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One I forgot to mention was The Royal Oak one of the Four famous pubs on the corner of Brentfords ground. It was shut in April as the landlord tried to hike the rent up due to Brentford playing in the championship. Rumoured planning application submitted for flats Unsure



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Predictive text on my Android seems to like to change words even after I have typed them.

The goat is very good in my other local Hungry House though, the horse is restricted to burgers these days.


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The Brigstock in Thornton Heath, decent pub in its day, is now a church


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Another name to add to the long string of abandoned pubs in Oxford that have burnt down in mysterious circumstances:this time The Jack Russell in Marston...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...e_drone_photographs/

The fact that speculators want to build flats and/or a supermarket on the site is entirely coincidental (just like it has been every other time, too...)


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Had some good nights in the Pub in the 1980's, used to have live music and good Disco's.

The strange thing is if the boarded up Nelson self combusted no one would shed a tear, but it never does.


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Mrs Forman's, the pub at the end of Musselburgh racecourse and the Musselburgh Links golf course, has closed and is being turned into housing. It used to serve the golfers on the Links and up until last November was a decent restaurant but presumably just didn't pay.


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I remember driving past a boarded up pub on the Oswestry bypass in my childhood. It was like that for a while, now that got demolished and is now called the Lion Quays.


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Someone said the Woodstock Arms in Oxford is or has shut down, the turnover was very good by all accounts as it was outside the Old Radcliffe Hospital which is now part of the University. But the land is worth so much it far outweighs running a pub.

Abingdon has lost so many pubs in the last 25 years Ock St in particular many are now housing. Didcot is now losing pubs hand over fist despite doubling in size since Messrs North and FBF left.


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Drove past The Highwayman in Yateley this morning, now closed and houses being built. I remember eating there about 20 years ago when it was called The Monteagle Arms and witnessing guys going into the ladies. Took me a moment to realise they were dealing, Only been back a handful of times over the years.



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Another three pubs have recently closed in Portsmouth...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...their-part-1-7717530

A long long time since I supped in The Cabman's Rest in Somers Town, which was a handsome tiled stand-alone Victorian building in the centre of Portsmouth's biggest and roughest high-rise towerblock estate. Back in the eighties it had the unfortunate honour of being HQ for Pompey's 6.57 Crew football hooligan gang. Today, its unfortunate honour is to be tight-up nextdoor one of the fastest-growing universities in the country in a city already desperately short of accommodation - it is being converted into student flats.

I can't ever remember visiting The Swan, in the High Street in Cosham, but I suspect the large Wetherspoon just down the road hasn't helped their cause. A crying shame because the building is another handsome piece of architecture on a prominent street corner.

However, saddest of all is the closure of The Tap on the main London Road in North End, a former free-house of fantastic reputation. This former Victorian high-street shop became a licenced pub as recently as 1985 as an outlet for the nearby Southsea Brewery. Under a very adventurous landlord, it very quickly became the premier pub in the city for real ales and the regular hang-out for the local CAMRA society. I first went drinking in The Tap in 1990, about the time I first started attending beer festivals, and the place certainly played an early and important role in my interest in real ale. In fact, it was this very pub that I set off from in 1993 on a six-month-long cycling trip to Italy which ended with me attending Padova v. Pompey in the Anglo-Italian Cup (a 0-0 draw, as it happens!) When the landlord retired and sold up (in the early 2000s?), the pub was taken over by Punch Taverns with predictable consequences. I last went in there maybe three years ago, and although pleasant enough it was certainly a shadow of its former glory.

Here is an excellent website chronicling the past and present pubs of Portsmouth:

http://www.portsmouthpubs.org.uk


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Abingdon has lost so many pubs in the last 25 years Ock St in particular many are now housing.


Another Oxfordshire pub abandoned, then burnt down in a suspected arson attack. This time, 'The Saxton Arms' on the Saxton housing estate in Abingdon...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ck/?ref=mr&lp=12


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Another pub in Portsmouth has closed at short notice. Worryingly, it is another pub owned by Enterprise Inns, who have a record of closing good pubs.

This time it is The Eldon Arms, 11-17 Eldon Street, Portsmouth. This has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city, and has been a regular in the GBG for many years. Recently, the pub had a good reputation for decent ale, live music and always seemed to have a good atmosphere.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...en-closure-1-7753283

According to the local paper, the landlord left at short notice on 22nd December - a mighty strange time to leave a pub, I'd have thought. Whether this is personal issues or to do with rent rises will probably come out later, but a nearby restaurant closed in 2015 as well as The Dolphin in Old Portsmouth earlier this year due to Enterprise Inns' rent increases. Several other Enterprise-owned pubs have closed in the city over the past few years.

