK



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Same players but wrong numbers.


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Still no squads listed on the website for Kabylia or Matabeleland.



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Anyone going to games at Enfield Town by car should be aware that there is a 」5 charge for the car park by the ground which is normally free.
Street parking in the immediate area is pretty limited but once you are in Donkey Lane turning around can be tricky.


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Anyone going to games at Enfield Town by car should be aware that there is a 」5 charge for the car park by the ground which is normally free.
Street parking in the immediate area is pretty limited but once you are in Donkey Lane turning around can be tricky.


Cheers for that as I知 heading down for the 5pm game tomorrow. Will look to park a few streets away and walk.


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http://kentishfootball.co.uk/news/baratami310518
Similar confusion over the teamsheets at Barawa v Tamil Eelan. The report at Kentish Football is better than the official one but it is critical of the organization.
The 'opening ceremony' was basically the players standing on the pitch with the odd flag and a charming Tibetan lady singing beautiful Tibetan anthems. Which was wonderfully amateurish. I'm thinking that the problem here is that on one hand CONIFA boasts of having no paid staff at all (I found the CONIFA reps very helpful) but are trying be a professional organization and are probably charging professional prices for their matches - and the programme. I personally don't begrudge them because I consider the charges to include an element of charity.
However, at the risk of losing the charm, I think the only way forward for them is to have paid staff so that they can up their game.
What do you think guys?


What do I think ? I think paid staff will obviously need to be funded and that will invariably be passed onto the consumer, ie the paying punter, thus pushing up the admission prices. I imagine the professional prices you refer to go some way to offset the costs of team flights, accomadatioon, transport, hire of grounds, match officials etc.
CONIFA have come in for some serious criticism on here and elsewhere and I think they should be cut some slack. Yes, maybe the organisation could be refined ( I have not personally sampled it yet so cannot properly comment). However, these folks are volunteers, who are bringing a tournament which minor gripes aside seems to be enjoyed by those who have attended and more importantly, those who have performed. I would guess the entire organisation has been a logistical nightmare, but this is not 禅he World Cup, with its multi sponsorship corporate arrangements and media overload, despite what some (Including Stephen McCartney of Kentish Football) seem to think. It is the opposite end of the spectrum, and the chance to see something a little different, teams with genuine pride in representing their home territories performing.
A little bit of roughness around the edges won稚 hurt. When I get to attend, I will look forward to a good game of footy, hopefully in a decent atmosphere and a tick or two to boot. Anything else such as a teamsheet will be a bonus, and those who have brought this tournament to us should be praised.


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The teamsheets were far better organised on day 2. Most or all were also put out on twitter
Conifa's own summary of results http://www.conifa.org/...-recap-day-2-june-2/
Reports say a very good crowd, around 1200 at Enfield, but not so great elsewhere. I reckon about 250 at Bracknell, 400 at Slough for my games

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Barawa 1 Cascadia 2
Abkhazia 0 Karpatalya 2
Sz駝ely Land 5 Matabeleland 0
UTD Koreans 0 Kabylia 0
Ellan Vannin 2 Tamil Eelam 0
N. Cyprus 3 Tibet 1
Padania 8 Tuvalu 0
Panjab 0 W. Armenia 1



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I was at both games at Haringey. I estimated the crowd for the Szekely Land v. Matabeleland match at 400. Both teams had supporters.
The Padania v. Tuvalu match was watched by only about 180.
Padania had hardly any support, whilst Tuvalu had some English fans cheering for them.
I managed to scrounge teamsheets at both games. Squad numbers sometimes differ from those on the CONIFA website, although the players are the same. The Kabylia and Matabeleland squads are listed in the programme.
Tuvalu listed the numbers of the starting XI on the far right of the teamsheet. Unfortunately this was partly cut off when photocopying. The players did have their names on their shirts. One was called Nukualofa which is the capital of Tonga, albeit with an apostrophe after the 'u'.
The second match was held up because the Szekely Land team would not leave the pitch after the match, meaning that the changing room for Padania was not available until 4.30, so the match kicked off 30 minutes late. Ignorant and inconsiderate of them if you ask me!



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Went to three games this weekend.

United Koreans 0-0 Kabylie (Bracknell). Poor game between two poor teams. UKJ completely dominanted possession (about 80% I think) and by far the better technically, but had no cutting edge and were very sloppy in the final third. Kabylie were very limited, didn't seem to understand the offside rule (their #6 on the wing was offside half a dozen times and seemed really confused every time he was flagged). 0-0 looked pretty inevitable from the middle of the second half onwards. Kabylie had a few more fans than UKJ. They were very loud and brought their own loudspeaker for the second half to blast out some tunes!

