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Six high ranking FIFA officials have been arrested in Switzerland over corruption charges & the U.S. is trying to extradite them.
http://www1.skysports.com/...a-officials-arrested



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

According to 5 Live a few minutes ago, includes one of the top men in CONCACAF


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He is the only one they had a name for according to BBC Breakfast. All were lead away behind screens to hide their identity. Sepp Blatter was not one of those arrested.

Firstly it's been done on the eve of the vote to try and get him to resign / step down or to disrupt the vote. Secondly it will run and run as the further they dig the more they will find and not just with FIFA. Football in parts is rotten to the core and so many people are just there to get what they can get, they are not interested in football only feathering their own nests, sadly it happens in all walks of life.


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Re: [acmold] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Think the odds have shortened on Prince Ali.
I will consult Gareth on who to put my money on.



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Re: [dottirofhod] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

A few reasonable sized guns arrested there...
I wonder if they wagons will be circled or will
they be left out to dry?




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Re: [DonQuixote] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Cant see the vote going ahead on Friday.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 87 / 75 / 12 / inc 3 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 14 / 10 / 2019.
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Re: [dottirofhod] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

I take it Figo dropped out of the race
or was strongarmed/paid to go away - allegedly.

Interesting timing [the arrests] too...




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Jack Warner - shock - one of nine arrested so far.
US authorities are applying for their extradition -
we are talking to mega bucks here if true...




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Think the odds have shortened on Prince Ali.
I will consult Gareth on who to put my money on.


I think Arsenal will win this one.


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Re: [DonQuixote] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Loving this one, these people will now be investigated by outside agencies rather than the covering up of whatever has been going on withinSmile


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It's a good way to get more Americans involved in the game -
the FBI being one interested party...




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It's a good way to get more Americans involved in the game -
the FBI being one interested party...
I wonder which one of the six will ask the FBI for a 'plea bargain' if they can sell out Blatter?




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What a match ?



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Firstly it's been done on the eve of the vote to try and get him to resign / step down or to disrupt the vote.

Conspiracy theory.

It seems clear to me that it has been done on the eve of the vote because that is when they knew all the people they want to arrest would be in the same place.


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I can see the court transcript now...

"and your occupation is?"
"anti-communist your honour"

We all know where that one ended up....Sly




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Here's hoping that the evidence includes a couple of particularly big files on the Qatar and Russia World Cup bids...


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Here's hoping that the evidence includes a couple of particularly big files on the Qatar and Russia World Cup bids...

Apparently it's nothing to do with the bidding for that pair but we can live in hope something turns up...


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Here's hoping that the evidence includes a couple of particularly big files on the Qatar and Russia World Cup bids...

Apparently it's nothing to do with the bidding for that pair but we can live in hope something turns up...


Oh. How disappointing.


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The Office of the Attorney General of Switzerland seizes documents at FIFA
https://www.news.admin.ch/...=en&msg-id=57391
U.S. authorities say FIFA vice presidents Webb, Figueredo among 14 indicted in corruption probe.

The US Department of Justice statement names nine Fifa officials and five “corporate executives” who have been indicted for “racketeering conspiracy and corruption”. The statement lists the individuals as:

Jeffrey Webb: Current Fifa vice-president and executive committee member, Concacaf president, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) executive committee member and Cayman Islands Football Association (CIFA) president.
Eduardo Li: Current Fifa executive committee member-elect, Concacaf executive committee member and Costa Rican soccer federation (FEDEFUT) president.
Julio Rocha: Current Fifa development officer. Former Central American Football Union (UNCAF) president and Nicaraguan soccer federation (FENIFUT) president.
Costas Takkas: Current attaché to the Concacaf president. Former CIFA general secretary.
Jack Warner: Former Fifa vice-president and executive committee member, Concacaf president, CFU president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special adviser.
Eugenio Figueredo: Current Fifa vice-president and executive committee member. Former Conmebol president and Uruguayan soccer federation (AUF) president.
Rafael Esquivel: Current Conmebol executive committee member and Venezuelan soccer federation (FVF) president.
José Maria Marin: Current member of the Fifa organising committee for the Olympic football tournaments. Former CBF president.
Nicolás Leoz: Former Fifa executive committee member and Conmebol president.
Four of the defendants were sports marketing executives:

Alejandro Burzaco: Controlling principal of Torneos y Competencias SA, a sports marketing business based in Argentina, and its affiliates.
Aaron Davidson: President of Traffic Sports USA Inc (Traffic USA).
Hugo and Mariano Jinkis: Controlling principals of Full Play Group SA, a sports marketing business based in Argentina, and its affiliates.

FIFA are saying that the elections will still go ahead on Friday.



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

racketeering conspiracy and corruption

That's pretty big beer Stateside and carry's plenty of jail time, unless
of course a deal is done regarding giving up certain other bods???