It will be a sad loss if the Eldon does not re-open.


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Another pub in Portsmouth has closed at short notice. Worryingly, it is another pub owned by Enterprise Inns, who have a record of closing good pubs.

This time it is The Eldon Arms, 11-17 Eldon Street, Portsmouth. This has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city, and has been a regular in the GBG for many years. Recently, the pub had a good reputation for decent ale, live music and always seemed to have a good atmosphere.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...en-closure-1-7753283

It will be a sad loss if the Eldon does not re-open.


Better news...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...sea-boozer-1-7776940

Regulars at The Eldon Arms are trying to get the local council to declare the pub an ACV - an Asset of Community Value.


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The self combusting Jack Russell in Oxford is to become 18 flats.

Rule of thumb never go in a pub or on a narrow boat in Oxford.


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Another article in the Portsmouth News about Enterprise Inns and the city's pubs...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...to-survive-1-7955627

Apparently there are now six pubs in the Portsmouth area that are owned by Enterprise Inns that do not have landlords in place:

The Old House At Home, in Eastney
The Eldon Arms, in Somers Town
The Hoeford Inn, in Fareham
The Glencoe, in Gosport
The Three Tuns, in Gosport
The Milton Arms, in Milton

What with Enterprise Inns' already shocking and unsympathetic record in Portsmouth (including its woeful attitude to the historic 300-year old Dolphin Hotel last year), the future of some of these pubs must now be in doubt.

When in Portsmouth back at Easter, I popped into The Eldon Arms, having read about its struggles in the local news - it has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city. However, it really did seem down on its luck on this occasion: the once lovely back garden is overgrown and has become a dumping ground, the beer choice didn't extend any further than a couple of Fullers' usual suspects, the London Pride didn't taste too clever (I tipped a third of a pint of it into a flowerbed), and the near-empty main bar was dominated by one loud group of blokes - a far cry from the neighbourhood local the place once was. With the excellent Hole In The Wall free house just a couple of streets away (along with many others to chose from) there seems little reason to return unless things take a sharp turn for the better very soon. Such a crying shame that this pub has lost its way...

The other notable pubs on the list are The Milton Arms, which is an old mock-Tudor building not far from the away end at Fratton Park, and has been a regular for Pompey fans for many years, and The Old House At Home, which has been a regular in the GBG.

Concerning Enterprise Inns, it is amazing that a company that is in the business of running pubs, manages to run pubs so bloody badly... Unsure


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Do these sort of chains own the freehold of the buildings? . I'm sure most of them are just asset strippers using them as a landbank before selling them for redevelopment. As is the case in Oxford.


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Another pub has bitten the dust in Oxford. This time The Berkshire on Abingdon Road, to the south of the city centre. It is becoming some sort of hipster cafe called 'Home', selling overrated nosh (allegedly) at 'Oxford prices' Unsure

Despite never threatening to gain a GBG-listing (and changing its name for a mercifully short time to the foolish-sounding 'Crooked Pot' a few years ago), I've long had a soft spot for The Berkshire. Back in my youthful days of long-distance cycling, I would often cycle from Portsmouth to Oxford and would see The Berkshire as my signal to having finally arrived at my destination. The pub gained its name from being stood on the old pre-1974 boundary between Oxfordshire and Berkshire, back in the days when Abingdon was Berkshire's county town.

With The Berkshire now gone, there are now only two pubs left in this area of Oxford: the White House and the Duke Of Monmouth. This is a real shame, because the Abingdon Road area of Oxford is one of the few areas of the city that still retains a feel for what most of the neighbourhoods felt like before Oxford started to swallow its own 'Location Location Location' hype and obsession with house prices. Parts of the city like Jericho, Summertown, Cowley Road and Headington have little resemblance to what they were like even twenty years ago. The Abingdon Road area, with its regular flooding and lack of trendy establishments (up until now) has been one of the few neighbourhoods to retain a sense of normality.


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One of my old student haunts from the 1980s...

The Cricketers
King Edward's Road
Swansea


...which sits behind the St.Helen's rugby and cricket ground, has closed and is to be converted into forty-five student flats.

