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Fifa president Gianni Infantino election promise was to forge ahead with the Blatters expansion of the World Cup, but now he's not wanting a 36 team tournament he wants it to be 48 teams.

This works as follows. 48 teams qualify for the finals. There would be a preliminary round of the lowest ranked 32 teams played in the World Cup hosting nation. The 16 tie winners would progress to the group stages joining the top 16 seeded teams. The competition would continue using the current format from that point.

Reading into this proposal there are issues. Would the 16 seeded teams be the 16 highest ranked qualifiers (including hosts) or would FIFA want to guarantee regional quotas are kept for the group stages?

When would the preliminary round take place? if immediately before the group stage then how would that effect the draw for the groups. If played weeks or months before the group stages then the preliminary just becomes a play off round and not part of the actual finals, which doesn't make it a 48 team tournament, which is what Gianni Infantino is proposing.

We already have a 208 team World Cup, just leave it as it is.


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When would the preliminary round take place? if immediately before the group stage then how would that effect the draw for the groups. If played weeks or months before the group stages then the preliminary just becomes a play off round and not part of the actual finals, which doesn't make it a 48 team tournament, which is what Gianni Infantino is proposing.

We already have a 208 team World Cup, just leave it as it is.

I presume the preliminary round and groups would be drawn at the same time with each group having two seeds and the winners of two prelim games. So the winners of the prelim games would know which group they'd be in if they got through.

Having teams/supporters at the finals for one game though?



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Will only work if that extra knockout round follows the group stage.



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Mister TwoU suggestion, I assume means 32 teams qualifying from 48 teams in 12 groups of 4, similar to the Euro format.

Infantino definitely suggested a knock out round, so 32 of 48 teams playing for 16 places and the other 16 teams given byes.

There is a precedent in the late acceptance of the USA into the 1934 World Cup. They beat Mexico 4-2 in Rome, on 24 May 1934. Three days later, USA lost their first round match against Italy 7-1. There were no groups in 1934.

In 1934, Italy's schedule was
27 May (Rome). USA 7-1
31 May (Florence). Spain 1-1 (aet)
1 June (Florence). Spain 1-0
3 June (Milan). Austria 1-0
10 June (Rome). Czechoslovakia 2-1 (aet)

Can't imagine a three game in four day schedule now.

I'd go for a double elimination knock out, but this might take too long before the main hostilities, (12 days in my scenario)

The 32 are divided into four sections of four. Section 1 plays on days 1, 5 and 9, section 2 on 2, 6 and 10. This allows a continuous movement as section 1 winners could play in main draw on the first day, section 4 would have a break before their groups start.

First fixtures
Four matches

Second date
Match A. Winner 1 v Winner 2, Match B. Winner 3 v Winner 4
Match C. Loser 1 v Loser 2. Match D. Loser 3 v Loser 4

Winners of matches A,B through to finals. Losers of matches C and D go home

Third date - winners progress, losers go home.
Loser Match A v Winner Match D
Loser Match B v Winner Match C



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Sorry Leo, that's too logical for FIFA


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Was actually contemplating eight groups of six, to guarantee all finalists five games. I think expulsion after just three matches as is the current norm is just too brutal.

Four of six would progress to first knockout round.



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Isn't this just having playoffs to get to the finals but having them in the host nation just before the finals themselves?

Why not have more intercontinental playoffs instead? I know, would any confederation would give up their slots for these?



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You could expand it to 42 teams and give everyone two games

40 qualifiers + hosts + holders
Hosts + holders go to group stage
Prelim1 20 ties
20 winners to group stage
Prelim2 10 ties between losers from Prelim1
10 winners to group stage

And we have 32 teams for the group stage! Or even a straight knockout!!

The logistics of who is playing where could be an issue. But FIFA don't seem to care about such trivialities.



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The best analogy I've heard is that it's like throwing a party and inviting your parents, grandparents and various aunts and uncles, the party only starts once they leave!

Ridiculous idea, it was fine with just 16 teams but then greed took overMad!


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It looks like the 2026 World Cup will be held in the USA (again) or Canada. FIFA have banned both Europe and Asia from bidding for the finals in 2026, the reason given is FIFA's rotation policy, which rules out Europe (2018) and Asia (2022). Since FIFA are looking to expand the finals to 40 or 48 teams then there aren't that many countries left that have the capacity to hold such a large event. FIFA aren't overly keen on joint bids which just leave USA, Canada or Australia., and the latter compete in Asia and not Oceania so that rules out the Aussies.