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Four have pleaded guilty already as have two corporate partners. FIFA say this is a good thing for them and that they gave all the evidence over to start it, though an investigator on BBC says that is rubbish. More to follow may only be the tip of the Ice Berg according to FBI, this covers a 24 year period - no one noticed then?. Those arrested are not suspended though when FIFA said that not sure they knew some had already pleaded guilty. If they are not released in time for the vote it appears they can't vote by Proxy, or that is what the FIFA spokesman Walter said though you wonder if they are all Blatter supporters their may be a loophole. Many of the journalists were "hinting" that Sepp Blatter should go, but the spokesman said this does not effect him. Also his travel plans have not changed and he will be going to the Women's World Cup in Canada where he could be intercepted at the Airport and questioned / arrested.


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Also his travel plans have not changed and he will be going to the Women's World Cup
in Canada where he could be intercepted at the Airport and questioned / arrested.


Especially if his plane develops a mystery fault and has to land at JFK....





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Here's hoping that the evidence includes a couple of particularly big files on the Qatar and Russia World Cup bids...

Apparently it's nothing to do with the bidding for that pair but we can live in hope something turns up...


Oh. How disappointing.

So with the Swiss prosecutors now involved having launched this criminal case into 2018/22 things are certainly going to get very interesting indeed. This could prove to be a very very good day for the world game.


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Blatter must think he's Teflon to say that the vote still goes ahead and FIFA
are trying to batten down the hatches by saying that Russian & Qatar World Cups
will still go ahead - despite the now on-going investigation into their 'winning' bids.

Warner and his sons all plead guilty - extra charge of nepotism maybe?

As does Chuck Blazer - who deserves to be charged with a name like that.




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If all the Blazers in football were chucked the whole game would be better from FIFA to County level.


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fnar, fnar.....




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If all the Blazers in football were chucked the whole game would be better from FIFA to County level.


Ah, these unaccountable, international bureaucracies...


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If Qatar loses the 2022 WC, wonder if it'll go by default to the runners up in the bidding process.....USA? Who needs bribery and corruption when you've got the FBI to do your bidding! Laugh


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If all the Blazers in football were chucked the whole game would be better from FIFA to County level.


Ah, these unaccountable, international bureaucracies...


A certain County F.A who got their youth teams switched from the East Midlands to the South West even though it meant far longer journeys but a few weekends away. At the AGM it was asked why a full 53 seater coach had gone to Cornwall for the weekend and all it's occupants were afforded a stay in a hotel just for a county youth match. Ball number 9 where are you.


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If all the Blazers in football were chucked the whole game would be better from FIFA to County level.


Ah, these unaccountable, international bureaucracies...


A certain County F.A who got their youth teams switched from the East Midlands to the South West even though it meant far longer journeys but a few weekends away. At the AGM it was asked why a full 53 seater coach had gone to Cornwall for the weekend and all it's occupants were afforded a stay in a hotel just for a county youth match. Ball number 9 where are you.


Ah! Hah! Octogenarians Farting About...


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racketeering conspiracy and corruption

That's pretty big beer Stateside and carry's plenty of jail time, unless
of course a deal is done regarding giving up certain other bods???


The charge sheet is 161 pages longShocked
http://www.scribd.com/...ecutives-May-27-2015




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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

....but this is the American justice system where they
charge people with multiple offences for just one crime
and then sentence the guilty to over 100 years of penal servitude.
Really?




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UEFA Call for Friday's FIFA Presidential elections to be postponed.



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Can't see that bothering them but if Coca-Cola, Budweiser and the rest of
FIFA's little helpers started to make waves, then shit may well happen.

And of course there are the countries themselves - Brazil, Germany, England
and Spain - to name a few - could threaten to breakaway but one wonders
how deep in the trough, are the snouts of each individual association.

If Russia lose the next World Cup, will we see El Salvador v Honduras 2, with
MadVlad losing it and invading somebody - it's a funny old world so who knows?




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UEFA Call for Friday's FIFA Presidential elections to be postponed.


Were they to threaten to bovcott the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 it might have an effect, but can you really see that little creep Platini going along with this when he famcies succeeding Blatter eventually ?


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Excerpt from Blatter statement...


Let me be clear: such misconduct has no place in football and we will ensure that those
who engage in it are put out of the game. Following the events of today, the independent
Ethics Committee – which is in the midst of its own proceedings regarding the awarding
of the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups - took swift action to provisionally ban those individuals
named by the authorities from any football-related activities at the national and international level.
These actions are on top of similar steps that FIFA has taken over the past year to exclude any
members who violate our own Code of Ethics.



Now that could well come back to bite him on the arse...





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South African government now alleged to have paid $10m
for votes leading up to 2010 World Cup.

This is all getting messier by the minute and although nobody
has been convicted thus far, I bet there's a lot of people on the
periphery shitting themselves tonight as the waves fan out.