Karpalyja 5-1 Tibet (Bracknell). Great performance from the winners. Played neat, tidy, fast attacking football and could and should have scored more - shame they brought at most half a dozen fans, none of whom were wearing team colours. A couple of hundred Tibetans, of all ages and including plenty of women and children, who put on a cultural performance at half time and made loads of noise. Tibet also played tidy football but simply weren't as sharp or as fit as their opponents, who were very good considering they came in as late replacements.

Panjab 1-1 UKJ (Slough). Much better performance from UKJ who were still mostly ineffective in the final third, but dominated possession yet again against a fairly limited Panjab side who I really can't see winning it. They won an early penalty which was smartly saved by the Korean keeper, and should have had their own in the second, before Panjab won a soft penalty which looked like a dive to me. No mistake from the spot this time. UKJ continued to battle before equalising with a sumptuous half volley from 30 yards into the top corner in injury time. Not enough for them sadly.


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Panjab 1-1 UKJ (Slough). Much better performance from UKJ who were still mostly ineffective in the final third, but dominated possession yet again against a fairly limited Panjab side who I really can't see winning it. They won an early penalty which was smartly saved by the Korean keeper, and should have had their own in the second, before Panjab won a soft penalty which looked like a dive to me. No mistake from the spot this time. UKJ continued to battle before equalising with a sumptuous half volley from 30 yards into the top corner in injury time. Not enough for them sadly.


That was some goal the Koreans scored wasn稚 it?
Re the second penalty, from where I was, far side from main stand, halfway, it looked a clear one. Certainly most where we were thought so. Loved the Korean side, real pleasure to watch.


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Quarter-finals tomorrow. As the tournament gives six fixtures to every team, to end up with a 1-16 ranking, there are also lower bracket quarter finals with the teams finishing third in the groups playing those who finished fourth

Upper bracket - for places 1-8
Barawa v Northern Cyprus (Sutton Unted, 3)
Padania v Panjab (Bracknell, 3)
Karpatalya v Cascadia (Sutton, 6)
Western Armenia v Szekely Land (Bromley, 6)

Lower bracket - for places 9-16
Ellan Vannin v Tibet (Bromley, 3)
Matabeleland v Kabylia (Enfield, 3)
Abkhazia v Tamil Eelam (Aveley, 6)
United Koreans in Japan v Tuvalu (Bracknell, 6)



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I have submitted comments to the competition, including Jrev's one about poor video feed. I doubt if the video feed can be fixed, I assume it is bandwidth at the upload.


Indeed it was, Leo.

I was filming as a freelancer for FC Video/CONIFA and did the three group games at Enfield Town (QEII Stadium) for them that did not involve Northern Cyprus, who were being covered by a Turkish/Northern Cypriot company from Palmers Green (North London)...although they had the same problems that I did.

It's the solid stone roof and walls of the main stand at the QEII blocking the signals, whether attempting to connect using 4G or Wi-Fi. They don't have any ethernet connection points in that stand. They don't even have mains power in there. Something to do with Enfield Council not allowing it because it is a listed building ?
Basically, most of the Non-League grounds being used here are just not built for live streaming and the sort of media coverage that has been attracted.
Heck of a lot of supporters using up the bandwidth doing their own live streaming on Facebook/Periscope using mobiles and tablets as well. Not the sort of thing that happens in Non-League as those of us who are regularly involved at that level know the rules.
CONIFA reps were trying to stop them, but it was a futile task.

F.Y.I., the games I filmed were Abkhazia v. Tibet on Thursday, Abkhazia v. Karpatalya on Saturday and Western Armenia v. Kabylia yesterday.
FC Video are doing the highlights editing, but hopefully all three games will be online soon.



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Caught the Karpatalja (which I still can't spell) v Tibet game yesterday. Looked like it might have been a goal fest when Tibet conceded a basic goal early on but they kept it respectable and their consolation strike was some goal! It finished 5-1 and while the football wasn't top drawer, the effort was and the mostly Tibetan crowd were in terrific voice throughout the game.

If I can get to another game before it's all over I will!



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Will tickets be available on the gate for the final at Enfield on Saturday? Not sure if they're expecting a capacity crowd but the 6pm KO makes a double possible with rugby league - London Skolars v Hunslet - 3pm @ New River Stadium.


