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The proposal was agreed at today's EFL AGM: https://www.efl.com/...e-2018--agm-round-up

"A number of Clubs had previously asked the EFL if the mandatory publication of a match programme could be addressed as a result of an overall decline in sales and the proliferation of digital and social media, which has the ability to deliver the same content in a more cost effective manner. Mandatory publication of a programme was required due to a number of the EFLís partnership, sponsorship and opt-in agreements.

EFL Clubs approved an amendment which allows Clubs to opt out of providing advertising in match programmes on the basis it is replaced with other inventory. This amendment will mean that the requirement to deliver programme advertising in the EFL Regulations will only apply if a match programme is produced. The amended regulation provides each Club with the option to determine whether or not they publish a match programme."

Non-league will surely soon follow.


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Ah well, their loss, if I know a club can't be bothered, I shan't either. I'll take my money elsewhere.



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Colchester United will issue a free programme to all fans (not sure if that is both sets or just home)at home games in 2018/19.


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Ah well, their loss, if I know a club can't be bothered, I shan't either. I'll take my money elsewhere.

Until you eventually run out of clubs to visit above a certain level.


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It'll certainly have no bearing on which matches I attend but it might influence whether I carry on buying programmes. At present, if a prog is issued I have to buy one and will usually make a point of turning up in good time to get one. But if, once they're optional, I have to go checking on which clubs issue, which clubs don't and which clubs sometimes do/sometimes don't, or if the availability of such information is patchy, it'll possibly become too much hassle to bother with altogether.


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Reading some of the comments on here it could well determine whether certain people still attend football matches at all. Priorities but if paper comes before the reason for going to games which i suspect it does for many then the 'other sports' section could be on overload!


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Reading some of the comments on here it could well determine whether certain people still attend football matches at all. Priorities but if paper comes before the reason for going to games which i suspect it does for many then the 'other sports' section could be on overload!


The only major sport which offers programmes and plays on Saturdays between October and March is Rugby Union.
Ice Hockey is usually played in the evening making it difficult to get back if not local. Think some hockey matches may be played on Saturday, but the programme is a league production with just an insert from the home club.



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Reading some of the comments on here it could well determine whether certain people still attend football matches at all. Priorities but if paper comes before the reason for going to games which i suspect it does for many then the 'other sports' section could be on overload!


It might not stop people going but it could be a factor in deciding which game to watch, just like if you want to see a certain player playing if heís injured you might go somewhere else.

If you live in High Wycombe say and want to watch a game on Saturday if Flackwell Heath & Holmer Green are both at home you might choose to watch HG if they do a programme over FH if they donít just as you might choose whichever one has the best parking or cover or does the best coffee or burgers.

Surely the prime objective of most clubs if to have more people watching them, this wonít encourage someone to go and watch a team but it MAY discourage them.



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I imagine the main reason for not producing a programme is that not many people are buying them. It follows, therefore, that not many people will be discouraged from attending if there is no programme.


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Reading some of the comments on here it could well determine whether certain people still attend football matches at all. Priorities but if paper comes before the reason for going to games which i suspect it does for many then the 'other sports' section could be on overload!


It might not stop people going but it could be a factor in deciding which game to watch, just like if you want to see a certain player playing if heís injured you might go somewhere else.

If you live in High Wycombe say and want to watch a game on Saturday if Flackwell Heath & Holmer Green are both at home you might choose to watch HG if they do a programme over FH if they donít just as you might choose whichever one has the best parking or cover or does the best coffee or burgers.

Surely the prime objective of most clubs if to have more people watching them, this wonít encourage someone to go and watch a team but it MAY discourage them.


While the production (or not) of a programme doesnít affect my decision on where I go, I normally aim to get to grounds earlier if if I know they produce programmes, in case they sell out before kick off.

And, as Iím there earlier, Iím likely to buy a pint or two before kick off, rather than staying in the nearby pub and arriving at the ground at five minutes to kick off.



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Southern League clubs that chose not to do a hard copy did an on-line version. Is it the same with league clubs that go down the same road?


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As the worst supported league club still gets 1,600 attending their home games, it's hard to see how they can lose money on programmes even if only 20% of the attendance buys one.
Most non-league clubs could make a decent profit on sales of 320 programmes assuming they can get the advertising.
If a league club is losing money on the programme, perhaps they should review the position of commercial manager, assuming he/she is a full time employee.
Another alternative would be to do a 1970s lower division style programme, just 16 pages and only £1. This would still have team squads, results/fixtures and league tables, which is all that is really needed. Two page interviews with youth team players including several colour photos and ridiculous questions like 'Tea or coffee?' are a waste of time.



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Two page interviews with youth team players including several colour photos and ridiculous questions like 'Tea or coffee?' are a waste of time.


.. and presumably is one of the reasons why many spectators no longer buy a programme.


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When I first started buying programmes they weren't thick, like the ones you get today, they had the managers notes on the up coming game, an up to date fixture/results list, a player profile containing useful info and not whether he prefers tea or coffee, a few ads from local businesses and the Football League magazine.


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If I know a club isn't producing a programme available on the day of the match I know I wouldn't go if I was a neutral. So they have lost all the other cash I would spend too.



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And contrary to that I don't give a hoot if a programme is available or not. If there is one I still won't buy it as the ones I have bought have nothing particularly of interest to read.

Some people want a programme and some people don't. You pay your money and make your choice.



