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Isaac
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The order of resolution is:
1. General Election
2a. Enact Brexit policy of winning party
2b. If no outright winner, confirmatory referendum

If the country really has turned Ďremainí then enough Tory seats will be lost to the Lib Demís to stop an overall majority. Ergo, we need another referendum.

If however, a General Election is won by the Tories, we have the Boris Brexit as negotiated with the EU.

This Parliament no longer reflects what the people voted for in 2017 ie 84% of MPís elected on a promise to honour the result of the first referendum WITHOUT a confirmatory vote.


General Elections are FPTP. They are multi-issue. Brexit is but one issue.

A GE may well deliver a Tory majority with 35% of the votes. It does not mean the electorate has voted for Brexit.

They only way to discover what the electorate thinks of the reheated deal Johnson has come up with is to ask them ... via a referendum.


You only want another referendum because you didn't like the result of the first one. Whichever way it went the losers wouldn't accept it and we would be in an even bigger mess than we are now.

Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


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You only want another referendum because you didn't like the result of the first one. Whichever way it went the losers wouldn't accept it and we would be in an even bigger mess than we are now.


Meanwhile the Tories want a third General Election within the life of one fixed term parliament of 5 years. because they didn't like the result of the previous ones.

It's a funny old hypocritical world.


(This post was edited by PaulC on Oct 28, 2019, 1:24 PM)


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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Mark Francois "I looked him in the eye and said..."

https://m.facebook.com/...p;id=314028075829732


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"October 31 Brexit 50p coins to be shredded and melted down by Royal Mint after EU grants extension"

https://www.itv.com/...-down-by-royal-mint/


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Labour have finally caved, having been put under pressure by the Lib Demís and SNP. Weíll have a December General Election.

This is the right approach and finally everyone agrees.

Election first, Brexit second and if still not resolved, then a confirmatory referendum.

Expect polls to go up and down over the next six weeks. They might be showing a 100+ majority for the Tories at the moment, but I suspect the majority will be 20-30 in the end. Iím sure someone will dig up a poll during the next six weeks that shows labour in the lead.


PaulC
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Labour have finally caved, having been put under pressure by the Lib Demís and SNP. Weíll have a December General Election.


You're a tad premature.

It will depend on Johnson accepting unpalatable amendments - votes at 16/17 and votes for Eu citizens.

Too much like democracy for the Tories' liking.


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You only want another referendum because you didn't like the result of the first one. Whichever way it went the losers wouldn't accept it and we would be in an even bigger mess than we are now.


Meanwhile the Tories want a third General Election within the life of one fixed term parliament of 5 years. because they didn't like the result of the previous ones.

It's a funny old hypocritical world.


A general election is totally different to a single issue referendum.


Isaac
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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?



Where's the 'ignore this poster' button?


Isaac
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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?



Unlike remainers of course? I think you need to take off those rose tinted specs. Most people will agree that neither side came out of it smelling of roses


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Labour have finally caved, having been put under pressure by the Lib Demís and SNP. Weíll have a December General Election.


You're a tad premature.

It will depend on Johnson accepting unpalatable amendments - votes at 16/17 and votes for Eu citizens.

Too much like democracy for the Tories' liking.


The eminently sensible deputy speaker has correctly concluded that you canít change the rules to suit and not selected the 16-17 and EU citizen amendments for vote.


Yatesman
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You only want another referendum because you didn't like the result of the first one. Whichever way it went the losers wouldn't accept it and we would be in an even bigger mess than we are now.


Meanwhile the Tories want a third General Election within the life of one fixed term parliament of 5 years. because they didn't like the result of the previous ones.

It's a funny old hypocritical world.


No, typical distortion of reality.

An election is nothing like a referendum. It's a different type of plebiscite with different aims and outcomes.

To compare a referendum to a GE is borderline moronic.

Also. it's Parliament that has to agree to an election, as you well know, that means Labour, SNP and LieDumbs also need to want an election, for whatever reason, it hardly matters!


Yatesman
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Labour have finally caved, having been put under pressure by the Lib Demís and SNP. Weíll have a December General Election.


You're a tad premature.

It will depend on Johnson accepting unpalatable amendments - votes at 16/17 and votes for Eu citizens.

Too much like democracy for the Tories' liking.


The eminently sensible deputy speaker has correctly concluded that you canít change the rules to suit and not selected the 16-17 and EU citizen amendments for vote.


Why on earth would anyone choose to allow children to vote in a GE ?

Sounds like a case of attempted child exploitation to me!


(This post was edited by Yatesman on Oct 29, 2019, 6:37 PM)


Yatesman
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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?


Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


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To compare a referendum to a GE is borderline moronic.


It certainly is borderline moronic to try and fight a single issue GE.

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PaulC
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Why on earth would anyone choose to allow children to vote in a GE ?