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Check out bus route 217 (Turnpike Lane - Waltham Cross) as this should prove easier and quicker to get from Haringey Borough to Enfield Town. You would have to walk to the A10 first (5 mins). The route then follows the A10

https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/route/217/

White Hart Lane and Cambridge Gardens are the respective bus stops

The London Overground line between Hackney Downs and Enfield Town/Cheshunt via Seven Sister is closed for engineering works on Saturday 9th/Sunday 10th June so this bus route will be the only way of getting to the final.


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Will tickets be available on the gate for the final at Enfield on Saturday? Not sure if they're expecting a capacity crowd but the 6pm KO makes a double possible with rugby league - London Skolars v Hunslet - 3pm @ New River Stadium.


I am planning this double and will be getting the bus from New River to Enfield. See you there Michael.


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In Reply To
Check out bus route 217 (Turnpike Lane - Waltham Cross) as this should prove easier and quicker to get from Haringey Borough to Enfield Town. You would have to walk to the A10 first (5 mins). The route then follows the A10

https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/route/217/

White Hart Lane and Cambridge Gardens are the respective bus stops

The London Overground line between Hackney Downs and Enfield Town/Cheshunt via Seven Sister is closed for engineering works on Saturday 9th/Sunday 10th June so this bus route will be the only way of getting to the final.



Brimsdown station is still open. This is not that much further than Enfield Town or Southbury. If there is a big crowd for the final and more people waiting for the bus than there are spaces on the bus, the driver will probably just let people off then drive on without letting anyone on. This seems to be a London thing and has happened to me twice, leaving me with a long walk on both occasions.



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Looks like some problems for CONIFA
First we had this statement
http://www.conifa.org/...wa-and-ellan-vannin/

Which seemed to me to be straightforward. Ellan Vannin protest, but lost the appeal - which was apparently voted on twice (same outcome both times)

But now we get this tweeet today https://twitter.com/...961186411515905?s=20



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My feeling is that Ellan Vannin have betrayed the spirit of the competition and those of their fans who are in London for the week
They may think the decision is unfair, but they should still get on with it and play the game



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My feeling is that Ellan Vannin have betrayed the spirit of the competition and those of their fans who are in London for the week
They may think the decision is unfair, but they should still get on with it and play the game


Agreed. Act with dignity instead of throwing your toys out of the pram. Sometimes things go against you even if you believe you've done nothing wrong. It's called life.


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Agree. No matter how hard done by you feel, you carry on. Let's face it is not a very major tournament is it? I'm still going to see Tibet play at Bromley anyway.
As they don't see fit to play in the competition, are they going to withdraw from CONIFA as well? In which case they will cease to exist. Talk about cutting your nose off.


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In which case they will cease to exist. Talk about cutting your nose off.

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They have just resigned. Tibet will be awarded a 3-0 walkover but will play a friendly against 'Turkish Football' instead.

This really has been a massive headloss from Isle of Man who themselves requested player changes after the deadline (along with 12 out of the 16 teams).

It's an amateur tournament run by volunteers who have had to process hundreds of visas from all corners of the globe as well as sort out 10 grounds in and around the capital. They've said in their statement that the amount of team changes were overwhelming so they just let everyone do it. The player the Isle of Man are complaining about played 2/3 matches for Barawa anyway, the only one he missed was against Tamil Eelam, who are one of the weakest teams in the competition and were beaten by Barawa 4-0!

They've spent the last two days complaining on Twitter about how far they've had to travel and how much money they've had to spend but are apparently fine to pull out of a match against Tibet at the last minute. Sorry if there are any Manx fans on here but to my mind they have utterly disgraced themselves here.



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By the way, I would recommend taking in a game at CONIFA. Went down this weekend and it's a lovely atmosphere and should be a decent standard if you stick to the winner's bracket.



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Absolutely agree that Ellan Vannin's behaviour is completely wrong and not in the spirit of CONIFA. I'm now rather looking forward to Chagos Islands v Matabeleland on Thursday (or whoever they're playing), it'll be a more open and attacking spectacle that the Manx were likely to serve up.