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There have long been rumours that USA have been promised the 2026 in private; Blatter supposedly expected them to win the bid for 2022. Not certain that Canada is a suitable venue for a big tournament. When Asia gets to bid again, both China and Japan can be expected to compete with Australia for the honour.



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Today's format from FIFA for a 48 team WC is for 16 groups of 3.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38243334



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What a farce.

If they carry on expanding it like this by 2050 there will be about 250 teams in the finals with "B" teams of the most senior teams.

Leave it as it is after all it is the FINALS which means only the best teams and if the home nations don't qualify so be it.


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I was very sceptical when this was first mooted but I think the plan for only two group matches per side then straight into knockout could be a winner. No overbloated schedule, no meaningless group matches, more KO matches and a shot at glory for a few more minnows.


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I was very sceptical when this was first mooted but I think the plan for only two group matches per side then straight into knockout could be a winner. No overbloated schedule, no meaningless group matches, more KO matches and a shot at glory for a few more minnows.

The only problem is the scenario of one team playing their last game against a team already out knowing exactly what score they need to go through.

Presumably the groups would work thus
A v B
C v loser (A v B)
C v winner (A v B)
to avoid dead rubbers

But if A v B is a draw and C then lose to A say then B will play an already eliminated C knowing exactly what is required to progress.

Unless, of course, the top two go through!



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I understood the top 2 would go through to a knockout round of 32, rather than just the winners gong through to a round of 16? That's what it said on the radio anyway. In which case no team would be out before the final group game.


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I understood the top 2 would go through to a knockout round of 32, rather than just the winners gong through to a round of 16? That's what it said on the radio anyway. In which case no team would be out before the final group game.


That's right. But on the other hand you could then get final games where a specific result would send both teams through.

Say first two games are 1-1 draws, last game poised at 1-1 with 10 minutes to go... what chances of both teams exchanging goals and advancing?


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I see what you mean. It could happen but I don't think it would. I'm basing that merely on the fact that every now and then we get a situation where people speculate on the likelihood of a contrived result...but it doesn't happen. And in the example you give I don't think the teams would trust each other to play for that, or would risk the outcry that would happen if they did. Even if it was Germany v Austria! Wink


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I see what you mean. It could happen but I don't think it would. I'm basing that merely on the fact that every now and then we get a situation where people speculate on the likelihood of a contrived result...but it doesn't happen. And in the example you give I don't think the teams would trust each other to play for that, or would risk the outcry that would happen if they did. Even if it was Germany v Austria! Wink


If it was Denmark v Sweden to ditch out Italy it would definitely happen. Cool 2004...

I'm old and cynical, I'll believe the worst until disproven. 1-1 and a penalty shoot out to decide or 2-2 and everyone celebrates... a clumsy challenge is easy make... a push in the back...

In any case, you'd need penalty shoot outs at the end of every game in case teams finished equal in the groups.


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A group of three 1-1 draws could be settled by FIFA ranking. Or by drawing of lots....just like the old days. But on live TV. With in depth analysis and slo-mo replays. What's not to like?!


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A group of three 1-1 draws could be settled by FIFA ranking. Or by drawing of lots....just like the old days. But on live TV. With in depth analysis and slo-mo replays. What's not to like?!

Using FIFA ranking has obvious drawbacks.

Imagine a group thus:
Algeria 1-0 Germany
Austria 1-0 Algeria

Which would mean
Germany 1-0 Austria
in the last game would mean both countries qualifying on FIFA rankings after all three countries ending with identical records.

Hmmm.



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It's a ridiculous idea. The current format is fine.

Trouble is, infantino feels he needs to earn his salary by making changes.


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Right let's grab the goose by the throat to see if we can squeeze out any more golden eggs...


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Also, whichever team plays in group games 1 and 3 will have twice as long a gap between their matches.

Which may/may not be advantageous.



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A group of three 1-1 draws could be settled by FIFA ranking. Or by drawing of lots....just like the old days. But on live TV. With in depth analysis and slo-mo replays. What's not to like?!

Using FIFA ranking has obvious drawbacks.

Imagine a group thus:
Algeria 1-0 Germany
Austria 1-0 Algeria

Which would mean
Germany 1-0 Austria
in the last game would mean both countries qualifying on FIFA rankings after all three countries ending with identical records.

Hmmm.


Or just replay the group. I believe this happened in the 1990/1 Leyland Daf Trophy group stages. Wink


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Seems likely this ridiculous farce is going to be approved tomorrow. If you ask 130 nations that have never qualified for the World Cup if they'd like a better chance of qualifying, funnily enough, they're going to say yes.


