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Tykeoldboy
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Firstly, in this evenings (19th Feb) match between Eintracht Frankfurt v RB Leipzig, fans protested to the game being on a Monday night by throwing tennis balls on to the pitch, hundreds of tennis balls.

Secondly, could this finally be the season that Hamburg are relegated from the Bundesliga? They are currently 17th and 6 points from safety with 11 games to play.


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Protests during an RB game that didn't involve that club? Is it all dying down and people accepting that this lot are here to stay?

Hamburg have been staring down the barrell for 3 years and yep they will probably drop. How the hell do a club of this size continually find themselves in such a state ?


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Not sure if it was one set or both sets of fans protesting but it was because the game was moved to Monday night for TV. There might be something on youtube eventually.


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Very little actually said about the reasons for protest, assumedly due to a decision to extend the weekend with Monday night football
Live second division Monday games have been a feature in Germany for some years, but the Bundesliga itself tends to stick to the weekend
As only in England do you get a similar away following to Germany, one can see why fans would be against this.

As already stated, it will be a big turnaround if either Hamburg (six points adrift) or Koln (3 points behind Hamburg) escape the drop
The play-off place is very close

Bayern have all but secured the title, 19 points ahead, 15 games to play
- the also runs are running close together, with just three points separating Dortmund in second from Schalke in sixth
- Frankfurt, Leverkusen and Red BullCrazy in the mix as well



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Very little actually said about the reasons for protest, assumedly due to a decision to extend the weekend with Monday night football
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Its only allegedly for teams left in Europe but fans are worried it will stick,
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The German Football League (DFL), which operates the Bundesliga, insists that the introduction of Monday night fixtures has nothing to do with financial gain, pointing out that the five games will account for less than one per cent of total revenue from television rights. Rather, it argues, this is a sporting decision to give Germany's Europa League participants an extra day’s rest.
But supporters remain unconvinced and view the development as yet another assault on their fan culture.
"Clearly, the league and the clubs are prepared to sacrifice our interests for the smallest of financial gains," continued the Frankfurt fans' statement. "As long as they have a few more euros in their pockets, they couldn't care less how many days of vacation we need to take to attend an away game. Marketing is their highest priority."
RB Leipzig fans also intend to protest
Fans of RB Leipzig, who played Napoli in the Europa League on Thursday, have also announced their intention to boycott the 400-kilometer (249 mile) trip to Frankfurt – a decision that has been met with scorn from fan groups across Germany who see the Red Bull franchise as the embodiment of all they consider wrong in the modern game.




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Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) UPDATED. Ta Reg. Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 4 - 2 ).
Scotland. Senior. 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(1 IHS - 2 BT & LT)-(NofS 0).
Junior.(0-0-0)- (0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
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Currently at www.kicker.de they are asking fans about all the kick off times in Germany.
After the game on Monday there was an article on Kicker by the Editor regarding the fans opposition to Monday night Bundesliga games. This should still be able to be found dated 20 Feb and is quite interesting. I used translation which comes up automatically.
There are now quite a few countries that give the EL clubs another days preparations however I don't think they have the same number of travelling supporters as in Germany.


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The fans see it as the thin edge of the wedge and feel that, if they do not protest loud and long now, Monday night games ("English conditions") will be a regular feature of the next TV contract due to start in 2020/21.

Interesting that the Eintracht hierarchy seemingly supported the protests - facilitating access to pitchside pre-match and the playing of "I don't like Mondays" over the PA.


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This week's Monday night game, in Dortmund was played in front of a crowd of "only" 54,300 (from a Guardian report).
The average for the first half of the season was just over 80,000 (European football statistics page)



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That was an organised boycott which had been in the planning for over a month. They were still expecting 65,000 to attend so it went better than first thought.Sly


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Loved the banner which said

FITBA ON A MONDAY ? GIRFUY


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It looks like the top three divisions will be reserve free next season