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I think that you are completely correct. Tibet's game with London Turkish Select was plenty entertaining. I have it on good authority that the Chagos Islands will be invited to take the place of Ellan Vannin; they might have played Tibet today if circumstances had permitted it.
The Manx team had a completely transparent appeal process which was enacted twice. The appeal failed twice on CONIFA member's votes. They were also implored to reconsider their withdrawal.
IMO, CONIFA could have done nothing more and are in no way to blame on a situation which is (to quote a spokesman) as sad for Ellan Vannin as it is for CONIFA.


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Agree that that Ellan Vannin's behaviour was an absolute disgrace. But CONIFA should be ashamed of themselves too.
I went to the Tibet game and only found out that they were playing a Turkish team because someone in the stand 30 minutes before the game saw it on Twitter, there were no announcements at that point. When the teams were read out the match was still described as a placement match not a friendly. They also had the nerve to charge 」12 for a friendly.
Have they not heard of the Trades Descriptions Act?
Also why did they not announce this sooner? They had time to arrange alternative opposition, so they must have had time to put something on Twitter before 1.30. If I had known I would have gone to the 2 games at Sutton instead.
I didn't bother to pay for the second game at Bromley so I got to watch two games for 」12 anyway!
I hear the final is virtually sold out with over 2,000 tickets sold. Half of those won't get a proper view of the game. Not sure why such a poor ground has been selected for the final. Sutton United would be a much better choice. Bromley is unavailable due to a youth tournament.
It is unlikely that I shall be watching anymore games in this tournament. I was really looking forward to it too, but like most things in life it has turned out to be a massive disappointment!



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For Thursday, games are

Semi-Finals
Northern Cyprus v Padania @Carshalton 5 p.m.
Karpatalya v Szekely Land @Carshalton 8 p.m.

Placement games, places 5-8
Barawa v Panjab @Bromley 3 p.m.
Cascadia v Western Armenia @Sutton 3 p.m.

Placement games, places 9-12
Tibet v Kabilya @Enfield, 12 noon
Abkhazia v United Koreans in Japan @Bromley 12 noon

Placement game, Places 13-16
Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu @Sutton, 12 noon

Friendly game
Matabeleland v Chagos Islands @Aveley, 12 noon

-if there is any further announcement on Chagos, then I will post again
My understanding is that Matabeleland will be in the 13/14 place match and Chagos will play the loser of the Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu game regardless of the result at Aveley



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"But CONIFA should be ashamed of themselves too."
Well, an alternative view is that they performed a miracle in getting alternative opponents.
"I went to the Tibet game and only found out that they were playing a Turkish team because someone in the stand 30 minutes before the game saw it on Twitter, there were no announcements at that point."I only found out because I checked this website first. Up to 10.00 they were still trying to convince Ellan Vallin to stay in. I didn't have to leave until 2, the rearranged match was settled by then, but I would agree that communications with Bromley could have been better.
"When the teams were read out the match was still described as a placement match not a friendly."
I agree that there was confusion.

"They also had the nerve to charge 」12 for a friendly. Have they not heard of the Trades Descriptions Act?"
Actually this was surely a gatesman's mistake, or lack of knowledge. CONIFA announced that pre-purchased tickets could be refunded on the gate therefore the first match should have been free. I gave 」12 because I knew that I was staying for the second game. However I was given a ticket for the first game only -which I also consider a mistake.
"Also why did they not announce this sooner? They had time to arrange alternative opposition, so they must have had time to put something on Twitter before 1.30. If I had known I would have gone to the 2 games at Sutton instead."Don't really follow twitter so I don't know.
"I didn't bother to pay for the second game at Bromley so I got to watch two games for 」12 anyway!"I don't think that there was ever an intention to strictly enforce the pay per game format but it wouldn't have made sense to announce this. Having run a retail business I believe that the price point was wrong.If it had been 」9 there may have been little complaint, although I would have made early rounds a fiver to get interest going. There should be increased admission charges towards the final. The brochure was a brilliant design and a fiver compares favourably with Wembley. However, I would also have paid 50p-」1 for teamsheets, which were free.

"I hear the final is virtually sold out with over 2,000 tickets sold.etc."I expect that there is good reason for choice of ground, (which I haven't been to) but its too far for me.
"It is unlikely that I shall be watching anymore games in this tournament. I was really looking forward to it too, but like most things in life it has turned out to be a massive disappointment!"I suppose it depends on what you were expecting. The matches I have seen have been entertaining which being a pessimist, and along with programme/teamsheets, is about all I required. I would say that this tournament needs our support and I hope that you can see some positives and do get to another match.