Can't wait to see Blatter's sorry arse dragged across the Pond,
then deemed a flight risk before spending 18 months on remand
in Riker's Island.
The Queens from Queens do love a bit of a foot balling in there....




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UEFA Call for Friday's FIFA Presidential elections to be postponed.


Were they to threaten to bovcott the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 it might have an effect, but can you really see that little creep Platini going along with this when he famcies succeeding Blatter eventually ?

UEFA are now threatening to boycott Friday's election & sponsors are now threatening to leave!



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UEFA are now threatening to boycott Friday's election

Which is code for UEFA saying that Blatter will still win the election despite Sodom and Gomorrah collapsing around him. It says much for the quality of the other candidate and the morality of the electorate.


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UEFA are now threatening to boycott Friday's election

Which is code for UEFA saying that Blatter will still win the election despite Sodom and Gomorrah collapsing around him. It says much for the quality of the other candidate and the morality of the electorate.

The trouble is countries like the Cook Islands have an equal vote to countries like Germany. There are more Cook Island type countries in FIFA than Germany type countries & Blatter has looked after there officials. If UEFA threatened on mass to boycott the next WC, then we might see Blatter walk!



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UEFA are now threatening to boycott Friday's election

Which is code for UEFA saying that Blatter will still win the election despite Sodom and Gomorrah collapsing around him. It says much for the quality of the other candidate and the morality of the electorate.

The trouble is countries like the Cook Islands have an equal vote to countries like Germany. There are more Cook Island type countries in FIFA than Germany type countries & Blatter has looked after there officials. If UEFA threatened on mass to boycott the next WC, then we might see Blatter walk!

Threatening to boycott is one thing actually going ahead with it is another, Blatter may be many things but a fool is not one of them and I think he may well call UEFA bluff if it was mentioned.


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It all hinges on if the FBI have anything on Blatter, some say they have as allegedly money was passed through his Bank Account to make an illegal payment to Joao Havelange.

Think it relates to this case

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ared-misconduct.html

some chap on the BBC yesterday more information is now available implicating him more.

Having seen the American people last night on TV they were very diplomatic but there were big hints far more was to come. Think they might like to get him when he is in the Americas maybe at the Women's World Cup in Canada, would make good TV and be at a time when the USA was watching live.


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Re: [acmold] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

McDonald's sponsored customs officers - I'm getting into this.
Could have a pic of Blatter being processed after his arrest,
with a Coke in one hand and Budweiser in the other...




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The FBI would surely have had Blatter arrested if they had enough evidence now. The extradition process will be interesting, but could take a long time. No doubt the Feds are hoping those arrested now will give evidence against Blatter in the same way as Darryl and Daryan Warner, Charles Blazer, Jose Hawilla and Traffic Sports have already pleaded guilty and given evidence.

I think Jack Warner would have been surprised that he was arrested in Trinidad & Tobago. I wonder if his friends (in local politics) are now deserting him (as Blatter did four years ago) which would lead to his extradition actually going through.



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I was a tad confused re the Warners as early in the day
it was said that all three had decided to plead guilty but
I read later on that the old man totally refuted all charges,
with the God card getting pulled out as he vowed to clear
his 'somewhat already tarnished' name.




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The FBI would surely have had Blatter arrested if they had enough evidence now. The extradition process will be interesting, but could take a long time. No doubt the Feds are hoping those arrested now will give evidence against Blatter in the same way as Darryl and Daryan Warner, Charles Blazer, Jose Hawilla and Traffic Sports have already pleaded guilty and given evidence.

That's why I wondered if they were waiting as it's easier if you get him in Canada than Switzerland. The bloke called Walter said Blatter had no reason to change his travel plans and would still go to Canada.


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 FIFA arrests relate to strange betting patterns immediately prior to Diana Ross' penalty attempt in USA '94

2016 FIFA congress to be held in Guantanamo Bay

The Americans completely ignore "soccer" for 200 years, finally learn the correct term is football, and then invade FIFA


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Send Sepp Blatter to prison and we'll officially stop making fun of you for calling it soccer.

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UEFA Call for Friday's FIFA Presidential elections to be postponed.


Were they to threaten to bovcott the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 it might have an effect, but can you really see that little creep Platini going along with this when he famcies succeeding Blatter eventually ?

UEFA are now threatening to boycott Friday's election & sponsors are now threatening to leave!



Not the least chance. Sponsors make money out of the World Cup. They are not going to throw money away on a matter of principle.


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Re: [PaulC] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Blatter has just announced....

"I cannot be held responsible for the current scandal
and vows to work to earn back trust."







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Re: [DonQuixote] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

..and another snippet, although I can't guarantee its authenticity, states
that Warner senior is about to take a plea bargain and will sing like a
hooded crow, indicting the Untouchable One in the process.




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Visa have just threatened to pull the plug but
that of course could be a great advertising ploy.




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This is the same Visa that have been subject of numerous instances of anti-trust legal actions in the last 10 years!


