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wazzafan
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Thanks Brian.

Can't agree with that last line at all. 3 down from Step 5 and 1st/2nd + the 4 best PPG would have been better, but still poor.

What you confirm there however, is 1ith 19 champions. The Hellenic West and East will remain for next season.


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Thanks Brian.

Can't agree with that last line at all. 3 down from Step 5 and 1st/2nd + the 4 best PPG would have been better, but still poor.

What you confirm there however, is 1ith 19 champions. The Hellenic West and East will remain for next season.



I’m not sure about the Hellenic. But there will only be 2 relegations from each step 5 league.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


wazzafan
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But if the Hellenic leagues merge into one. That'll leave 18 divisions at Step 6 for next season. For their to be 19 champions, both the West and East must remain. That's my point.

The new step 6 league in the South West Peninsula comes in the season after next. which would increase the step 6 leagues to 20.


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jackofalltrades posted this on the Nomad Forum today:

"Saw this leaked on Twitter, thought it may interest some of you.

SCP Proposed League for 2018/19 season:

Arundel SCP
Banstead Athletic CCP
Broadbridge Heath SCP
Chichester City SCP
Crawley Down Gatwick SCP
East Preston SCP
Eastbourne Town SCP
Eastbourne United Association SCP
Horley Town CCP
Horsham Y.M.C.A. SCP
Lancing SCP
Langley Wanderers SC1
Little Common SC1
Loxwood SCP
Newhaven SCP
Pagham SCP
Peacehaven & Telscombe SCP
Redhill CCP
Saltdean United SCP
Shoreham ILS"

It adds Banstead Athletic to your list ?



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wazzafan
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Up until about an hour ago, that's how my lineup looke. I've since moved Banstead back to the CCP.

I personally think someone's posted my lineups up on there. Not reading too much into it. I hope it's right though!


KingT
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I notice that you now only have 18 teams in the wessex one rather than 20. Given that the league have previously stated their desire to run with 20 in the prem and 20 in one, wouldn't the likes of swanage and stockbridge be accepted (providing they meet ground-grading) into wessex one to make it up to 20?


keneastlancs
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May 14, 2018, 8:36 PM

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whats happened to Foley Meir from the projections they were originally going from Staffordshire senior to nwcl div 1 south - they have disappeared.


(This post was edited by keneastlancs on May 14, 2018, 8:42 PM)


windydcfc
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whats happened to Foley Meir from the projections they were originally going from Staffordshire senior to nwcl div 1 south - they have disappeared.



Failed the ground grading



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Richard Rundle
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I notice that you now only have 18 teams in the wessex one rather than 20. Given that the league have previously stated their desire to run with 20 in the prem and 20 in one, wouldn't the likes of swanage and stockbridge be accepted (providing they meet ground-grading) into wessex one to make it up to 20?


Or will someone be laterally transferred to fill the gaps?


keneastlancs
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whats happened to Foley Meir from the projections they were originally going from Staffordshire senior to nwcl div 1 south - they have disappeared.



Failed the ground grading[/reply was this announced quite late. I heard eastwood hanley had failed and loer breck just passed but all others who applied seemed ok. Hence why they were constantly shown in the projections. Have i missed this or is it last minute?


windydcfc
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whats happened to Foley Meir from the projections they were originally going from Staffordshire senior to nwcl div 1 south - they have disappeared.



Failed the ground grading[/reply was this announced quite late. I heard eastwood hanley had failed and loer breck just passed but all others who applied seemed ok. Hence why they were constantly shown in the projections. Have i missed this or is it last minute?



They were given until the extended ground grading date(30th April)& they were expected to pass. But they can’t get permission to put floodlights up & failed on this!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Unicorn
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But if the Hellenic leagues merge into one. That'll leave 18 divisions at Step 6 for next season. For their to be 19 champions, both the West and East must remain. That's my point.

The new step 6 league in the South West Peninsula comes in the season after next. which would increase the step 6 leagues to 20.


Good point. But if they did find that they could just not keep two Hellenic step 6 Divisions going it is easy enough to just alter next year to 18 Champions and best 10 runners up on PPG basis.


