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Towlawtom
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I disagree......Guy Verhofstadt is now overtly proposing to impose federalism on EU nations.....
Remainers DIDN't KNOW what they were voting for


Remainers knew exactly what they were voting for

1. Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
2. The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
3. The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
4. With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
5. Tariff-free trade within the EU
6. The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
7. Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
8. The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
9. The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
10. Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
11. As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
12. 3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
13. Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
14. Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
15. The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
16. The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
17. Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
18. No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
19. Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
20. FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
21. The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
22. No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
23. The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
24. British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
25. Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
26. Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
27. Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
28. EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
29. Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
30. EU funding for the British film industry
31. EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
32. EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
33. Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
34. EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
35. Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
36. Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
37. The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
38. Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
39. The right to reside in any EU member state
40. The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
41. The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
42. The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
43. The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
44. The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
45. The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
46. The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
47. The ability to retire in any member state
48. Pension transferability
49. The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
50. EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
51. The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
52. Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
53. The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
54. Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
55. Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
56. Reductions in sewage emissions
57. Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
58. EU standards on the quality of drinking water
59. Restrictions on landfill dumping
60. EU targets for recycling
61. Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
62. The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
63. EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
64. Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
65. Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
66. Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
67. Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
68. 13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
69. The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
70. EU funding for UK universities
71. Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
72. Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
73. Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
74. The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
75. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
76. Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
77. EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
78. EU rules governing health and safety at work
79. The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
80. The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
81. Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
82. EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, paedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
83. The European common arrest warrant
84. Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
85. EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
86. Improved food labeling
87. A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
88. Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
89. Common EU air passenger rights
90. Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
91. Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
92. The introduction of the European pet passport
93. The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
94. The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
95. A frictionless Irish border
96. The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
97. The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
98. EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue

Sorry cant quite come up with 100 but im sure can find another 2 somewhere.



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Sorry cant quite come up with 100 but im sure can find another 2 somewhere.


And yet, voters in the country have consistently and overwhelmingly rejected the EU;

2014 - UKIP win European Elections
2015 - Tories win a majority on the back of a promise to fold a Brexit referendum
2016 - 52% vote to leave the EU
2017 - Leave supporting parties win 80% of the GE vote
2019 - Brexit Party win European Elections

It’s a shame, this democracy lark, ain’t it?


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Sorry cant quite come up with 100 but im sure can find another 2 somewhere.


And yet, voters in the country have consistently and overwhelmingly rejected the EU;

2014 - UKIP win European Elections
2015 - Tories win a majority on the back of a promise to fold a Brexit referendum
2016 - 52% vote to leave the EU
2017 - Leave supporting parties win 80% of the GE vote
2019 - Brexit Party win European Elections

It’s a shame, this democracy lark, ain’t it?



What The Romans did for US, LOL!!!!!

TowLawTom wanted two more things the EU have done for us.......
99) The EU invented Sliced Bread
100) The EU was created .............And Then There Was Light!

If anything the 'LIST' proves a number of things , the main one being .........TOO MUCH EU !

1) Remainers are totally deluded about attributing everything to the EU ( Wind Farms ffs)

2) The EU are duplicating matters that the UK Gov't are also doing.

3) The EU are spending money in the UK that was UK money in the first place.......Money we have to beg for!

4) The EU are far too involved in UK Sovereign matters and should butt out.

5) Everything the EU is involved in and attempting to influence in the UK is perfectly doable by the UK and proves the UK does not need expensive unelected EU bureaucrats on our backs.

One example of the delusion of Remainiacs is The Erasmus Programme
This was started by the EEC 30 years ago. Many benefits of EU were started by the EEC and did not need the creation of the EU.

The creation of the EU was purely for the ultimate creation of a European Superstate with all the loss of Sovereignity , Borders, State security and National Governance this entails. This has been going on by stealth for decades but Brexit has now brought it out in to the open.

Had the EEC not forced down this path we would still be a member.

As I said previously.

REMAINERS did NOT KNOW what hey were voting for!


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Do you think Boris and Co give a dam about most of the population, they are only interested in self interest. I'm not a fan of the EU, but trust them far more than the Tories and their right wing cronies. To balance the issue I don't trust the left wing Labour Party either. The LibDems have their moments. Many remainers voted remain not because they agree with the EU and many of it policies, they voted the way they did because the alternatives are far, far worse. This seems to be the point many leave voters can't understand. Also some of us like multiculturalism and are not isolationists.