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..and another snippet, although I can't guarantee its authenticity, states
that Warner senior is about to take a plea bargain and will sing like a
hooded crow, indicting the Untouchable One in the process.

Wonder if any plea bargain includes avoiding being extradited? Hope not as i can't wait to see this lot in orange jumpsuits trussed up like the prisoner of zenda.


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Latest news says that Warner's sons grassed the old man up...doh!




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Times reporter Oliver Kay has just tweeted that they've
just done an e-vote test at the FIFA congress with the
question 'Did Germany win the World Cup last year'?

Apparently five per cent of the delegates got the answer wrong...




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Latest news says that Warner's sons grassed the old man up...doh!


Does that include the son that was running the World Cup ticket and travel package racket not so long ago?! Shocked
They do say you can choose your friends but...


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Vote For BlatterTongue




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Vote For BlatterTongue

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Apparently Blatter got 17,342 votes against 87.
FIFA say the vote was completely fair with no hint of corruption.



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If the votes were turned into money generated by nations I presume the turnover and contributions to FIFA produced by Prince Ali's supporters is probably equal or more than that of Blatters, as even in the "wonderful world of FIFA" surely they would not claim that the Cooke Islands and nations of that ilk contribute as much as Germany in hard cash.


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So you think money should talk. What's the difference between you and Blatter?


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Septic Bladder should go now.

I loved todays Mail on Saturdays sports headline.....

"DEAD MAN WALKING."

How the hell did he get re-elected ??

Just a minute - Money talks. The Mafia is alive and well and has recently been in residence in a hotel in Switzerland.


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My point is those that voted Prince Ali have financial clout and they can if they carry out their threats leave something like a 3.4 billion hole in FIFA's finances This would start a domino effect as the sponsors would then go as well Once the money dries up many of the Blatter voters will not get all thier grants / money and will soon turn agaist him His winning speech was a vailed threat to take a place away from UEFA and give it to Oceania His quotes about what he is going to do correct FIFA is what he said four years ago It has been said he does not use Email and does not like using the phone so people can't trace If any other person in his position had not known what was going on in and around them they would have gone ages ago


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Andy, they won't they will bottle it and, if what I heard this morning is true and France and Spain supported Blatter, there's not even the unanimous will amongst those with serious clout to make any changes.
In summary, the lunatic remains in charge of the asylum...


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But what would replace him? Greg Dyke quoted as saying 'one country, one vote; what sort of democracy is that?'


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Sepp Blatter to resign as FIFA President. Yessssssssssssssssssssssss
Rumour is that Blazer has done him in with the FBI!



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Dyke said he would not last 2 years, he didn't make 2 weeks.Wink


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It makes Fridays election even more farcical, what's the betting he gets a nice golden handshake out of it?


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It makes Fridays election even more farcical, what's the betting he gets a nice golden handshake out of it?

Yes, a legal one!


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It makes Fridays election even more farcical, what's the betting he gets a nice golden handshake out of it?

A villa in Russia with a guarantee of no extradition



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Is this going to be Nigel Farage type resignation?


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Ive already ruled myself out of going for the nomination. To much work to do at Cams Tongue



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Is this going to be Nigel Farage type resignation?


I doubt it, do you think anybody is going to refuse to accept Blatter's resignation?


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Now watch Europe take over.


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life is going get better at fifa !



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Not sure Platini would be any better. He seems to have been very weak in the last few days.


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And now 5 of them including Jack Warner have been placed on Interpol's most wanted list in connection with racketeering, conspiracy and corruption. I thought this lot were in custody or have the FBI bailed them?


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And now 5 of them including Jack Warner have been placed on Interpol's most wanted list in connection with racketeering, conspiracy and corruption. I thought this lot were in custody or have the FBI bailed them?

I think some of them are either being held in Switzerland or in there own countries! One of them is never going to see the inside of a U.S. Courtroom. Because he's from Paraguay & he's over a certain age, which in Paraguay they don't incarcerate people after you reach that age. So they will never extradite him, because the law trumps there extradition agreement with the U.S.



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I doubt it, do you think anybody is going to refuse to accept Blatter's resignation?



Some of 130 nations who voted for him a few days ago?


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I doubt it, do you think anybody is going to refuse to accept Blatter's resignation?



Some of 130 nations who voted for him a few days ago?

What is going to come out of the FBI whistleblower Blazer investigation. But the award of the 2018 & 2022 WC's are involved. So the 130 nations are just going to have to get used to the days of the 'gravy train' is overShocked



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Meanwhile, there's a new entrant in the race for the 2026 WC -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-2026-World-Cup.html


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Meanwhile, there's a new entrant in the race for the 2026 WC -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-2026-World-Cup.html

Excellent is that.Smile


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I spotted the deliberate error. The King George V playing field could not possibly date back to 1855.