Sarumio
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May 15, 2018, 8:35 AM

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But if the Hellenic leagues merge into one. That'll leave 18 divisions at Step 6 for next season. For their to be 19 champions, both the West and East must remain. That's my point.

The new step 6 league in the South West Peninsula comes in the season after next. which would increase the step 6 leagues to 20.


Good point. But if they did find that they could just not keep two Hellenic step 6 Divisions going it is easy enough to just alter next year to 18 Champions and best 10 runners up on PPG basis.


Oh come on, its hard enough getting Step 4 clubs (and their supporters) to understand about PPG and to get their heads around the thought that their clubs is actually doing battle with clubs in other leagues at the other end of the country that they've never even heard of.

Lets say a club like Romsey Town or Radstock Town are sitting in second place in their respective Step 6 divisions next season. Try telling clubs like this that they need to not only finish second, but they need to get more points per game than, say Northallerton Town and Bootle, and vice versa for those teams.

Then try telling the supporters that!

For heaven’s sake, it’s got to be a joke.

Clubs at this level need to know where the promotion places are. Those promotion places need to be locked in. Not “Maybe promotion places, maybe not”. Clubs and supporters at this level do not know what other divisions are at their level across the country most of the time, nor do they care, and why should they. Supporters of a club like Romsey cannot be expected to trawl through 18 other divisional tables to work out if their club is really in a promotion place or whether despite being second they actually won’t be going up because they have less points per game than a few clubs 150 odd miles away!

GET REAL FA!!!

This is still very regionalised football at Step 6. Current internal league arrangements work just fine and have done since football leagues began!

The only thing that needs to change is a few isolated bottlenecks. Midland League Prem should be 4 down and two up from D1 and WMRL Prem and a similar situation should exists with the UCL Prem and its own Div One and the EMCL and of course with the new NWCL divisions.

In Simple situations (i.e. Wessex, Spartan, Southern Combo, Northern, CoCo etc) 3
Up, 3 down works just fine! The clubs like it, its simple, it works! I guess that’s why the FA feel the need to change it!


windydcfc
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But if the Hellenic leagues merge into one. That'll leave 18 divisions at Step 6 for next season. For their to be 19 champions, both the West and East must remain. That's my point.

The new step 6 league in the South West Peninsula comes in the season after next. which would increase the step 6 leagues to 20.


Good point. But if they did find that they could just not keep two Hellenic step 6 Divisions going it is easy enough to just alter next year to 18 Champions and best 10 runners up on PPG basis.



I’m not sure how long the new promotion rules are going to be in place for. I know certain league’s still want to have playoffs.
I’m not sure when the 3 relegations from step 4 is going to be implemented. I can already see a problem within the new structure & specifically in the northwest. The problems effect steps 4 & 5(NPL1W & NWCL Prem). If Brighouse & Market Drayton are both relegated or promoted. Plus 4 teams relegated from the NPL Prem are ex-NWCL teams, then who will the F.A. laterally transfer & will it be fair on the teams.
If the two teams relegated from the NPL1W are ex-NWCL teams. The NWCL1N & NWCL1S both promote 2 clubs apiece. Then the F.A. would have to laterally transfer teams from the NWCL Prem & would this be fair on the teams. The problem could happen each season because there are just too many northwestern clubs at step 4. The new NPL1 east/west split has made it worse!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


derekn
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A question has occurred to me overnight! I know that the Southern League is administering the new Step 3 division and the Isthmian is doing likewise for the new Step 4 division, but will these new divisions contribute their teams to the appropriate League Cups or will they have their own cup in anticipation of a 3 league Midland set-up?


jrev61
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The only thing that needs to change is a few isolated bottlenecks. Midland League Prem should be 4 down and two up from D1 and WMRL Prem and a similar situation should exists with the UCL Prem and its own Div One and the EMCL and of course with the new NWCL divisions.


How can there be 2 up and 2 down between the UCL and the EMCL? Many of the EMCL teams are in Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire. Hardly UCL territory. Although in my view neither is Leicestershire!