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I disagree......Guy Verhofstadt is now overtly proposing to impose federalism on EU nations.....
Remainers DIDN't KNOW what they were voting for


“The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished.”
Telegraph 2April, 2016


Towlawtom
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So Tory Boy Mark Francois is saying him and upto 60 other MPS are still going to vote against the WA with or without the backstop.
So if Boris does negotiate a deal that lot are going to say "it wasn't the Brexit we voted for".
So Only really 2 solutions
1) Revoke article 50
2) Call a general election



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I disagree......Guy Verhofstadt is now overtly proposing to impose federalism on EU nations.....
Remainers DIDN't KNOW what they were voting for


“The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished.”
Telegraph 2April, 2016


What's the circulation of The Telegraph, pray Tell??


The overwhelming, vast majority of Remainers DIDN'T know they were voting for an EU Army, the abolition of Nation States or the mass immigration of 1 million Syrian, African and assorted other economic migrants as dictated by Angela Merkel and they certainly didn't know they were voting for the break up of the UK nor were they voting for a trade war between the EU and the UK..........Yet this is what we've got!

They were lied to!

Remainers DIDN'T know what they were voting for.


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So Tory Boy Mark Francois is saying him and upto 60 other MPS are still going to vote against the WA with or without the backstop.
So if Boris does negotiate a deal that lot are going to say "it wasn't the Brexit we voted for".
So Only really 2 solutions
1) Revoke article 50
2) Call a general election


3) Prorogue Parliament.


PM me next time you're composing a list.....I'll put you right!


Towlawtom
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So Tory Boy Mark Francois is saying him and upto 60 other MPS are still going to vote against the WA with or without the backstop.
So if Boris does negotiate a deal that lot are going to say "it wasn't the Brexit we voted for".
So Only really 2 solutions
1) Revoke article 50
2) Call a general election


3) Prorogue Parliament.


PM me next time you're composing a list.....I'll put you right!


I dont belive BJ will do that, Ive every confidence the Queen wouldnt allow it even if he attempted it.
Notice you didnt address the point of Francois and his lemmings not gettiing the Brexit that they voted for!



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I disagree......Guy Verhofstadt is now overtly proposing to impose federalism on EU nations.....
Remainers DIDN't KNOW what they were voting for


“The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished.”
Telegraph 2April, 2016


What's the circulation of The Telegraph, pray Tell??


The overwhelming, vast majority of Remainers DIDN'T know they were voting for an EU Army, the abolition of Nation States or the mass immigration of 1 million Syrian, African and assorted other economic migrants as dictated by Angela Merkel and they certainly didn't know they were voting for the break up of the UK nor were they voting for a trade war between the EU and the UK..........Yet this is what we've got!

They were lied to!

Remainers DIDN'T know what they were voting for.


The irony of course is that in the long term you’ll find yourself in an independent Scotland that will be an EU member state Laugh




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I disagree......Guy Verhofstadt is now overtly proposing to impose federalism on EU nations.....
Remainers DIDN't KNOW what they were voting for


“The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished.”
Telegraph 2April, 2016


What's the circulation of The Telegraph, pray Tell??


The overwhelming, vast majority of Remainers DIDN'T know they were voting for an EU Army, the abolition of Nation States or the mass immigration of 1 million Syrian, African and assorted other economic migrants as dictated by Angela Merkel and they certainly didn't know they were voting for the break up of the UK nor were they voting for a trade war between the EU and the UK..........Yet this is what we've got!

They were lied to!

Remainers DIDN'T know what they were voting for.


The irony of course is that in the long term you’ll find yourself in an independent Scotland that will be an EU member state Laugh


I'll be long deid by then as I can't see any UK Gov't allowing another Indy Ref..........especially not a Labour Gov't as that would be 40-50 less anti-Tory MP's


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So Tory Boy Mark Francois is saying him and upto 60 other MPS are still going to vote against the WA with or without the backstop.
So if Boris does negotiate a deal that lot are going to say "it wasn't the Brexit we voted for".
So Only really 2 solutions
1) Revoke article 50
2) Call a general election


3) Prorogue Parliament.


PM me next time you're composing a list.....I'll put you right!


I dont belive BJ will do that, Ive every confidence the Queen wouldnt allow it even if he attempted it.
Notice you didnt address the point of Francois and his lemmings not gettiing the Brexit that they voted for!


I'm not banging the drum for Francois and never have so I don't know why you think I should.

Personally, I do think BJ will manufacture a scenario that delivers Brexit. Not being a constitutional expert I can only think of Proroguing Parliament or calling a Nov 7th GE.......but Boris probably took classes in this sort of thing in Eton!


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I'll be long deid by then as I can't see any UK Gov't allowing another Indy Ref..........especially not a Labour Gov't as that would be 40-50 less anti-Tory MP's


Corbyn SHOCK: Labour opens door for second Scottish independence referendum
LABOUR will not block a second Scottish independence referendum, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has announced in Edinburgh.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1162562/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-Scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-SNP


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"The economy has contracted over a quarter for the first time since 2012, raising the risk that the UK might be in a technical recession".