Sounds like a case of attempted child exploitation to me!


LOL!


"Conservative Party allowing 15-year-olds to vote for PM despite opposing 16-year-olds voting in general election"

https://www.independent.co.uk/...ocrisy-a9007851.html

The party of hypocrites.


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Expect polls to go up and down over the next six weeks. They might be showing a 100+ majority for the Tories at the moment, but I suspect the majority will be 20-30 in the end. Iím sure someone will dig up a poll during the next six weeks that shows labour in the lead.


Well hereís the starting point compared to the start of the 2017 campaign. Tories down 7%, Labour down under1%

CON: 36.6% (-7.2)
LAB: 24.5% (-0.9)
LDM: 17.9% (+7.4)
BXP: 11.1% (+11.1)
GRN: 4.0% (+0.2)
UKIP: 0.7% (-10.1)

Curtice predicts

"A snap election will return more than a 100 MPs not from Labour or Tory. Whilst Corbyn can do a deal with a party to stop Brexit, Johnson cannot to do a deal to deliver Brexit. SNP predicted to clean up in Scotland."


Yatesman
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Why on earth would anyone choose to allow children to vote in a GE ?

Sounds like a case of attempted child exploitation to me!


LOL!


"Conservative Party allowing 15-year-olds to vote for PM despite opposing 16-year-olds voting in general election"

https://www.independent.co.uk/...ocrisy-a9007851.html

The party of hypocrites.



Comparing the election of a leader of a political party by its paid up membership to a GE of the UK Parliament is borderline moronic.

I'm sure you can find other evidence of children voting maybe for which act on The Voice or which pairing on Strictly Come Dancing and proffer that as evidence that children should vote in a General Election!!!

Truth is kids are , if left to their own devices, not bothered about voting in a GE, any more than 18/19/20yr olds could be arsed to vote in the Referendum...but of course, certain lefty politicians know that young people are malleable, easily influenced and if they can motivate them with falsehoods, fears and targeted propoganda then they can be groomed, used and abused for purposes way beyond their ability and experience to comprehend.

I think we should let kids be kids for as long as possible.


PaulC
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For someone resident in Scotland you seem remarkably ignorant of the success of extending the vote to 16/17 year olds in Scotland.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/...dence-from-scotland/

Just as there are many politically aware and thoughtful 16 and 17 year olds there are very many older voters who are hard of thinking and swallow the nonsense they are fed by the right wing media.

Age is no barrier to stupidity as the most recent referendum shows.


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For someone resident in Scotland you seem remarkably ignorant of the success of extending the vote to 16/17 year olds in Scotland.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/...dence-from-scotland/

Just as there are many politically aware and thoughtful 16 and 17 year olds there are very many older voters who are hard of thinking and swallow the nonsense they are fed by the right wing media.

Age is no barrier to stupidity as the most recent referendum shows.


16/17 yr olds are only a couple of years away from voting legally so there really is no rush to get them on the electoral roll.

The Holyrood administration obviously likes a good stunt and giving 16yr olds the vote in their elections was a good example of that......Just like free prescriptions etc.

I agree with you that there are many intelligent, thoughtful and engaged 16 yr olds but typically ( the majority) they see politics in binary terms couched in moral extremism, not in a balanced and reasoning way .

FYI those many older ( and not so old) allegedly right wing ( such a pointless and outdated term) voters are almost certainly not influenced by anything other than their own vision of the world they want based on what their life experiences have taught them.
Your belief that an extremist liberal autocracy is the natural destination of society is the flawed and puerile POV.
We are a majority Conservative voting country because thats the type of society that the majority of people want to live in.

That's why we rejected the EU.

That's why we will reject Labour and the LieDumbs!


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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?


Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


So that's a yes then. You are in denial.Smile



Where's the 'ignore this poster' button?


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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?


Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


So that's a yes then. You are in denial.Smile


It's a No.

Your analaysis is flawed

Your claims are false.

But, You know that!

Are you at peace with yourself perpetuating a myth?


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The Holyrood administration obviously likes a good stunt and giving 16yr olds the vote in their elections was a good example of that......Just like free prescriptions etc.
bs!


LOL!

Reminiscent of the great George Foulkes:

Lord Foulkes:. "The SNP are on a dangerous tack at the moment, What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the Border in a number of areas."

Interviewer ďIsnít that a good thing?Ē

Foulkes ďYes, but theyíre doing it delberately.Ē


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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?


Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


So that's a yes then. You are in denial.Smile


It's a No.

Your analaysis is flawed

Your claims are false.

But, You know that!

Are you at peace with yourself perpetuating a myth?


I am indeed at peace with myself. Every post you write only reinforces my view that scrapping Brexit is the right option.

Thanks for asking though.

Speak again after the next Brexit extension?



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