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Ex-FIFA vice-President Jack Warner has said he knows why Sepp Blatter has resigned. Overnight in T&T he made a televised speech/political broadcast & from the sounds of it. If he's going down he's taking everyone with him.Shocked



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Chuck Blazer's testimony has incriminated the whole FIFA Exco. He states that he & whole FIFA Exco accepted bribes for the 1998 & 2010 WC's. Now we all know why France voted for Blatter the other dayUnimpressed



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

They must surely investigate European Athletics next with the 1st European Games to be held in AZERBAIJAN!


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Re: [derekn] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

The European Games is a multi sport event. They were awarded to Azerbaijan by the European Olympic Committees not European Athletics. Azerbaijan will also be hosting part of Euro 2020. Should we also start investigating UEFA?


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Very probably!


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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

But they're all criminals. Why should anyone believe them?


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But they're all criminals. Why should anyone believe them?


Because they're selfish, greedy and they know the gravy train is over. Meaning they'll each plea bargain by spilling the truth in order to get the best possible outcome for themselves.


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But they're all criminals. Why should anyone believe them?

Because John Delaney the FAI chief executive, has admitted it in an interview on Irish radio station RTE.



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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out


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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out

And the Beeb have done the same thing.


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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out

And the Beeb have done the same thing.

Jack Warner is making sure the whole rotten ship goes down with him. As soon as Blatter gets arrested & out the way. The better it'll be for FIFA & the whole of football.



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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out

And the Beeb have done the same thing.

Jack Warner is making sure the whole rotten ship goes down with him. As soon as Blatter gets arrested & out the way. The better it'll be for FIFA & the whole of football.

You'll find few that disagree on that one.


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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out

And the Beeb have done the same thing.

Jack Warner is making sure the whole rotten ship goes down with him. As soon as Blatter gets arrested & out the way. The better it'll be for FIFA & the whole of football.

You'll find few that disagree on that one.

I'm suspicious that these few months that Blatter has left, will be him making sure all incriminating evidence that leads to him will disappear.



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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.


So out of court settlements in legal cases are now going to be considered bungs? Crazy


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I'm suspicious that these few months that Blatter has left, will be him making sure all incriminating evidence that leads to him will disappear.


Investment advice - buy shares in shredder manufacturers.


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Irish football chap nows says Blatter was eyeing up his girlfriend when the discussions were going on about the Henry handball Said at one point I think we better move on


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Irish football chap nows says Blatter was eyeing up his girlfriend when the discussions were going on about the Henry handball Said at one point I think we better move on

Why did he take his girlfriend to meeting with Sepp Blatter? Do any of these people live in the same world as the rest of us.?


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Just heard it on Sky News The amount was meant to be confidential but the interviewer gave the amount out

And the Beeb have done the same thing.

And so have FIFA. Presumably they weren't bound by the confidentiality cause in the agreement.


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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.

Interesting. FIFA were sufficiently concerned about a potential legal challenge to a refereeing error that they were prepared to settle out of court. That suggests to me that such challenges can't be dismissed with ease by the legal bods. We could struggle to get any tournaments completed if that is the case. They would do well to get on with rewriting the rules to ensure that challenges of that nature can't get any traction.


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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.

Interesting. FIFA were sufficiently concerned about a potential legal challenge to a refereeing error that they were prepared to settle out of court. That suggests to me that such challenges can't be dismissed with ease by the legal bods. We could struggle to get any tournaments completed if that is the case. They would do well to get on with rewriting the rules to ensure that challenges of that nature can't get any traction.

Surely this makes ROI just as bad as the rest of them (provided of course they accepted the money)


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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.


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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.

Interesting. FIFA were sufficiently concerned about a potential legal challenge to a refereeing error that they were prepared to settle out of court. That suggests to me that such challenges can't be dismissed with ease by the legal bods. We could struggle to get any tournaments completed if that is the case. They would do well to get on with rewriting the rules to ensure that challenges of that nature can't get any traction.

Surely this makes ROI just as bad as the rest of them (provided of course they accepted the money)

Daily Telegraph football correspondent said that the FAI stabbed there own players in the back.



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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.

Interesting. FIFA were sufficiently concerned about a potential legal challenge to a refereeing error that they were prepared to settle out of court. That suggests to me that such challenges can't be dismissed with ease by the legal bods. We could struggle to get any tournaments completed if that is the case. They would do well to get on with rewriting the rules to ensure that challenges of that nature can't get any traction.


Is it too late for the FA to put in a claim to Blatter for the "Hand of God"?


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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.



While probably fully legal, I think it's a dangerous road taken to "reimburse" a country for a refereeing mistake.

FIFA might as well start dishing out near miss payments to all countries that narrowly misses qualification because most of them will be able to find refereeing decisions that went against them at crucial times, obviously less grave than Henry's handball.


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Chuck Blazer's has stated that the ROI were bunged 5mil Euro's, so they wouldn't proceed with with a legal case. Over the infamous Thierry Henry handball/goal.