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If I know a club isn't producing a programme available on the day of the match I know I wouldn't go if I was a neutral. So they have lost all the other cash I would spend too.
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I think people like you are few and far between these days and if you are talking from a hoppers perspective then you would probably only visit once anyway so I doubt your cash loss would cause them problems.



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Clubs will naturally factor the lost revenues from boycotting spectators into their decision about whether to carry on issuing. As suggested above, I suspect this will be a very low figure indeed.


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Which ice hockey league produces a programme that clubs do inserts for?


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As the worst supported league club still gets 1,600 attending their home games, it's hard to see how they can lose money on programmes even if only 20% of the attendance buys one.


Some clubs are selling well under 20%. Under 10% in fact.


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Which ice hockey league produces a programme that clubs do inserts for?


My comment about club inserts referred to hockey not ice hockey. I used the English terms not the American.



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As the worst supported league club still gets 1,600 attending their home games, it's hard to see how they can lose money on programmes even if only 20% of the attendance buys one.


Some clubs are selling well under 20%. Under 10% in fact.
Most in Scotland would be delighted with that. Celtic selling fewer than 1000 to crowds of 50,000. Hamilton and St johnstone struggling to reach three figure sales for some games. Hearts printing 1000 for crowds of 17000.



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Accrington Stanley have announced that they will continue to issue next season and the programme will be improved.


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I contacted my club (Blackburn Rovers) at the end of 2016/17 suggesting the production of match programmes be handed over to Volunteer Supporters who would construct the articles. Most of the present content is not relevant to the match or opposition team involved, and combined with high price is why sales are declining. The best programme I saw that season was from Burnley ! who incorporated some of these ideas. Fleetwood this season was the best issue I came across, price £1


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Colliers Wood United will continue to produce a match day programme for the 2018/19 season having appointed a new programme editor.



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Taken from the Carlisle United forum:
"Programmes - The club has a new deal with H&H Reed in place to print 16-page fold-out match preview for each game next season. These are expected to be sold at £1.50 each. Ideas welcome for a name to be used."
I'm quite surprised that Carlisle are actually producing a programme. Why do clubs think that this design of programme is practical within a stadium.


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Taken from the Carlisle United forum:
"Programmes - The club has a new deal with H&H Reed in place to print 16-page fold-out match preview for each game next season. These are expected to be sold at £1.50 each. Ideas welcome for a name to be used."
I'm quite surprised that Carlisle are actually producing a programme. Why do clubs think that this design of programme is practical within a stadium.


I'm guessing one side will open out into a poster of individual players, maybe?



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I can see the logic behind Carlisle United's decision. Producing a programme that consists of a single sheet of paper means that there is no need to include the (formerly obligatory) advert for the FL sponsors. How many people will be willing to pay £1.50 for something so thin remains to be seen.


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Perhaps it might be a gatefold programme (of the type York did in the late 70s/early 80s).



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Stevenage intend to carry on with paper programmes but will keep the situation under review, and will be trialling digital programmes for their Checkatrade Trophy games: https://www.stevenagefc.com/...venage-fc-2018-2019/


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Yeovil Town are continuing to issue, and also are asking for fan contributions Ö

https://www.ytfc.net/...-new-look-programme/


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There was an article in the Stevenage programme today about the EFL decision to remove the "commercial obligation" to publish a programme. Interestingly, it said that the clubs were canvassed after the vote, with 55 saying they would continue to print while the other 17 did not commit.

It also says that the number of programmes sold per week is estimated at 600k - I assume this figure includes Premier League. But it also said some lower league (presumably EFL) clubs can have a print run as low as 350.

The article also suggested the vote may mean a possible revival in programme sales as clubs might now aim for something a little more original. Fleetwood, for example, have apparently switched to a slimline programme for which they're charging £1.


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Colchester United will be giving fans the chance to read all about it in 2018/19, with the exciting news that every fan coming to home matches will be given a complimentary programme with their ticket.

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2018/may/us-to-provide-programmes-for-all/


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Fleetwoodís programme last season was a super little effort, a well-designed 24 pager with a surprising amount of reading. It also had a hint of individuality about it . . .
Having seen their first effort of 2018-2019 I must say I was disappointed, fewer pages and very little to read; rather hoping it will improve after this though. I think things were much the same on the pitch last Saturday.


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Oxford United will be producing home and away versions of their programmes for home games.


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Oxford United will be producing home and away versions of their programmes for home games.


I was at the Oxford U v Peterborough U match last Saturday as an away fan, and I've only just learned about this! (OK I'd forgotten this thread...)
I had a bit of a job finding a programme outside the ground, in the end bought one off their Supporters Club stall outside the main stand. Once I'd got through the away turnstile I noticed a programme stand, but still didn't twig that it was any different to the one I'd got.

Now I'm in a quandary about whether to seek out an away version at the Posh game today, or make do with the home version. Must admit I'm tending towards just keeping the one I've got - the away one can't be that different can it???

On a separate note, I also filled in the annual PUFC supporters survey this week. There was a whole section about programmes - they're definitely considering going online only next season.
I told them I definitely wouldn't pay for an online prog, and suggested the St Ives system of basic cheap printed job + full online version. I won't hold my breath though lol


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Interesting question posed by Crewe Alex chairman John Bowler at a fans forum meeting at the Alex last Monday night ( 18th ) when he asked the 80 or so fans present as to whether they bought match programmes or not.



5 apparently raised their hands.


It's already got very difficult to get one of the few team sheets pre match , this was a measure taken to restrict them as it was thought it was affecting programme sales.


Whatever next ?



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