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While CONIFA should perhaps have announced who would be playing Tibet earlier and 」12 is expensive for the standard of the teams involved I think CONIFA should be congratulated for getting alternative opposition at such short notice and for actually getting a tournament involving such diverse sides together at all despite the odd irritation.
Overall I have thoroughly enjoyed the tournament so far. The attitude of all those involved in the games I have seen, that taking part is what it痴 all about and winning is just a welcome bonus makes a pleasant change. This attitude has lead to a high level of entertainment in ALL the games I致e seen and coupled with the sheer joy of the fans has, in my view, meant the admission charge has been money well spent
Sad that the Isle of Man痴 actions are so out of step with the general tone of the tournament. However, if they felt it was a matter of honour I understand why they felt they had to withdraw. Perhaps if they hadn稚 途ested so many players in their final group game they might not have missed out on the chance of winning the tournament and their sense of honour might have been less developed.


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The initial announcement of the change appears to have been on twitter at 12.26.
Clearly, CONIFA had some notice as they announced the Manx withdrawal and the Turkish stand in at the same time.

I do not think they intended to make the game free, but were just offering refunds to those who had paid in advance and no longer wanted to go.

One of the lessons they will have learned from this tournament is that it is difficult to play double headers in quick succession and clear the ground between them
I suspect the admission costs and receipts were less of a question at the earlier tournaments

It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament



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Friendly game
Matabeleland v Chagos Islands @Aveley, 12 noon

-if there is any further announcement on Chagos, then I will post again
My understanding is that Matabeleland will be in the 13/14 place match and Chagos will play the loser of the Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu game regardless of the result at Aveley


This is confirmed, Matabeleland play the friendly, but have an effective walkover into the 13/14 play-off. The Chagos Islands will therefore play a friendly at Bedfont on Sunday against the loser of Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu



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Friendly game
Matabeleland v Chagos Islands @Aveley, 12 noon

-if there is any further announcement on Chagos, then I will post again
My understanding is that Matabeleland will be in the 13/14 place match and Chagos will play the loser of the Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu game regardless of the result at Aveley


This is confirmed, Matabeleland play the friendly, but have an effective walkover into the 13/14 play-off. The Chagos Islands will therefore play a friendly at Bedfont on Sunday against the loser of Tamil Eelam v Tuvalu


Matabeleland are auctioning a place in their team as a late substitute and Bruce Grobelaar may be starting at 60.!



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Very disappointed by the actions of the Isle of Man which has rendered the placement half of the draw (a great idea in the spirit of the competition) a bit of a mess.

It is surely the nature of a competition like this that squad withdrawals and changes are so common and inevitable owing to travel costs, visas, work commitments etc that all teams are liable to be cobbling together squads as the tournament approached. Indeed from what I've read numerous teams (including Manx) made squad changes after the deadline likely owing to these myriad of reasons.

Personally I'd be pretty embarrassed if my team was to lose on the pitch and then go running to volunteer organisers trying to get the opposition thrown out over a technicality. To then completely throw the toys out of the pram after the appeal didn't go their way is just sad and leaves a sour taste in what has been a very enjoyable event in the games I managed to get to.

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I spent the weekend down in London last week for the group games and had such a great time at all four games I attended. The quality is diverse and some teams clearly better than others, but the fact that people have the opportunity to identify with Tibet or Matabeleland is something CONIFA should be applauded for. The atmosphere has been brilliant at all games as well, much more noise than I hear at plenty of league games.

The only constructive comment I have is that the kick off times could be spaced out a bit more to allow for travel between venues. Admittedly I had a list of a few teams I wanted to see which meant travelling across London and thus having to leave the first game early to make the second, but if kick off times were say 12 and 4 rather than 2 and 5 it might encourage people to double up on games while making a visit.


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Very disappointed by the actions of the Isle of Man which has rendered the placement half of the draw (a great idea in the spirit of the competition) a bit of a mess.

It is surely the nature of a competition like this that squad withdrawals and changes are so common and inevitable owing to travel costs, visas, work commitments etc that all teams are liable to be cobbling together squads as the tournament approached. Indeed from what I've read numerous teams (including Manx) made squad changes after the deadline likely owing to these myriad of reasons.

Personally I'd be pretty embarrassed if my team was to lose on the pitch and then go running to volunteer organisers trying to get the opposition thrown out over a technicality. To then completely throw the toys out of the pram after the appeal didn't go their way is just sad and leaves a sour taste in what has been a very enjoyable event in the games I managed to get to.

