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Leo, I cannot believe a man of your calibration has not been to Fisher yet!!
I am sure there are not many grounds I have done that you have not ;)
Enjoy. It is a bit spartan but it is okay and the backdrop is pretty good.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


The Isle of Man was mentioned as a possible host for the next CONIFA World Cup. Suspect that won't now happen.
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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


From a selfish perspective I agree with you, however that is not really in the spirit of it all. Having seen some images from previous events it looks as though they were generally better supported I guess with local fans. I would though happily have another CONIFA soon!


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


If Barawa can host a tournament in London, surely Kabylia could host one in Paris?



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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.


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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.


Bawara started with 7, an 8th appeared after 10 minutes and 2 more on the team sheet who were supposedly on their way never arrived. There were also a few injured players present.

The Barawa keeper played a blinder and made more quality saves than goals he conceded. Barawa created a few chances on the break and even got a penalty which was easily saved by the keeper. The 8 men deserve praise for their performance in a game the would probably have lost with a full team.


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The host nation could only muster seven players for their match today v Western Armenia. Lost 7-0.



I think having Barawa as a 'host nation' was in name only.
I suspect they played little or no part in the running of the tournament. I don't remember seeing any message from the Barawa FA in the programme. Being hosts did however allow them to play in the tournament. In hindsight this appears to have been a mistake. I doubt they will qualify for the next tournament and even if they did, would probably be unable to raise a side to play outside the UK.



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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


To be fair it’s not hard to get 25 people of Indian descent together in England is it. Panjab isn’t a place so other than being Punjabi they don’t need to have links to anywhere.

How many of the Tibet players have links to Tibet, especially as none of them are attached to a club side anywhere in the world.



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While Ellan Vannin embarrassed themselves, CONIFA need to take a serious look at Barawa too. With many of their players seemingly ineligible with no discernible links to Somalia it isn't all that surprising that numbers dwindled by the end. Panjab and Tamil Eelam had no problems keeping their diaspora teams together.


To be fair it’s not hard to get 25 people of Indian descent together in England is it. Panjab isn’t a place so other than being Punjabi they don’t need to have links to anywhere.

How many of the Tibet players have links to Tibet, especially as none of them are attached to a club side anywhere in the world.


Punjab is a place, and there's nothing to suggest that any of their players weren't born in the region or had parents/grandparents born there. Same applies to Tibet.

There are around 100k people of Somali descent in the UK so no reason why the Barawa team couldn't have been made up entirely from the UK community or from the Somali diaspora globally. They've admitted themselves on Twitter that they applied pretty broad eligibility criteria that included anyone married to someone of Somali descent or with Somalis in their families.

To be fair CONIFA have said that this doesn't explicitly break any rules but it's certainly something that needs looking at going forward.Blush


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Panjab isn’t a place ...


Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


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Actually Panjab represented the region more usually known in English as 'Punjab' in Northwest India.
I believe the spelling is a transliteration matter.


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I believe the use of Panjab, rather than Punjab was deliberate. The region they claim to represent runs across the border to include areas in both India and Pakistan.

The majority, if not all of the Tibetan team are part of the exiled Tibetan community in India (I spoke briefly to a couple of players who confirmed this), although those of their supporters I spoke to appeared to be based in the UK

Prior to the tournament starting, I asked the CONIFA general secretary (Sascha) about eligibilty and he said the matter was left to the teams. Maybe this will change for future tournaments. It appears Barawa were not really prepared for the full ten day tournament, and their players did not take time off from work for the later matches. All the travelling teams, and other diaspora sides like Panjab seemed to relish the fact they had to play through the tournament. The heavy schedule did appear to have an effect on the final and 3/4 play-off where the intensity of the semi-finals may have left too little recovery time.

I also got the impression at the end that the teams in the bottom half of the draw, (those finishing 9th-15th) appreciated and celebrated the fact they were there more than those who had come closer to the main prize. Presenting every team with an apparently identical cup is a nice touch.



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Panjab isn’t a place ...


Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


Pretty sure non of their players travelled from Afghanistan for the tournament though.



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Are you sure ?
If so, Wikipedia is misleading us when it states that Panjab is the capital of Panjab District, Bamyan Province, Afghanistan.


Pretty sure non of their players travelled from Afghanistan for the tournament though.


I think we've clarified it's not the Afghan Panjab.
The players were from the Punjabi diaspora, predominately Sikh, of the Indian sub continent. There are significant Punjabi communities across the UK, not least around Slough & West London - where they played most of their warm up games.


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.

This seems a remarkably blinkered view of the cosmopolitan nature of other cities around the world. I take it you have never been to New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Sydney...........


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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.

This seems a remarkably blinkered view of the cosmopolitan nature of other cities around the world. I take it you have never been to New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Sydney...........


I did hear that the next competition may be in Nagorno-Karabakh. Fancy going there Greenwood ? Not much rain but outside the EuroZone. Blinkers optional.........


