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Richard Rundle
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When did the Western League take it's first club from the Gloucestershire County League for many years that fed only the Hellenic. It's only since the South Western sides started to leave the Western that it has taken Gloucestershire County sides?.


I think that must have been Bitton in 1997.


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When did the Western League take it's first club from the Gloucestershire County League for many years that fed only the Hellenic. It's only since the South Western sides started to leave the Western that it has taken Gloucestershire County sides?.


I think that must have been Bitton in 1997.


Thanks Richard, so many years after the Hellenic.


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Yes we understand that they are different steps 5/6 but distance between each one is like saying Chipping Sodbury should be in the Hellenic premier division because Tytherington Rocks are in the Hellenic in theory although both are closer to the footprint of western league clubs.

With regards to your SWP Clubs transferring western prem division (step 5 to step 6), we know that its only possible through 'promotion' however again is nothing stopping them applying if in the correct position and facilities are up together. Most clubs in wiltshire will argue the fact they have always been western league and would rather stay western league than travel to Oxfordshire etc.

Again your not going to please everyone but my point is that if Tytherington was western league they have two games in 13mins distance compared to 45 mins etc.


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There are many examples where this happens. There are 4 or 5 clubs in the Hellenic that would be better off in the CoCo. There is total mix up in the Chilterns with no logic of who is in the SML / Hellenic. There is the overlap in Staffordshire between the NWC and West Mids. There is a case of a CoCo sharing a ground the Wessex footprint. Then there is Tadley and Aldermaston one mile apart one in the Wessex but rumoured to want to transfer to the CoCo while the other in the Hellenic. The Pyramid would be better and travelling less is the F.A sorted all these out.

The current problem with Western / Hellenic appears to have started in 1997. Since then the Western has drifted north into Hellenic territory which in turn cuts off the South West.


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The current problem with Western / Hellenic appears to have started in 1997. Since then the Western has drifted north into Hellenic territory which in turn cuts off the South West.


But I genuinely think that a lot of people either can't see that or literally don't give a flying f***.

As long as clubs like Tytherington Rocks can play a few Bristol sides "because its closer to us" than some Oxfordshire town and other clubs like them wanting to build a Bristol/South Glos Super League, its all fine, screw the real South West.

The answer isn't to keep allowing sides like Tytherington into the Western, the answer is to move the Western League sides that Tytherington want to play out of the Western League to join Rocks in the Hellenic!


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Well, if the Western League goes to a 20/20 split, then Calne Town might well find themselves moved over into the Hellenic next season.


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Heard earlier that Uxbridge Reserves might be joining the Hellenic Division 1 East next season.


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I know its pedantic, but these and other estimated travel times are wildly optimistic. as a non-league traveller in these areas mid-week, there is no way even after the game, you'd get to or from in these times. its all relevant however, but serioulsy, you'd need a helecopter, or prepare for points on your licence..



Have no Plan A and apply it rigidly..

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Hearing strong rumours that Bristol Telephones promotion into the Western League from the Gloucestershire County League is now in doubt due to a problem with a grant they received to purchase floodlights. Been told they are hopeful rather than confident in getting it sorted.


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I don't think Middlezoy Rovers will be in a position to apply for a couple of years, the planning permission is all in and there doesn't seem to be any problems. But work hasn't started at all yet. The main pitch is to be turned around 90 degrees, trees and old changing rooms etc all need to come down as well. The plans look very good , a brand new clubhouse and changing rooms, new car parking etc as well.


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I don't think Middlezoy Rovers will be in a position to apply for a couple of years, the planning permission is all in and there doesn't seem to be any problems. But work hasn't started at all yet. The main pitch is to be turned around 180 degrees ???!!!, trees and old changing rooms etc all need to come down as well. The plans look very good , a brand new clubhouse and changing rooms, new car parking etc as well. Certainly a club on the up.
The club is a Bridgwater club, all the decent talent seems to be ignoring Bridgwater Town and playing for Middlezoy.




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Spike city
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Sorry, 90 degrees!!!!!!!!!Cool
Don't tell anyone!!!!


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Sorry, 90 degrees!!!!!!!!!Cool
Don't tell anyone!!!!


I heard they were turning it 270 degrees.


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That can't be right ; each set of goal-posts would be at the wrong end


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I'm not following this at all..
but then I don't have a degree



nb: i will only post re new grounds when BurgessHill Bee doesn't..(since he's far better informed than I)


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I think you're being a bit obtuse, but then I may be looking at this from the wrong angle.


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I am aware of the Chard Town pitch issue but why do Devizes and Radstock fail ground grading?

I saw Radstocks lights on a few months ago so can't be that?

Both grounds hosted premier div football not that long ago.

I do think Tytherington should swap with Malmesbury but still not happened.


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Many of the clubs that don't have the grading fail on off the field things like dressing rooms and toilets. Likewise many of those that don't have floodlights pass on off the field facilities, Letcombe have step 3 dressing rooms and step 4 toilets but they can't get lights. I'm sure Olney have everything but can't take a gate as it's in a public park. Devizes is a lovely ground but it's in the "old style" not sure how they would do on hardstanding as well. I've been to two Western League Premier grounds recently and I presume they have the grading to be where they are but they would not be allowed in the Hellenic Premier because they would say they are not enclosed. Floodlights and a stand do not make the grading alone, and it seems different leagues seem to look at things differently.


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Indeed ground grading failures are often for things that are far from obvious - Saltash United previously played at Step 5 but currently failed at Step 6 all for in affect a missing piece of pitchside barrier at a tight corner of the ground, they had actually done it before March 31st but as the ground grading people have not confirmed it (despite a photo) they are still listed as not having the grading.
Falmouth is a quite superb ground but they fail as issues like hard standing being bound cost so much more to remedy in a huge quirky ground than would say at a more modern flat rec ground.



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Indeed ground grading failures are often for things that are far from obvious - Saltash United previously played at Step 5 but currently failed at Step 6 all for in affect a missing piece of pitchside barrier at a tight corner of the ground, they had actually done it before March 31st but as the ground grading people have not confirmed it (despite a photo) they are still listed as not having the grading.
Falmouth is a quite superb ground but they fail as issues like hard standing being bound cost so much more to remedy in a huge quirky ground than would say at a more modern flat rec ground.


I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


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I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


Only thing I've seen is that the draw for the League Cup (Les Phillips) was made...nothing else



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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


Gillingham Town announced well before the end of the season that they were taking voluntary demotion to Step 7 and the Dorset Premier League to enable them to concentrate all their resources on their new ground.


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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


Thanks for the info.

Gillingham Town announced well before the end of the season that they were taking voluntary demotion to Step 7 and the Dorset Premier League to enable them to concentrate all their resources on their new ground.



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I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


Only thing I've seen is that the draw for the League Cup (Les Phillips) was made...nothing else


Still no constitution on the league web site but, by sheer chance, I have stumbled across it. I don't know how to do links so perhaps someone can help me out.

Go the Bitton WIKI and scroll down to the bottom. In the Western League section there is a record of every year starting with 1892/1893 and finishing with 2017/2018

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