Interesting. FIFA were sufficiently concerned about a potential legal challenge to a refereeing error that they were prepared to settle out of court. That suggests to me that such challenges can't be dismissed with ease by the legal bods. We could struggle to get any tournaments completed if that is the case. They would do well to get on with rewriting the rules to ensure that challenges of that nature can't get any traction.


Is it too late for the FA to put in a claim to Blatter for the "Hand of God"?


I believe the German FA is looking into a 49 year old case... Tongue


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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.



While probably fully legal, I think it's a dangerous road taken to "reimburse" a country for a refereeing mistake.

FIFA might as well start dishing out near miss payments to all countries that narrowly misses qualification because most of them will be able to find refereeing decisions that went against them at crucial times, obviously less grave than Henry's handball.


That depends on the legal merits of the case in question. The Irish clearly had a case, or an out of court settlement wouldn't have arisen. The dangerous road isn't the making of an out of court settlement, it's that refereeing mistakes would appear to be legitimately open to legal challenge.

And as for the rubbish spouted by the Telegraph, what would they have done? Proceeded with a legal challenge? Whose best outcome would have been...to award the Irish FA cash damages!


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Jun 5, 2015, 10:20 AM)


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FIFA are saying that Sepp Blatter won't be attending the IOC meeting in Lausanne next week. He is FIFA's representative to the IOC.



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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.



While probably fully legal, I think it's a dangerous road taken to "reimburse" a country for a refereeing mistake.

FIFA might as well start dishing out near miss payments to all countries that narrowly misses qualification because most of them will be able to find refereeing decisions that went against them at crucial times, obviously less grave than Henry's handball.


That depends on the legal merits of the case in question. The Irish clearly had a case, or an out of court settlement wouldn't have arisen. The dangerous road isn't the making of an out of court settlement, it's that refereeing mistakes would appear to be legitimately open to legal challenge.

And as for the rubbish spouted by the Telegraph, what would they have done? Proceeded with a legal challenge? Whose best outcome would have been...to award the Irish FA cash damages!



We'll never know FIFA's rationale for paying up. But it could be that they never expected Ireland to win a case in court but feared the negative publicity of a court case with the World Cup show about to start. Obviously they thought it was money well spent to avoid it.

Paying paves the way for opportunistic types. Yes, I know the real world is like that.

I can see countries having to sign an agreement that refereeing decisions will not be pursued in a court of law soon. And clubs...


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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.



While probably fully legal, I think it's a dangerous road taken to "reimburse" a country for a refereeing mistake.

FIFA might as well start dishing out near miss payments to all countries that narrowly misses qualification because most of them will be able to find refereeing decisions that went against them at crucial times, obviously less grave than Henry's handball.


That depends on the legal merits of the case in question. The Irish clearly had a case, or an out of court settlement wouldn't have arisen. The dangerous road isn't the making of an out of court settlement, it's that refereeing mistakes would appear to be legitimately open to legal challenge.

And as for the rubbish spouted by the Telegraph, what would they have done? Proceeded with a legal challenge? Whose best outcome would have been...to award the Irish FA cash damages!



We'll never know FIFA's rationale for paying up. But it could be that they never expected Ireland to win a case in court but feared the negative publicity of a court case with the World Cup show about to start. Obviously they thought it was money well spent to avoid it.

Paying paves the way for opportunistic types. Yes, I know the real world is like that.

I can see countries having to sign an agreement that refereeing decisions will not be pursued in a court of law soon. And clubs...

FIFA are saying they lent FAI $5mil & the FAI says it got a €5mil settlement. A disparity of $2mil or €1.5mil, I wonder what the truth is.



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At least the Irish money has gone on stadium development and football development or that is what is coming out at the moment.

The F.A are now saying what they have given out as gifts in the past, they quote 25 Gucci handbags to delegates wives which they say was permissible by F.I.F.A's rules according to the F.A. A 30k spend on a dinner in Trinidad & Tobago for local football delegates after a England game in said country, this was set up by Jack Warner - evening all. Can see why England won no votes then not enough noughts!.

The Australians are starting to make big noises as they seem to be saying they were sold down the river when they applied and were asked to go forward to a second vote for one of the World Cups (2022?) as they were in with a very good chance of getting it (if they greased a few palms / gave donations) they went forward but did not seem to grease the palms as they got one vote.

A Japanese football official was on the BBC News Channel yesterday, I thought he spoke very well and his views were obviously very considered. His country are very upset at what is going on and he said Blatter should go now. He said Prince Ali would be as good as anyone to head FIFA.

Many are now saying the board must be swept clean at FIFA and a "new" person should be put in charge and old ways must go now.


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I have just arrived in Ireland (Limerick of course for the grand re-opening of Markets Field) ) and the story is dominating the news bulletins amid calls for Delaney to resign. No-one seems quite sure where all the money went and the secrecy about it seems to be causing the most concern.