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Seems likely this ridiculous farce is going to be approved tomorrow. If you ask 130 nations that have never qualified for the World Cup if they'd like a better chance of qualifying, funnily enough, they're going to say yes.



It's going to be like the cricket WC. Whereby it's pointless until you get to a certain stage in the competition. This'll be the last 16 in future WC.


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The voting system at FIFA is akin to having each state in the USA with the same number of electoral college votes. It's actually hugely undemocratic because on a per-player basis, the smaller
Nations have more say. A footballer in Montserrat has far greater representation than a player in Germany.

Each nation should have a block of votes equating to the number of players (all players, men & women, pro and amateur) it has registered.

That way, for example, Germany may get 100 votes, compared to Poland, 40 say and Aruba 2.


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Not surprisingly it's been approved but doesn't start until 2026!


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Not surprisingly it's been approved but doesn't start until 2026!

Not only approved but passed unanimously according to Sky. Now why would the big footballing nations vote for it? Could they have had some sort of financial carrot dangled in front of them, unlikely as that might sound with FIFA involved. Pirate


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Not surprisingly it's been approved but doesn't start until 2026!

Not only approved but passed unanimously according to Sky. Now why would the big footballing nations vote for it? Could they have had some sort of financial carrot dangled in front of them, unlikely as that might sound with FIFA involved. Pirate


Germany were going to vote against it.

Split of places forecast to be:

Europe 16 (+3)
South America 6 (+1.5)
Africa 9 (+4)
Asia 9 (+4.5)
Concaf 6 (+2.5)
Oceania 1 (+0.5)
Host 1


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Which means group p in the USA 2026 World Cup could realistically contain:

Wales
Uzbekistan
Gabon

Looking forward to that, or perhaps:
Slovakia
Guatemala
North Korea

Although you could still be lucky enough to see:
Brazil
Germany
Nigeria


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As long as we avoid Iceland Sly


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Split of places forecast to be:

Europe 16 (+3)
South America 6 (+1.5)
Africa 9 (+4)
Asia 9 (+4.5)
Concaf 6 (+2.5)
Oceania 1 (+0.5)
Host 1


Wake me up when it gets to the knockout stage.


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Not surprisingly it's been approved but doesn't start until 2026!

Not only approved but passed unanimously according to Sky. Now why would the big footballing nations vote for it? Could they have had some sort of financial carrot dangled in front of them, unlikely as that might sound with FIFA involved. Pirate


Germany were going to vote against it.

Split of places forecast to be:

Europe 16 (+3)
South America 6 (+1.5)
Africa 9 (+4)
Asia 9 (+4.5)
Concaf 6 (+2.5)
Oceania 1 (+0.5)
Host 1



What's going to be the point of the conmebol qualifiers?
It's going to be as rediculous as the Euro qualifiers. When a South American country actually hosts the competition it'll be even worse.


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There has been talk of combining the American Qualifying, but for that concaf have requested 14 combined places (2 more than in the forecast)


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Interesting point about the qualifiers. European and Conmebol qualification currently seems very overblown in terms of number of group matches. With each federation now having more qualifying places, it should enable them to re-jig and reduce the number of games needed to qualify. Certainly, to retain the existing 10 team mini-league that Conmebol operates in order to produce what will now be a minimum of six qualifying nations seems massively inefficient.


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Interesting point about the qualifiers. European and Conmebol qualification currently seems very overblown in terms of number of group matches. With each federation now having more qualifying places, it should enable them to re-jig and reduce the number of games needed to qualify. Certainly, to retain the existing 10 team mini-league that Conmebol operates in order to produce what will now be a minimum of six qualifying nations seems massively inefficient.
With Venezuela & Bolivia constantly propping up the qualifying group. Realistically it's 6 from 8 and that's being over generous to Peru.I think that they should merge conmebol & concacaf. Plus they should also merge Asia & Oceania. Then the qualifying system would make a bit more sense. But they are never going to do this, because there's too much self interest and money swilling around.



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Split of places forecast to be:

Europe 16 (+3)
South America 6 (+1.5)
Africa 9 (+4)
Asia 9 (+4.5)
Concaf 6 (+2.5)
Oceania 1 (+0.5)
Host 1


Current FIFA Rankings (yes I know):

Top 48
Europe 27
S America 8
Asia 3
Africa 6
Concacaf 3
Oceania 1


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This means New Zealand will be in every World Cup Finals from 2026 on.