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Nail on head.



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Re: [PartizanBristle] CONIFA or Reply Privately

I would say a bigger issue regarding Barawa than the late registration of Bettamer would be whether he and numerous other players in the squad actually have any links to Somalia, who Barawa claim to be representing.


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Ellan Vannin provisionally expelled from CONIFA.

http://www.conifa.org/en/2018/06/06/conifa-statement-regarding-ellan-vannin-7-june/



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Hopefully, I get this all right - these are the final day fixtures

Midday Kick-offs
15th Place/Friendly game, at Bedfont.
Tuvalu v Chagos Islands
13/14 Place, at Aveley. Tamil Eelam v Matabeleland
11/12 Place, at Fisher. Tibet v United Koreans of Japan

15.00 Kick-offs.
9/10 Place, at Haringey.
Kabilya v Abkhazia
7/8 Place, at Aveley. Barawa v Western Armenia
5/6 Place, at Fisher. Panjab v Cascadia
3/4 Place, at Enfield. Padania v Szekely Land

The FINAL, 18.00, at Enfield
Northern Cyprus v Karpatalya

My original plan was the 15/16 play-off game, but this went by the wayside when the Manx side pulled out
The 13/14 place then comes in, as the lowest possibility
However, despite my reluctance to "tick" a ground for this, I now think I will go to Fisher - specifically to watch Tibet, which is the only one of the 16 I have not seen in action. I can imagine some noise from the direction of Crewe, and in my own head, I will have to go back there soon.





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Leo, I cannot believe a man of your calibration has not been to Fisher yet!!
I am sure there are not many grounds I have done that you have not ;)
Enjoy. It is a bit spartan but it is okay and the backdrop is pretty good.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


The Isle of Man was mentioned as a possible host for the next CONIFA World Cup. Suspect that won't now happen.
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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


From a selfish perspective I agree with you, however that is not really in the spirit of it all. Having seen some images from previous events it looks as though they were generally better supported I guess with local fans. I would though happily have another CONIFA soon!


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


If Barawa can host a tournament in London, surely Kabylia could host one in Paris?



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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.


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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.


Bawara started with 7, an 8th appeared after 10 minutes and 2 more on the team sheet who were supposedly on their way never arrived. There were also a few injured players present.

The Barawa keeper played a blinder and made more quality saves than goals he conceded. Barawa created a few chances on the break and even got a penalty which was easily saved by the keeper. The 8 men deserve praise for their performance in a game the would probably have lost with a full team.


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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.



I think having Barawa as a 'host nation' was in name only.
I suspect they played little or no part in the running of the tournament. I don't remember seeing any message from the Barawa FA in the programme. Being hosts did however allow them to play in the tournament. In hindsight this appears to have been a mistake. I doubt they will qualify for the next tournament and even if they did, would probably be unable to raise a side to play outside the UK.



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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


To be fair it痴 not hard to get 25 people of Indian descent together in England is it. Panjab isn稚 a place so other than being Punjabi they don稚 need to have links to anywhere.

How many of the Tibet players have links to Tibet, especially as none of them are attached to a club side anywhere in the world.



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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


To be fair it痴 not hard to get 25 people of Indian descent together in England is it. Panjab isn稚 a place so other than being Punjabi they don稚 need to have links to anywhere.

How many of the Tibet players have links to Tibet, especially as none of them are attached to a club side anywhere in the world.


Punjab is a place, and there's nothing to suggest that any of their players weren't born in the region or had parents/grandparents born there. Same applies to Tibet.

There are around 100k people of Somali descent in the UK so no reason why the Barawa team couldn't have been made up entirely from the UK community or from the Somali diaspora globally. They've admitted themselves on Twitter that they applied pretty broad eligibility criteria that included anyone married to someone of Somali descent or with Somalis in their families.

To be fair CONIFA have said that this doesn't explicitly break any rules but it's certainly something that needs looking at going forward.Blush


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Panjab isn稚 a place ...


Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


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Actually Panjab represented the region more usually known in English as 'Punjab' in Northwest India.
I believe the spelling is a transliteration matter.


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I believe the use of Panjab, rather than Punjab was deliberate. The region they claim to represent runs across the border to include areas in both India and Pakistan.