The official story from both FIFA and the FAI is that the 5 million euros was initially a loan, to be repaid IF Ireland qualified for the 2014 World Cup,which of cpurse they didn't. The loan was then "written off" by FIFA.


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Well good luck in convincing the U.S. authorities that an out of court settlement constitutes corruption. Happens all the time, but especially in corporate America. All perfectly legal.



While probably fully legal, I think it's a dangerous road taken to "reimburse" a country for a refereeing mistake.

FIFA might as well start dishing out near miss payments to all countries that narrowly misses qualification because most of them will be able to find refereeing decisions that went against them at crucial times, obviously less grave than Henry's handball.


That depends on the legal merits of the case in question. The Irish clearly had a case, or an out of court settlement wouldn't have arisen. The dangerous road isn't the making of an out of court settlement, it's that refereeing mistakes would appear to be legitimately open to legal challenge.

And as for the rubbish spouted by the Telegraph, what would they have done? Proceeded with a legal challenge? Whose best outcome would have been...to award the Irish FA cash damages!



We'll never know FIFA's rationale for paying up. But it could be that they never expected Ireland to win a case in court but feared the negative publicity of a court case with the World Cup show about to start. Obviously they thought it was money well spent to avoid it.

Paying paves the way for opportunistic types. Yes, I know the real world is like that.

I can see countries having to sign an agreement that refereeing decisions will not be pursued in a court of law soon. And clubs...

Also, out of court settlements are often used so precedents aren't set.


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Re: [scottywalds] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

According to reports, the 2010 WC which was staged in South Africa. Should've been staged in Morocco, allegedly the votes were rigged because the committee didn't agree with the result!



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The official story from both FIFA and the FAI is that the 5 million euros was initially a loan, to be repaid IF Ireland qualified for the 2014 World Cup,which of cpurse they didn't. The loan was then "written off" by FIFA.

If that is the case one could argue that FIFA bribed Ireland not to qualify for the 2014 World Cup. Another dangerous road to tread.


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The official story from both FIFA and the FAI is that the 5 million euros was initially a loan, to be repaid IF Ireland qualified for the 2014 World Cup,which of cpurse they didn't. The loan was then "written off" by FIFA.

If that is the case one could argue that FIFA bribed Ireland not to qualify for the 2014 World Cup. Another dangerous road to tread.


But that argument would fail on absence of motive and complete absence of logic! The briber loses €5m and the recipient is somehow incentivized to miss out on both the glory and a far greater cash windfall..


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Jun 8, 2015, 3:40 PM)


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In Reply To
The official story from both FIFA and the FAI is that the 5 million euros was initially a loan, to be repaid IF Ireland qualified for the 2014 World Cup,which of cpurse they didn't. The loan was then "written off" by FIFA.

If that is the case one could argue that FIFA bribed Ireland not to qualify for the 2014 World Cup. Another dangerous road to tread.


But that argument would fail on absence of motive and complete absence of logic! The briber loses €5m and the recipient is somehow incentivized to miss out on the glory and a far greater cash windfall..

It's is no different from the FAI popping down to their local Paddy Power and backing Ireland not to qualify for the World Cup. It is bet hedging. If a club did it their FA would be down on them like a ton of bricks (unless it upset one of their sponsors, of course).


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Re: [paulh66] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

FIFA - the movie, grosses $697 after its first weekend's showing in the US.

"The Village Voice called it "not merely ham-fisted, but pork-shouldered, bacon-wristed, and sausage-elbowed".
The Guardian added that "as proof of corporate insanity it is a valuable case study."
The movie's budget was estimated at between $25 - $32 million (£16 - £21 million), with Fifa said to have put up about three-quarters of the money."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...inment-arts-33050289


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In Reply To
The official story from both FIFA and the FAI is that the 5 million euros was initially a loan, to be repaid IF Ireland qualified for the 2014 World Cup,which of cpurse they didn't. The loan was then "written off" by FIFA.

If that is the case one could argue that FIFA bribed Ireland not to qualify for the 2014 World Cup. Another dangerous road to tread.


But that argument would fail on absence of motive and complete absence of logic! The briber loses €5m and the recipient is somehow incentivized to miss out on the glory and a far greater cash windfall..

It's is no different from the FAI popping down to their local Paddy Power and backing Ireland not to qualify for the World Cup. It is bet hedging. If a club did it their FA would be down on them like a ton of bricks (unless it upset one of their sponsors, of course).


There's nothing illegal or dodgy about hedging in itself. Betting is another matter in the sports world but this doesn't have any features of betting attached. There is nothing in this arrangement that incentivised anyone to do anything untoward. It's an out of court settlement, pure and simple.


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FIFA - the movie, grosses $697 after its first weekend's showing in the US.