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If 2014 was a 48 team World Cup the additional 16 teams would be:
Iceland
Sweden
Ukraine
New Zealand
Jamaica
Panama
Senegal
Tunisia
Burkina Faso
South Africa
Venezuela
Uzbekistan
Jordan
Lebanon
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And Scotland will fail to qualify Laugh. There aren't many countries left that have the infrastructure to hold such a large event. The stadiums might exist but what about the extra beds for the fans of those 16 extra teams. As for the proposed split, Asian nations nearly always struggle at World cups. Other than Japan, South Korea and Australia, they do seem to be target practise for most European and South American nations. The 1 place for Oceania just means New Zealand and not much point of an Oceania qualifying competition.


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Surely that is as true today as if the Oceania winners actually could qualify without a play off.



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This means New Zealand will be in every World Cup Finals from 2026 on.

And China.
Infantino says its not about the money but with the biggest TV audience in the world who wants to bet that China may get to host the World Cup ASAP.


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Doesn't look like Uruguay will be hosting the centennial World Cup in 2030.


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I have had a cursory look around, and not surprisingly I have failed to find a **** about the World Cup.
Therefore, I would like to start a list of fellow football people who have also failed to find one.
Starting here......


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I have had a cursory look around, and not surprisingly I have failed to find a **** about the World Cup.
Therefore, I would like to start a list of fellow football people who have also failed to find one.
Starting here......

OK I give up on the missing word. But then, I love the World Cup and have had great fun attending in the past.


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But then, I love the World Cup and have had great fun attending in the past.

Well there's your mistake right there. Enjoying your football? And life in general? Don't be ridiculous...Crazy


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Doesn't look like Uruguay will be hosting the centennial World Cup in 2030.


With 48 teams to accomodate, the number of potential hosts must be rather limited.
Or if joint hosts are found, will each have a bye to the finals?



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It looks like the 2026 World Cup will be held in the USA (again) or Canada.




Prob both with Final on Saturday July 4th. (250th anniversary).



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All hosts get a bye to the finals. If there's more than one, the host continent receives one less qualifying place.


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Doesn't look like Uruguay will be hosting the centennial World Cup in 2030.


With 48 teams to accomodate, the number of potential hosts must be rather limited.
Or if joint hosts are found, will each have a bye to the finals?
According to reports, the WC can now accommodate more joint bids and the U.S., Mexico & Canada are thinking about a joint bid for the 2026 WC.http://www.foxsportsasia.com/...world-cup-joint-bid/




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Doesn't look like Uruguay will be hosting the centennial World Cup in 2030.


With 48 teams to accomodate, the number of potential hosts must be rather limited.
Or if joint hosts are found, will each have a bye to the finals?
According to reports, the WC can now accommodate more joint bid and the U.S., Mexico & Canada are thinking about a joint bid for the 2026 WC.http://www.foxsportsasia.com/...world-cup-joint-bid/




Is Donald Trump behind the bid. He is well-known for encouraging close links with Mexico, so much so that he wants to build an expensive wall to provide employment for hard up Mexicans!



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So, now we know the proposed allocations, I've pullled out what the 2026 World Cup would look like, based on current FIFA rankings and assuming USA are hosts:

Europe (16):
Germany
Belgium
France
Portugal
Spain
Switzerland
Wales
Poland
England
Italy
Croatia
Holland
Iceland
Rep of Ireland
Slovakia
Turkey

South America (6):
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Uruguay
Peru

North America (6):
USA (hosts)
Mexico
Costa Rica
Panama
Honduras
Haiti

Africa (9):
Egypt
Senegal
Cameroon
Burkina Faso
Tunisia
DR Congo
Nigeria
Ghana
Ivory Coast

Asia (8):
Iran
South Korea
Japan
Australia
Saudi Arabia
Uzbekistan
UAE
Qatar

OFC:
New Zealand

Playoffs (6):
Ecuador
Morocco
St Kitts & Nevis
Curaçao
China
Tahiti


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If this new allocation is approved and comes into being then I think the play-offs are to be seeded based on FIFA rankings.


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If this new allocation is approved and comes into being then I think the play-offs are to be seeded based on FIFA rankings.