The majority, if not all of the Tibetan team are part of the exiled Tibetan community in India (I spoke briefly to a couple of players who confirmed this), although those of their supporters I spoke to appeared to be based in the UK

Prior to the tournament starting, I asked the CONIFA general secretary (Sascha) about eligibilty and he said the matter was left to the teams. Maybe this will change for future tournaments. It appears Barawa were not really prepared for the full ten day tournament, and their players did not take time off from work for the later matches. All the travelling teams, and other diaspora sides like Panjab seemed to relish the fact they had to play through the tournament. The heavy schedule did appear to have an effect on the final and 3/4 play-off where the intensity of the semi-finals may have left too little recovery time.

I also got the impression at the end that the teams in the bottom half of the draw, (those finishing 9th-15th) appreciated and celebrated the fact they were there more than those who had come closer to the main prize. Presenting every team with an apparently identical cup is a nice touch.



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Panjab isn稚 a place ...


Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


Pretty sure non of their players travelled from Afghanistan for the tournament though.



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Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


Pretty sure non of their players travelled from Afghanistan for the tournament though.


I think we've clarified it's not the Afghan Panjab.
The players were from the Punjabi diaspora, predominately Sikh, of the Indian sub continent. There are significant Punjabi communities across the UK, not least around Slough & West London - where they played most of their warm up games.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.

This seems a remarkably blinkered view of the cosmopolitan nature of other cities around the world. I take it you have never been to New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Sydney...........


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.

This seems a remarkably blinkered view of the cosmopolitan nature of other cities around the world. I take it you have never been to New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Sydney...........


I did hear that the next competition may be in Nagorno-Karabakh. Fancy going there Greenwood ? Not much rain but outside the EuroZone. Blinkers optional.........


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Well, Karpatalya won't get home advantage to defend their title, judging by this (auto translation) from the facebook page of the Ukrainian Youth and sports mininster
Separatizmu no place in Ukrainian sport! No matter what he is and who is funded and hieroglyph or from the side of Russia or other countries. Outraged by the so-called football team " Karpatalʹ " (" Zakarpatʹya " - Hungarian) in the samopoprogolo啼nomu world cup among neviznanih and partly viznanih countries.

The media reported that in this "tournament" participating zbirni abkhazia, Tibet, sekejsʹkogo edge and others, and in prelims the even teams yes terrorists and crash with dnr and luhansk.

And the edition of Mukachevo.net listed organized by the team "Karpatalʹ" Deputy Beregvsʹkö Regional Council from the democratic union of ugorcv (Umds) Tiberius Fe齲.

Kisses Служба Bezpeki Ukräni properly react to such an honest act of sport separatizmu. It is necessary to interrogated the players of the team as well as in detail to analyze the activities of the deputata-Organizer of "Karpatalʹ̈" on the subject of zazhann on the teritoralʹnu integrity of Ukraine and relationships with



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CONIFA have put out a rather more coherent statement.
I think the problem the Ukrainian government have with CONIFA is that the breakaway Russian backed 'Republics' of Lugansk and Donetsk are members of CONIFA, although unlikely to play in any of their championships as they play very few matches.



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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


There is talk that the next one in 2020 may be hosted by the Cascadia Football Federation. Paddy Power seemed to like the idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQFoSD7L6Ow



Vancouver is a beautiful city and one of the most diverse cities in the world, very cosmopolitan so it wouldn't be a bad choice. There are diaspora from every group represented at this year's competition (plus many more) throughout Cascadia in cities such as Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Olympia and Tacoma.

Seattle even has held a cup competition and cultural festival annually for the various peoples called the All Nations Cup. It's been going on since 2002, so 16 years running.

All Nations Cup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZI3F5lfr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6xOxIEAAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fepI84N5fOQ


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How many of the European based teams could afford to travel to the mythical Cascadia?
Do Paddy Power operate in Canada and the USA?



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How many of the European based teams could afford to travel to the mythical Cascadia?
Do Paddy Power operate in Canada and the USA?


How many non-European based teams could afford to travel to Abkhazia or for that matter London?

It's a World Football Cup. It should take place anywhere there is a suitable host and sponsorship.

There already is a CONIFA Euro.

Cascadia is closer to Asia and Oceana so presumably any teams which couldn't make it would just be replaced by some which could not to mention there may be more teams in the Americas by 2020. There was a team from South America which missed out on Abkhazia 2016.

Paddy Power may be looking to expand. The US Supreme Court just ruled that sports betting is not illegal and that states, not the federal government can chose whether to have it or not.

It just so happens that Oregon was one of the few states pre-ruling which had some form of legal sports betting so perhaps Paddy sees this as a growth market he can get in on the ground floor?