Issues to be resolved
Bundesliga
Bayern are champions and Schalke runners-up
The other two champions league slots are up for grabs
Borussia Dortmund are in third, and travel to Hoffenheim (4th) on the final day
Dortmund's lead is 3 points and 3 goals, so this could be overturned by a 2-0 home win
Leverkusen, level on points with Hoffenheim, but three more goals adrift play Hannover on the final day
RB Leipzig are in 6th, needing points to confirm Europa League - but they are only two behind Hoffenheim and Leverkusen, so they could leapfrog the pair if they both lose.
Leipzig have 50 points and a goal difference of 0
That means their Europa League place is under threat from Eintracht Frankfurt (49, +1, Schalke (a)), VfB Stuttgart (48, -3, Munchen (a)) or even
Moenchengladbach (47, -4, Hamburg (a)). All of these also have an eye on the 7th place spot which will become a Europa League slot if Frankfurt lose the cup final to Bayern

Meanwhile, 1. FC Koln's dismal season finishes in last place. They travel to Wolfsburg who effectively need a draw to "clinch" the play off spot.
If Wolfsberg lose, then Hamburg could give themselves a last chance to save their unbroken Bundesliga record by winning in Moenchengladbach

2. Bundesliga
With two games to go, most things are up for grabs. Fortuna Dusseldorf are promoted but still trying for the title, Kaiserslautern go down
Get back to this after today's round of games

3. Liga
Magdeburg and Paderborn both promoted, but the title undecided. Karlsruher in the play off spot
RW Erfurt, Chemnitzer and the only reserve team, Werder Bremen go down.
For Paderborn to take the title, they need to win at Fortuna Koln and hope Magdeburg do not win at Lotte.

Regionalliga
Nord
The most complicated and the only one running beyond next weekend.
Also the only one with a reserve team in contention.
Weiche Flensburg hold a lead of two points and one goal over HSV II. They also have a game in hand
Altoner 93, Eutin and probably Hildesheim go down

Nord Ost
Cottbus champions, Luckenwalde and Neustrelitz to go down

West
KFC Urdingen lead by two points, Viktoria Koln have a better goal difference
Urdingen go to Wiedenbruck on the final day, Viktoria are at home to Monchengaldbach II

Westfalia Rhynern, Wegbeck-Beeck, and Erndtebruck down
Bonn (34, -16) could escape, especially if they pick up a midweek point or three at Wattenscheid
Fortuna Dusseldorf II (35, -17) and Koln II (37, -11) could fall - neither of these have a midweek game

Sudwest
Saarbrucken and Waldhof Mannheim have secured the play off spots
Rochling and Schott Mainz to go down
Probably either Stuttgart Kickers (33, -25, FSV Frankfurt (h)) or Hessen Kassel (35, -2, Stadtentallendorf (h)) will join them

Munchen
1860 Munchen start their road back having won the title
Unterfoehring relegated. According to Kicker, its two down, two in the play offs
Final fixtures are
Seligenporten (36, -17, Bayern II (a))
Memmingen (36, -13, Schalding-Heining (h))
Bayreuth (38, -23, 1860 Munchen (h))
1860 Rosenheim (40, -12, Burghausen (a))





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The Regionalliga Play Offs for promotion up to 3. Liga have already been drawn.
Saarbrucken (SW1) vs. 1860 Munich (B)
Winner Nord vs. Energie Cottbus (NO)
Winner West vs. Waldhof Mannheim (SW2)
First leg May 24 Second Leg May 27.
Winner Nord either Weiche Flensburg or Hamburger SV II
Winner West either Uerdingen or Viktoria Koln

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Hoping to go to Flensburg for the first leg matchSmile



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Nord Ost

Certainly 3 relegated, 4 if Cottbuss fail to promote.



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Kicker gives more detail than the international sites I looked at when summarising earlier.

In the Nord, three go down, with a fourth team unless the Champions win their promotion play-off
In the NordOst, three down (adding Chemie Leipzig to those already mentioned), with a fourth if Cottbus don't go up
In the West, minimum two down, with extras dependent on whether a team is promoted from this RL, and to this from Mittlerheinliga. I do not know why there is a question over the latter

In the Sudwest, minimum three, and max five relegated
From Bayern, two certainly relegated, and two in play-off games



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Meanwhile, an update on the 2.Bundesliga after today's games
Arminia Bielefeld, Jahn Regensburg and Bochum all lost, so Holstein Kiel's point in Dusseldorf guarantees that they finish 3rd, and enter the play-off
This means Dusseldorf drop behind Nurnberg, who won in Sandhausen. The title to be decided on the final day, when Nurnberg host Dusseldorf.