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Unicorn
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A question has occurred to me overnight! I know that the Southern League is administering the new Step 3 division and the Isthmian is doing likewise for the new Step 4 division, but will these new divisions contribute their teams to the appropriate League Cups or will they have their own cup in anticipation of a 3 league Midland set-up?


I think they are now very much part of the Southern and Isthmian set ups and i do not see it changing.
So i think they will be in the cups.
If another step 4 division ever comes it will be part of the Northern Premier they will not like being left out.


Sarumio
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The only thing that needs to change is a few isolated bottlenecks. Midland League Prem should be 4 down and two up from D1 and WMRL Prem and a similar situation should exists with the UCL Prem and its own Div One and the EMCL and of course with the new NWCL divisions.


How can there be 2 up and 2 down between the UCL and the EMCL? Many of the EMCL teams are in Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire. Hardly UCL territory. Although in my view neither is Leicestershire!


I don't know, use your imagination - if a Derbs of Notts finishes in the Top Two of the EMCL then stick them in the NCEL or Midland Prem and use lateral transfers at Step 5 to balance it out.


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As an Epsom & Ewell fan that has just witnessed a shocking season, it is extremely concerning to read your post about only Champions and a few others getting the chance to come back up next season. Is that official news or just speculation? Looking at it neutrally it does appear to make sense, but obviously it would be nice to be prepared for the battle ahead.
Also, I have two other open questions for all.
1) Bearing in mind the relaxation of the gradings for clubs promoted from Step 5 this season, I am assuming quite a few clubs are now unlikely to meet the criteria for Step Four at the end of next season. Presumably these clubs would be first in line for relegation?
2) Next season's FA Cup will now have an extra 12 clubs at a higher level than Step Five than previously. In the past, Step Four and above were excused the Extra-Preliminary Round so with more clubs in that category, this surely must mean less ties in the Extra-Prelim, which also means less teams can be accepted into this season's competition unless a further round was added, which appears impossible right now. Does anyone know how the allocations will be worked out this coming season as I'm aware that not all Step Six clubs used to be accepted previously and this must now restrict the numbers further. Thanks.



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It’s not speculation



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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100% in agreement with you on this one.

Also won't there be a knock on effect with relegation from step six. If you don't know how many teams you are losing upwards you can't say with any certainty how many you will need to lose downwards?


HarryC
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Andover Town want to REFUSE their "automatic" promotion from Wessex second place to the Southern League.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/football/nonleague/16226186.Wessex_League_runners-up_do_a_U-turn_on_promotion/

If the Southern League and FA do not agree, force them to take place, they may resign before start of season leaving the division one short.

If FA let them refuse promotion, it could open the door to AFC Mansfield as next step 5 side in line with a shuffle around (giving FA chance to put Cinderford in the "west" before the appeals week)


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Andover Town want to REFUSE their "automatic" promotion from Wessex second place to the Southern League.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/...U-turn_on_promotion/

If the Southern League and FA do not agree, force them to take place, they may resign before start of season leaving the division one short.

If FA let them refuse promotion, it could open the door to AFC Mansfield as next step 5 side in line with a shuffle around (giving FA chance to put Didcot in the "west" before the appeals week)




Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


hawkwind
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Andover Town want to REFUSE their "automatic" promotion from Wessex second place to the Southern League.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/football/nonleague/16226186.Wessex_League_runners-up_do_a_U-turn_on_promotion/

If the Southern League and FA do not agree, force them to take place, they may resign before start of season leaving the division one short.

If FA let them refuse promotion, it could open the door to AFC Mansfield as next step 5 side in line with a shuffle around (giving FA chance to put Cinderford in the "west" before the appeals week)


Or how about the FA say thank you to Andover Town for acting responsibly given their loss of sponsorship, allow them to continue in the Wessex top-flight, and offer the promotion place to the next team in the Wessex League (yes, it's unfortunate that that is Sholing (Summer 2013 and 2015)).
Whatever happens over the next few weeks it would be good to confirm, as per the allocations announced, that the 29 promoted teams from Step 5 will include at least two clubs from each of the 14 leagues even if not necessarily the top two.


Finchley Tiger
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It has been announced that AFC Mansfield have been promoted to the EvoStik

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/...resh-reshuffle-50622

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