In any event he is right, Cascadia will put on a show just as it has for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

It is also possible Cascadia could get some big name sponsors. (Seattle alone is home to 150+ gaming companies) Nike and Adidas are based there and the latter used the Cascadian flag in an advert called "A New Revolution" which ran during the UEFA Champions League which said:

"Revolutions are born from simple ideas. Insights that become emotions. Desires that become innovations. Systems that unleash true potential. It痴 time for a new revolution

https://cascadiaunderground.org/portland-timber-army-and-cascadia-feature-prominently-in-new-adidas-commercial-a-new-revolution

You can view the advert here:

https://vimeo.com/43141895

Then there's Lion's Gate and EA/EA Sports up in Vancouver (who have their own football pitch), Microsoft, Amazon, SpaceX, Blue Origin and other who have a headquarters in or around Seattle. The list is nearly endless of companies large and small who might see value in sponsoring this tournament.

Additionally Cascadia is home to a lot of very talented recording artists, from Alice in Chains to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis to Odeza so making an anthem for the tournament shouldn't be a problem

And the Tony Award nominated Hailey Kilgore got her start as a capo for the Rose City Riveters (the supporters group for the Portland Timber's women's team Portland Thorns) so she could sing the Cascadian National Anthem and bring a lot of attention to the tournament: https://www.timbers.com/post/2018/05/01/rose-city-riveters-capo-and-thorns-fc-fan-hailey-kilgore-nominated-tony-award

Drew Carey is a minority owner of Seattle Sounders FC and is frequently in the area so he could potentially talk it up since James Riley (Cascadia's captain) is an ex-Sounder who works as a commentator for the club's reserve team matches.

Lots of positives which could make up for the longer travel for the teams from Europe. BTW: Vancouver and Seattle both have plenty of direct flights to and from London.



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Why isn't Narnia playing in CONIFA? It's more real than some of the other teams, given that it is named after the town of Narni in central Italy. (apparently because CS Lewis liked the sound of the name)


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Why isn't Narnia playing in CONIFA? It's more real than some of the other teams


Really? Which ones?


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Why isn't Narnia playing in CONIFA? It's more real than some of the other teams


Really? Which ones?


No sense of humour, mate?


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I have to admit that the sneering attitude towards CONIFA by some people does get under my skin.
Especially as they generally come from a non-nation state that is a member of FIFA.
Does anyone else see the irony?


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I can certainly see the irony in a sponsor muscling in on where their WC should be held.

Just one example of many, I suspect, of CONIFA having to perpetually walk a particularly fine line between being/doing something very worthwhile or losing credibility.


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No less ironic than a sporting event sponsored by MacDonalds and Coca Cola.


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No less ironic than a sporting event sponsored by MacDonalds and Coca Cola.

Unlikely to get multinational sponsors operating in China in a CONIFA tournament including Tibet, I suspect.



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I have to admit that the sneering attitude towards CONIFA by some people does get under my skin.
Especially as they generally come from a non-nation state that is a member of FIFA.
Does anyone else see the irony?


No.

The "sneering" attitude, as you put it, is an attempt to instil some sense of consistency in their decisions on who to admit. Yorkshire was recently admitted as a member on the basis of them being a linguistic minority (speaking Old Norse!) for example.

Excuse me while I sneer (justifiably).


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I can understand why the upcoming Kernow FA game is being played at St.Austell but when other games are played in this country do they tend to get played in the London area.



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Could it possibly because St Austell is in Kernow


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And what I printed says something different...?

'I can understand why.....etc etc'



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I致e just read Forgotten Nations by Chris Deeley. It痴 an interesting account of some of the teams playing CONIFA football, and based mainly on the tournament in London. Worth a read for anyone with an interest in the subject.




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I have to admit that the sneering attitude towards CONIFA by some people does get under my skin.
Especially as they generally come from a non-nation state that is a member of FIFA.
Does anyone else see the irony?


No.

The "sneering" attitude, as you put it, is an attempt to instil some sense of consistency in their decisions on who to admit. Yorkshire was recently admitted as a member on the basis of them being a linguistic minority (speaking Old Norse!) for example.

Excuse me while I sneer (justifiably).


Yorkshire were admitted on the basis of a survey that showed 54% of people in Yorkshire identify more with Yorkshire than with the UK. CONIFA is all about people who identify more with another entity than with the recognised nation-state they live in.



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