Despite defeat, Sandhausen are safe, while Kaiserslautern were relegated before beating Heidenheim today.
So the teams at risk - one relegation and one play-off place are

Greuther Furth (39pts, GD-11). Dropped a place after drawing 2-2 with Duisburg today
Eintracht Braunschweig (39, -2). Lost at home to Ingolstadt
Erzgebrige Aue (40, -13). Drew 0-0 with Dresden
Darmstadt (40, +1), fantastic 3-0 win in Regensburg
Dynamo Dresden (41, -9). No goals in Aue
1. FC Heidenheim (41, -6), lost at Kaiserslautern

And on the final day,
I have a ticket for Heidenheim v Furth. Darmstadt play Aue.
Braunschweig go to Kiel, hoping the home side rest players ahead of the play-off
Dresden finish with a home match against Union Berlin



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Meanwhile, an update on the 2.Bundesliga after today's games
Arminia Bielefeld, Jahn Regensburg and Bochum all lost, so Holstein Kiel's point in Dusseldorf guarantees that they finish 3rd, and enter the play-off
This means Dusseldorf drop behind Nurnberg, who won in Sandhausen. The title to be decided on the final day, when Nurnberg host Dusseldorf.

Despite defeat, Sandhausen are safe, while Kaiserslautern were relegated before beating Heidenheim today.
So the teams at risk - one relegation and one play-off place are

Greuther Furth (39pts, GD-11). Dropped a place after drawing 2-2 with Duisburg today
Eintracht Braunschweig (39, -2). Lost at home to Ingolstadt
Erzgebrige Aue (40, -13). Drew 0-0 with Dresden
Darmstadt (40, +1), fantastic 3-0 win in Regensburg
Dynamo Dresden (41, -9). No goals in Aue
1. FC Heidenheim (41, -6), lost at Kaiserslautern

And on the final day,
I have a ticket for Heidenheim v Furth. Darmstadt play Aue.
Braunschweig go to Kiel, hoping the home side rest players ahead of the play-off
Dresden finish with a home match against Union Berlin



It’s likely that Holstein Kiel will end up playing VfL Wolfsburg in the playoffs. Which could end up seeing them replace there massive neighbours HSV in the Bundesliga.


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According to Kicker, its two down, two in the play offs.
So Bayern Munich enter the equation to accompany Hamburg.
Lose one ( Bremen) gain 2 , hope not.


Not sure what you are looking at. The play-off draw for promotion to 3.Liga is as per post #13.

Meanwhile, back at level 1/2, the word is that Kiel will not be able to play Bundesliga matches at the Holstein Stadion if they win their play-off.


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Post 12. (Leo/Kicker)




Ta Mick for pointing out post 13 , my post deleted.




From July 1, 2018 to June 30, 2019 = 60 / 55 / 5. (You know my rules) @ 17 /09 /2018.
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) UPDATED. Ta Reg. Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 4 - 2 ).
Scotland. Senior. 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(1 IHS - 2 BT & LT)-(NofS 0).
Junior.(0-0-0)- (0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
Some of my neighbours are prostitutes.


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Meanwhile, back at level 1/2, the word is that Kiel will not be able to play Bundesliga matches at the Holstein Stadion if they win their play-off.
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Capacity not enough , the play off's should be fun Wolfsburg or HSV. 13,400 capacity for either is obviously not enough.
They say they would apply for dispensation from capacity rule !.
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From July 1, 2018 to June 30, 2019 = 60 / 55 / 5. (You know my rules) @ 17 /09 /2018.
Benelux. Bel = 0-0-0- ( 0-0-0 ) - ( 5-0-2-1 ) UPDATED. Ta Reg. Lux = 0-0. Neth = 0-0-0 - ( 4 - 2 ).
Scotland. Senior. 0-0-0-0-(0-0)-(1 IHS - 2 BT & LT)-(NofS 0).
Junior.(0-0-0)- (0-0-1-0)-(0-0)-(0).
Some of my neighbours are prostitutes.


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Hamburg relegated after 55 years in Bundesligatop flight.


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Hamburg relegated after 55 years in Bundesligatop flight.


It was just a matter of tome.


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I guess that stupid digital clock showing how long they've been in the Bundesliga will have stopped?

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