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Well, Karpatalya won't get home advantage to defend their title, judging by this (auto translation) from the facebook page of the Ukrainian Youth and sports mininster
Separatizmu no place in Ukrainian sport! No matter what he is and who is funded and hieroglyph or from the side of Russia or other countries. Outraged by the so-called football team " Karpatalʹâ " (" Zakarpatʹya " - Hungarian) in the samopoprogološenomu world cup among neviznanih and partly viznanih countries.

The media reported that in this "tournament" participating zbirni abkhazia, Tibet, sekejsʹkogo edge and others, and in prelims the even teams yes terrorists and crash with dnr and luhansk.

And the edition of Mukachevo.net listed organized by the team "Karpatalʹâ" Deputy Beregívsʹkoí̈ Regional Council from the democratic union of ugorcív (Umds) Tiberius Feęš.

Kisses Служба Bezpeki Ukraí̈ni properly react to such an honest act of sport separatizmu. It is necessary to interrogated the players of the team as well as in detail to analyze the activities of the deputata-Organizer of "Karpatalʹí̈" on the subject of zazíhannâ on the teritoríalʹnu integrity of Ukraine and relationships with



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CONIFA have put out a rather more coherent statement.
I think the problem the Ukrainian government have with CONIFA is that the breakaway Russian backed 'Republics' of Lugansk and Donetsk are members of CONIFA, although unlikely to play in any of their championships as they play very few matches.



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It will be interesting to see where CONIFA goes from here, and how they react to this tournament


My opinion is that all future CONIFA tournaments should be in London, as it is the only city among the competing teams to have support for most of the teams among its cosmopolitan population.


There is talk that the next one in 2020 may be hosted by the Cascadia Football Federation. Paddy Power seemed to like the idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQFoSD7L6Ow



Vancouver is a beautiful city and one of the most diverse cities in the world, very cosmopolitan so it wouldn't be a bad choice. There are diaspora from every group represented at this year's competition (plus many more) throughout Cascadia in cities such as Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Olympia and Tacoma.

Seattle even has held a cup competition and cultural festival annually for the various peoples called the All Nations Cup. It's been going on since 2002, so 16 years running.

All Nations Cup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZI3F5lfr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6xOxIEAAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fepI84N5fOQ


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How many of the European based teams could afford to travel to the mythical Cascadia?
Do Paddy Power operate in Canada and the USA?



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How many of the European based teams could afford to travel to the mythical Cascadia?
Do Paddy Power operate in Canada and the USA?


How many non-European based teams could afford to travel to Abkhazia or for that matter London?

It's a World Football Cup. It should take place anywhere there is a suitable host and sponsorship.

There already is a CONIFA Euro.

Cascadia is closer to Asia and Oceana so presumably any teams which couldn't make it would just be replaced by some which could not to mention there may be more teams in the Americas by 2020. There was a team from South America which missed out on Abkhazia 2016.

Paddy Power may be looking to expand. The US Supreme Court just ruled that sports betting is not illegal and that states, not the federal government can chose whether to have it or not.

It just so happens that Oregon was one of the few states pre-ruling which had some form of legal sports betting so perhaps Paddy sees this as a growth market he can get in on the ground floor?

In any event he is right, Cascadia will put on a show just as it has for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

It is also possible Cascadia could get some big name sponsors. (Seattle alone is home to 150+ gaming companies) Nike and Adidas are based there and the latter used the Cascadian flag in an advert called "A New Revolution" which ran during the UEFA Champions League which said:

"Revolutions are born from simple ideas. Insights that become emotions. Desires that become innovations. Systems that unleash true potential. It’s time for a new revolution…”

https://cascadiaunderground.org/portland-timber-army-and-cascadia-feature-prominently-in-new-adidas-commercial-a-new-revolution

You can view the advert here:

https://vimeo.com/43141895

Then there's Lion's Gate and EA/EA Sports up in Vancouver (who have their own football pitch), Microsoft, Amazon, SpaceX, Blue Origin and other who have a headquarters in or around Seattle. The list is nearly endless of companies large and small who might see value in sponsoring this tournament.

Additionally Cascadia is home to a lot of very talented recording artists, from Alice in Chains to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis to Odeza so making an anthem for the tournament shouldn't be a problem

And the Tony Award nominated Hailey Kilgore got her start as a capo for the Rose City Riveters (the supporters group for the Portland Timber's women's team Portland Thorns) so she could sing the Cascadian National Anthem and bring a lot of attention to the tournament: https://www.timbers.com/post/2018/05/01/rose-city-riveters-capo-and-thorns-fc-fan-hailey-kilgore-nominated-tony-award

Drew Carey is a minority owner of Seattle Sounders FC and is frequently in the area so he could potentially talk it up since James Riley (Cascadia's captain) is an ex-Sounder who works as a commentator for the club's reserve team matches.

Lots of positives which could make up for the longer travel for the teams from Europe. BTW: Vancouver and Seattle both have plenty of direct flights to and from London.



O' Cascadia - Cascadia's National Anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW6_Do815_Q


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Why isn't Narnia playing in CONIFA? It's more real than some of the other teams, given that it is named after the town of Narni in central Italy. (apparently because CS Lewis liked the sound of the name)


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Really? Which ones?

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