The Cricketers is most famous for being visible in the background of the footage of Garfield Sobers' six sixes in one over, for Nottinghamshire against Glamorganshire on 31st August 1968, the first time such a feat had ever been achieved in first-class cricket. In particular, the sixth boundary shot goes flying down King Edward's Road past the pub windows, "My goodness, it's gone way down to Swansea!" as the commentator says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUVL3SqqZo

Some of my personal memories of the pub include plenty of visits before watching Glamorgan play (St.Helen's was always a great ground for spin-bowlers, due to the higher humidity in the air due to being right on Swansea seafront). I can remember being sat on the top of the terrace near the pub for a match involving Hampshire in 1987, when the late great Malcolm Marshall smacked a six that only narrowly missed my head, landed in Bryn Road and got a mention in the write-up in 'The Times' the next day. The equally great Gordon Greenidge (also playing for Hampshire that day) bought my mate Chris a pint in the St.Helen's bar afterwards and played him at pool.

I can also remember drinking there on my rarer excursions to watch Swansea RFC, and a particular match on 2nd January 1989 against Llanelli. This was Jonathan Davies' last match playing Rugby Union for Llanelli before his (then highly) controversial move to Rugby League and Widnes for a record £230,000. Even without a back-story as big as that, Swansea v. Llanelli was such a big fixture that Swansea City v. Reading, taking place at The Vetch on the same day, was moved to a noon kick-off. (I watched that too, from the Reading end. Finished 2-0 to Swansea if I remember rightly).

Finally, I can also remember sitting in The Cricketers pub for most of a week in mid-September 1988, when watching telly in a pub was still strange and new, watching the Seoul Olympics while drinking breakfast pints (this was long before Wetherspoons kicked all the novelty out of that particular past-time). However, on the morning of Saturday 24th, I supped up my pint and left some time just before the start of Ben Johnson's incredible drugged-up 100 metres, needing to catch the train down to Portsmouth 1 Crystal Palace 1 at Fratton Park.


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Dolau Inn New Quay Wales


An old drinking haunt of poet Dylan Thomas faces closure according to locals who have launched a petition calling on the brewery to scrap its plan to shut the pub.

The Dolau Inn, in New Quay, Ceredigion , dates back to the 1750s and one of the oldest buildings in the town.

Walesí greatest poet, who was well known for liking a tipple, frequented the pub when he lived in New Quay between 1944 and 1945
Reportedly the favourite pub of Dylanís wife Caitlin, the Dolau Inn was also frequented by Alistair Graham, a nephew of the Duchess of Montrose and supposedly Dylanís inspiration for Lord Cut-Glass in Under Milk Wood, as well as the basis of the character of Sebastian Flyte in Brideshead Revisited.

The venue forms an important part of New Quayís Dylan Thomas trail, and was at one point considered by many to be the highlight of the trip.



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Just to show that Oxford isn't the only place that old pubs burn down at 'opportune times', this is the recent news of the Cape Horner, an old pub on the main A483 Fabian Way road that approaches the centre of Swansea from the east...
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/...laze-former-13563566

An attempt to burn down the derelict pub was made last night, Friday 1st September. Apparently, someone has drawn up plans to demolish it and build 64 student flats, so from their particular point of view this fire might be seen as 'beneficial'.

The pub is in the St.Thomas area of Swansea, a neighbourhood of Victorian terraced housing on the eastern side of the River Tawe that (until very recently) had avoided the 'studentification' that most similar parts of Swansea to the west of the river have been going through for forty years or more. However, over the past couple of years, the building of a new campus for Swansea University
on previously derelict dockland to the south of Fabian Way has meant a jump in local property prices and an increase in bedsits in the neighbourhood.

The old Cape Horner is a bulky sixties building, and there are plenty of people in Swansea who won't miss it. However, it is yet another pub in this part of the city that has now gone past the point of no return. And as the number of students from all over the planet who want to study on Swansea continues to grow (helped in no small part by the continued success of Swansea City FC in the Premiership), so the chances are that more and more pubs in the city will be eyeballed by property speculators for short-term accommodation.

I can remember one occasion when I visited the Cape Horner with a mate, maybe a cold month in 1989. We had walked for what seemed like several miles east along Fabian Way through eastern Swansea's decimated industrial infrastructure, in order to find a notoriously inexpensive car-hire outfit so we could get ourselves some cheap wheels for the day and drive up to watch Swansea City play at Caersws in the Welsh Cup. Unfortunately, some points on my mate's driving licence meant we got told to "sod off back to the posh side of the Tawe!" My companion thought that spending the afternoon in the Cape Horner nursing his hurt pride was a constructive way to spend our now spare time. I reckon we got a good deal - if I remember rightly, the match finished 0-0.

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Talking of things burning down under suspicious circumstances, one anniversary that coincides with the death of Princess Diana twenty years ago is that of the fire that burnt down the former home of Erith & Belverdere FC. The main stand at their Southern League ground at Park View, next door to Belverdere railway station, was destroyed by fire on Monday 1st September 1997.