"The Village Voice called it "not merely ham-fisted, but pork-shouldered, bacon-wristed, and sausage-elbowed".
The Guardian added that "as proof of corporate insanity it is a valuable case study."
The movie's budget was estimated at between $25 - $32 million (£16 - £21 million), with Fifa said to have put up about three-quarters of the money."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...inment-arts-33050289

Who plays the part of Sepp Blatter?




jrev61


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Who plays the part of Sepp Blatter?


Tim Roth. Jules Rimet is played by Gerald Depardieux.


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Re: [PaulC] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

The EU parliament calls for Sepp Blatter to step down with immediate effect.



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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Pots and kettles comes to mind on that one.


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Re: [kirby knitters] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

According to sources in Switzerland. The Swiss paper Schweiz am Sonntag are reporting that the African & Asian federation have begged Blatter to stay as FIFA president & he has allegedly told them that he hasn't ruled out staying on.



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According to sources in Switzerland. The Swiss paper Schweiz am Sonntag are reporting that the African & Asian federation have begged Blatter to stay as FIFA president & he has allegedly told them that he hasn't ruled out staying on.



Is that their version of The Sun ?

More rumours...............Crazy


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According to sources in Switzerland. The Swiss paper Schweiz am Sonntag are reporting that the African & Asian federation have begged Blatter to stay as FIFA president & he has allegedly told them that he hasn't ruled out staying on.



Is that their version of The Sun ?

More rumours...............Crazy

Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?
Apparently it's more than a rumour, because the chairman of FIFA's audit & compliance committee 'Dominico Scala' has warned Sepp Blatter against chucking his hat into the ring again.



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Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?.


Only because half the posts on this forum are by you.

It wasn't stuffed full of rumours before you came along. A few maybe but not in the vast numbers since you've been posting.


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Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?.


Only because half the posts on this forum are by you.

It wasn't stuffed full of rumours before you came along. A few maybe but not in the vast numbers since you've been posting.

Most of my posts, that you call rumours. Are from me contacting clubs or people associated with clubs. So I asks you, what harm is it to post this?



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Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?.


Only because half the posts on this forum are by you.

It wasn't stuffed full of rumours before you came along. A few maybe but not in the vast numbers since you've been posting.

Most of my posts, that you call rumours. Are from me contacting clubs or people associated with clubs. So I asks you, what harm is it to post this?


Do you tell these people that you're going to publicise your conversation ?


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In Reply To

In Reply To

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Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?.


Only because half the posts on this forum are by you.

It wasn't stuffed full of rumours before you came along. A few maybe but not in the vast numbers since you've been posting.

Most of my posts, that you call rumours. Are from me contacting clubs or people associated with clubs. So I asks you, what harm is it to post this?


Do you tell these people that you're going to publicise your conversation ?

Yes! Does that disappoint you?



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Most of my posts, that you call rumours. Are from me contacting clubs or people associated with clubs. So I asks you, what harm is it to post this?


Do you tell these people that you're going to publicise your conversation ?

Yes! Does that disappoint you?



Not in the least - it would be the right thing to do


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In Reply To

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Half the posts on this forum are rumours. So what?.


Only because half the posts on this forum are by you.

It wasn't stuffed full of rumours before you came along. A few maybe but not in the vast numbers since you've been posting.

Most of my posts, that you call rumours. Are from me contacting clubs or people associated with clubs. So I asks you, what harm is it to post this?

Are you a journalist? Do these people not get fed up of you?


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FIFA - the movie, grosses $697 after its first weekend's showing in the US.

"The Village Voice called it "not merely ham-fisted, but pork-shouldered, bacon-wristed, and sausage-elbowed".
The Guardian added that "as proof of corporate insanity it is a valuable case study."
The movie's budget was estimated at between $25 - $32 million (£16 - £21 million), with Fifa said to have put up about three-quarters of the money."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...inment-arts-33050289


Now confirmed as the lowest grossing film in US history, with $918

http://www.theguardian.com/...sing-film-us-history



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


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According to sources in Switzerland. The Swiss paper Schweiz am Sonntag are reporting that the African & Asian federation have begged Blatter to stay as FIFA president & he has allegedly told them that he hasn't ruled out staying on.
Is Blatter worming his way out?http://www.bbc.com/.../0/football/33284185




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Re: [windydcfc] FIFA Officials Arrested or Reply Privately

Swiss authorities say USA has asked them to extradite seven detained FIFA officials



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Sepp now trying to blame the Qatar WC vote on the French and German governments

http://www.bbc.co.uk/.../0/football/33401602

Who's next? Smile



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

(This post was edited by leohoenig on Jul 5, 2015, 3:51 PM)


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Throw enough mud and some is bound to stick. Why has it taken him so long to name these people?


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Throw enough mud and some is bound to stick. Why has it taken him so long to name these people?


Not quite mudSly but what Simon Brodkin has done has got to be Sepp Blatter's defining momentLaugh
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...d-cash-comedian.html
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