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wazzafan
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Here's to next 8 months!

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Great work as usual RobSmile



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2018/19 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

For the new Step 6 leagues, are you promoting more than would be standard from Step 7, or creating them by pooling all resources?
Has the FA actually confirmed both new Step 6 divisions will come about?



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Re: [wazzafan] Non League Projections 2018/19 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Great work but from a ground grading point of view certainly Ludgvan will not be Step 6 next season, and the projections assume all clubs without a current Grade G will comply by March 31st, not so sure they all will !



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From a Ground Grading POV I dont believe Truro City would be Step 1 either?



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windydcfc
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For the new Step 6 leagues, are you promoting more than would be standard from Step 7, or creating them by pooling all resources?
Has the FA actually confirmed both new Step 6 divisions will come about?



The FA have said that there's going to be a bit of both & yes both step 6 leagues will start next season. The FA will announce which league is running them this month & probably this week.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


KnowYourMarket
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Oct 2, 2017, 10:39 AM

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Great work but from a ground grading point of view certainly Ludgvan will not be Step 6 next season, and the projections assume all clubs without a current Grade G will comply by March 31st, not so sure they all will !


I would say there are quite a few teams in those step 6 leagues that will not either apply or have the relevant grading...



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The projections as they stand at the moment makes the North/South Split in the Evostik unworkable.

There are clubs just a few miles apart in different divisions.

At the moment (long way to go I know) there are 21 western clubs and 19 eastern so it wouldn't need much of a tweak.


yorkieexile
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Wherever the boundaries are drawn, there will be teams close by each other placed in different divisions.


exile
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I completely agree of course but in this case the few miles will be the Pennines so I think its a sensible idea.

I think it was voted on though a couple of years back and clubs opted for the status quo.


yorkieexile
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If only the Pennines would keep out all people from the badlandsWink


Sarumio
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If you're promoting all Step 7 league champions, then you need to include the Mid Sussex League too?


wazzafan
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You're right. Indeed I need too! Thanks for the reminder.


wazzafan
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You're right Phil. At least half of those clubs currently failing ground grading won't pass it by the 31st March. The problem is the guesswork invlved as to who will get it and not. It's just a lot easier for me to relegate those in the relegation places at this stage.

Same goes for those promoted from Step 7. I have an idea of some clubs wantng to take the step up, but again, for saving the cherry picking of certain clubs ahead of others, keeping it as the 1st placed side until the applications are released is the easiest utcome for me at this point.


wazzafan
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All guesswork, Truro may well get the grade B+ required to play in the playoffs and go up. I can't just cancel their promotion chances yet.


007Dale
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Excellent work.

Completely agree with your approach - until we know otherwise, assume grading is achieved.


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Again, excellent work getting these produced.

However, I can tell you that no team will be promoted to Step 6 from the York League. No clubs facilities are good suitable at present...

And that is before the mess that is the new community stadium (or more likely that this time of year - "muddy put").


Yorkstar
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@wazzafan - Who do you have as leaving Step 6 leagues and being relegated to Step 7?


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@wazzafan - Who do you have as leaving Step 6 leagues and being relegated to Step 7?


Answering my own question - From NCE1, it would be Brigg and Retford going down.


Sarumio
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@wazzafan - Who do you have as leaving Step 6 leagues and being relegated to Step 7?


Following on from this - do you have a list of clubs that you currently have down in your projections as being relegated to Step 7 - I cannot be bothered to work them all out.


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For info... on the Step 6 map you show Laleham but not Staines Lammas, currently at Step 6. They both share the same ground, but the ground is way short of Step 6 standard and Staines Lammas are only in CCL1 on historical rights. Lights, or indeed any seats, won't be arriving anytime soon so neither club will be at Step 6 next year unless they move, which is very unlikely.


wazzafan
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I have all the teams in the relegation places at Step 6 in the 'Step 6 Relegations' column on the spreadsheet. Just move east from the Step 4 projections and you'll find it eventually Smile


wazzafan
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Yes, the York League is one of a few I'm aware of that have no clubs with current facilities capable of Step 6. As you've already mentioned however, the key words are 'at present' as there is always the chance someone might rise up from nowhere and go for it.


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This is because Staines Lammas are currently in the top 3 of the CC1 and are therefore on the Step 5 map as a promoted side.

Laleham are top of the Elite league and are on the spreadsheet purely by their league position.

I'm aware of all Step 6 clubs without the grade. I'm gonna give them every chance to get the grade by 31st March.


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Yes, the York League is one of a few I'm aware of that have no clubs with current facilities capable of Step 6. As you've already mentioned however, the key words are 'at present' as there is always the chance someone might rise up from nowhere and go for it.



The loophole used for promotion by some step 7 clubs. Whereby teams can be joint tenants at grounds. Shows that it's possible that any team could be promoted under the right circumstances.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9

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