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Another Welsh pub bites the dust.

S A Brains has confirmed that it is to close the townís historic Black Lion Hotel on High Street, which employs 17 people, saying the pub was not profitable.
S A Brains claimed that the hotelís fate was effectively sealed after a planning application for nine houses at the rear of the premises failed to get approval from Ceredigion County Councilís planning department.



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The William Morris the awful Weatherspoons in the local Chavley Centre is closing down, the lease runs out on the 31st March 2018 and the chain are not renewing it.

Having put many of the local pubs out of business in it's 15ish year history and objected to another pub chain opening up nearby, they are upping sticks and leaving the local dreggs of society no where to go to keep warm.

Rumours are a shop will replace it or a well known Coffee chain, much development is due to take place in the area including 100's of student flats and an avenue of restaurants and things of that ilk.

At least I will no longer have to walk in the road when going shopping avoiding the great unwashed smoking and blocking the pavement.


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One of my old student haunts from the 1980s...

The Cricketers
King Edward's Road
Swansea


...which sits behind the St.Helen's rugby and cricket ground, has closed and is to be converted into forty-five student flats.

The Cricketers is most famous for being visible in the background of the footage of Garfield Sobers' six sixes in one over, for Nottinghamshire against Glamorganshire on 31st August 1968, the first time such a feat had ever been achieved in first-class cricket. In particular, the sixth boundary shot goes flying down King Edward's Road past the pub windows, "My goodness, it's gone way down to Swansea!" as the commentator says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUVL3SqqZo

Some of my personal memories of the pub include plenty of visits before watching Glamorgan play (St.Helen's was always a great ground for spin-bowlers, due to the higher humidity in the air due to being right on Swansea seafront). I can remember being sat on the top of the terrace near the pub for a match involving Hampshire in 1987, when the late great Malcolm Marshall smacked a six that only narrowly missed my head, landed in Bryn Road and got a mention in the write-up in 'The Times' the next day. The equally great Gordon Greenidge (also playing for Hampshire that day) bought my mate Chris a pint in the St.Helen's bar afterwards and played him at pool.

I can also remember drinking there on my rarer excursions to watch Swansea RFC, and a particular match on 2nd January 1989 against Llanelli. This was Jonathan Davies' last match playing Rugby Union for Llanelli before his (then highly) controversial move to Rugby League and Widnes for a record £230,000. Even without a back-story as big as that, Swansea v. Llanelli was such a big fixture that Swansea City v. Reading, taking place at The Vetch on the same day, was moved to a noon kick-off. (I watched that too, from the Reading end. Finished 2-0 to Swansea if I remember rightly).

Finally, I can also remember sitting in The Cricketers pub for most of a week in mid-September 1988, when watching telly in a pub was still strange and new, watching the Seoul Olympics while drinking breakfast pints (this was long before Wetherspoons kicked all the novelty out of that particular past-time). However, on the morning of Saturday 24th, I supped up my pint and left some time just before the start of Ben Johnson's incredible drugged-up 100 metres, needing to catch the train down to Portsmouth 1 Crystal Palace 1 at Fratton Park.


The development of The Cricketers into student accommodation is being pushed through by developers, despite objections by Brynmill local councilors and residents...

This news article has footage of the derelict pub and the St.Helens rugby and cricket ground opposite:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/...ted-student-13871838


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Another Portsmouth pub is about to disappear...

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...-new-homes-1-8545566

...'The Brewers Arms' on Milton Road is to be demolished to make way for flats.

This pub has been closed now for at least a year (perhaps longer), and now leaves just two remaining pubs - The Mr Pickwick, and The Milton Arms - on a street where there once used to be seven. The Brewers Arms sticks in the mind because it was always one of the more accommodating for away fans on their way to Fratton Park.


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Desperately sad news from Swansea, from where I've just heard about the recent closure of The Greyhound Inn in Llanrhidian, on the Gower peninsula about ten miles west of Swansea. The pub is to be turned into housing (and this being such beautiful countryside, I don't think I'm being overly-cynical to suggest it might end up being housing for the wealthy or those looking for a second home... Unsure).

This pub was an absolute cracker of a place - stocking the beers of the nearby Gower Brewery, and hosting the Great Gower Beer Festival.

I remember visiting here in the long hot sunny summer of 1989 with a couple of mates when we saw none other than Swansea City legend John Toshack sat at a bench in the beer garden. He was probably back on a short break inbetween leaving Real Sociedad and taking over at Real Madrid.

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