Cheer up. It will soon be far worse.

But it's what 52% voted for 3 years ago.


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What's the difference between a technical recession and a real recession?


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What's the difference between a technical recession and a real recession?


Statisticians state a recession occurs after two quarters of negative growth.

We should be OK though. In the next quarter there'll be massive panic buying in advance of our jumping off the cliff.


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What's the difference between a technical recession and a real recession?


Statisticians state a recession occurs after two quarters of negative growth.

We should be OK though. In the next quarter there'll be massive panic buying in advance of our jumping off the cliff.

I was being a little facetious. I know the definition. What is the point of describing something as a 'technical recession' when it means the same as recession? It is just done to make the writer sound clever in an 'I know more than you' way. Journalists should strive to explain not condescend.


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I'll be long deid by then as I can't see any UK Gov't allowing another Indy Ref..........especially not a Labour Gov't as that would be 40-50 less anti-Tory MP's


Corbyn SHOCK: Labour opens door for second Scottish independence referendum
LABOUR will not block a second Scottish independence referendum, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has announced in Edinburgh.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1162562/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-Scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-SNP

A move not backed by the Scottish Parliamentary Labour Party but seeing as they are non-entities these days north of the border why bother wasting time asking them for an opinion.


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"The economy has contracted over a quarter for the first time since 2012, raising the risk that the UK might be in a technical recession".

Cheer up. It will soon be far worse.

But it's what 52% voted for 3 years ago.


By "a quarter" you actually mean one quarter of a percent (0.25% or 0.2% to be precise) and not by a quarter (25%). If the economy shrank by a quarter (25%) then Brexit would the least of the UK's worries.



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I'll be long deid by then as I can't see any UK Gov't allowing another Indy Ref..........especially not a Labour Gov't as that would be 40-50 less anti-Tory MP's


Corbyn SHOCK: Labour opens door for second Scottish independence referendum
LABOUR will not block a second Scottish independence referendum, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has announced in Edinburgh.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1162562/labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-Scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-SNP


Corbyn is literally doing everything he can to minimise the labour vote by sitting on the wrong side of both major referendum held in the U.K. in the last five years.

If Labour scrape together any more than 150 seats in the Autumn General election i’ll be amazed. Boris must be rubbing his hands with glee.


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"The economy has contracted over a quarter for the first time since 2012, raising the risk that the UK might be in a technical recession".

Cheer up. It will soon be far worse.

But it's what 52% voted for 3 years ago.


By "a quarter" you actually mean one quarter of a percent (0.25% or 0.2% to be precise) and not by a quarter (25%). If the economy shrank by a quarter (25%) then Brexit would the least of the UK's worries.


No. I mean 3 months.


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"The economy has contracted over a quarter for the first time since 2012, raising the risk that the UK might be in a technical recession".

Cheer up. It will soon be far worse.

But it's what 52% voted for 3 years ago.


Finally, after 3.5 years of predictions and fake Project Fear, the UK economy has flat lined.............I hope you didn't make too much of a mess in your pants when you heard the news , Paul C.

The fact that most of the EU economies have been receding for months has obviously not entered Remainers' consciousness yet, but the facts are out there if you care to look.

I guess it's not really that surprising how the fifth columnists and traiors within and amongst us would find such glee and pleasure from the UK economy, well, not struggling, but not actually growing , as if that's some sort of justification for their twisted , anti-democratic, dictatorial version of politics.

Quite sad tbh, and a sorry indictment of loony lefty political thinking.

In other news, Boris's popularity has surged to 20 per centage points above Corbyn's..............Go Figure!


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So I did a quick search on EU GDP growth rate, and then as the web pages concerned allowed a comparison, I compared EU growth rate against UK
The graph produced at https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth shows UK growth above the EU average until 2016, and below it ever since.

I wonder what could have happened in 2016?



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So I did a quick search on EU GDP growth rate, and then as the web pages concerned allowed a comparison, I compared EU growth rate against UK
The graph produced at https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth shows UK growth above the EU average until 2016, and below it ever since.

I wonder what could have happened in 2016?


I hoped by saying 'most of the EU economies' it would be obvious that I was referring to the individual countries...........
How did Germany last quarter?


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I wonder when sterling will dip below the euro. Down to 1.07 today.

Looks like something disasatrous happened in mid-2016. Goodness knows what.




(This post was edited by PaulC on Aug 9, 2019, 11:17 PM)

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