Yes, with (in this case):
Ecuador playing the winners of St Kitts / Tahiti
Morocco playing the winners of curaçao / China


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If we assume FIFA maintains a 'top seed' system for the pools and no teams from the same continent can play each other, the groups could look something like this:

Group A
USA (hosts)
Croatia
Australia

Group B
Brazil (Seed)
Holland
Saudi Arabia

Group C
Argentina (Seed)
Iceland
Uzbekistan

Group D
Germany (Seed)
Peru
UAE

Group E
Chile (Seed)
Rep of Ireland
Qatar

Group F
Belgium (Seed)
Ecuador
New Zealand

Group G
France (Seed)
Mexico
Egypt

Group H
Colombia (Seed)
Slovakia
Senegal

Group I
Portugal (Seed)
Costa Rica
Cameroon

Group J
Uruguay (Seed)
Turkey
Burkina Faso

Group K
Spain (Seed)
Panama
Tunisia

Group L
Switzerland (Seed)
Honduras
DR Congo

Group M
Wales (Seed)
Haiti
Nigeria

Group N
Poland (seed)
Iran
Ghana

Group O
England (Seed)
South Korea
Ivory Coast

Group P
Italy (Seed)
Japan
Morocco


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If we assume FIFA maintains a 'top seed' system for the pools and no teams from the same continent can play each other, the groups could look something like this:

Group A
USA (hosts)
Croatia
Australia

Group B
Brazil (Seed)
Holland
Saudi Arabia

Group C
Argentina (Seed)
Iceland
Uzbekistan

Group D
Germany (Seed)
Peru
UAE

Group E
Chile (Seed)
Rep of Ireland
Qatar

Group F
Belgium (Seed)
Ecuador
New Zealand

Group G
France (Seed)
Mexico
Egypt

Group H
Colombia (Seed)
Slovakia
Senegal

Group I
Portugal (Seed)
Costa Rica
Cameroon

Group J
Uruguay (Seed)
Turkey
Burkina Faso

Group K
Spain (Seed)
Panama
Tunisia

Group L
Switzerland (Seed)
Honduras
DR Congo

Group M
Wales (Seed)
Haiti
Nigeria

Group N
Poland (seed)
Iran
Ghana

Group O
England (Seed)
South Korea
Ivory Coast

Group P
Italy (Seed)
Japan
Morocco


Based on your groups then there a few games that don't get the pulse racing and of course an England failure at the group stage.


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Yes, I'm not sure whether the low point was reaching 'Group P', Wales being top seeds or Iceland v Uzbekistan in a qualification decider!


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Wake me up when the second round starts.


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Wake me up when the idea is binned!


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Since an expanded World Cup is money based rather than football based then I compiled a list of qualifiers for 2026 based on FIFA's sponsors requirements. The list of based on the top 48 economies, using FIFA allocations for each region and where a region doesn't have a country with an economy in the top 48 then FIFA ranking is used. Each section is alphabetical order not economy or FIFA ranking order.

UEFA (16 places plus 1 play-off)
Austria
Belgium
England
France
Germany
Israel
Italy
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Republic of Ireland
Russia
Scotland
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey

CAF (9 places)
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Congo DR
Egypt
Ghana
Nigeria
Senegal
South Africa
Tunisia

AFC (8 places plus 1 play-off)
Australia
China
India
Indonesia
Iran
Japan
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Thailand

CONCACAF (6 places)
Canada
Costa Rica
Haiti
Mexico
Panama
United States of America

CONMEBOL (6 places)
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Uruguay
Venezuela

OFC (1 place)
New Zealand


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What happens when they want to expand it even further?

Ah yes, I can see it now...

Qualifying Group 1094 For World Cup 2040

England
Azores
Morrison's Supermarket (because Iceland triggers bad memories)
The Teletubbies
David Icke
Geoffrey, Bungle, Zippy & George


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What happens when they want to expand it even further?

Ah yes, I can see it now...

Qualifying Group 1094 For World Cup 2040

England
Azores
Morrison's Supermarket (because Iceland triggers bad memories)
The Teletubbies
David Icke
Geoffrey, Bungle, Zippy & George



Is Bungle with or without PJ's & is there national anthem 'follow me I'm the leader of the band'?Laugh


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Since an expanded World Cup is money based rather than football based then I compiled a list of qualifiers for 2026 based on FIFA's sponsors requirements. The list of based on the top 48 economies, using FIFA allocations for each region and where a region doesn't have a country with an economy in the top 48 then FIFA ranking is used.

Presumably at the end of a convoluted series of matches at the finals the results will be rigged to ensure a USA v China final where maybe (just maybe) the winners will be the team that scores most goals rather than the one with the biggest economy.


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Since an expanded World Cup is money based rather than football based then I compiled a list of qualifiers for 2026 based on FIFA's sponsors requirements. The list of based on the top 48 economies, using FIFA allocations for each region and where a region doesn't have a country with an economy in the top 48 then FIFA ranking is used.

Presumably at the end of a convoluted series of matches at the finals the results will be rigged to ensure a USA v China final where maybe (just maybe) the winners will be the team that scores most goals rather than the one with the biggest economy.


So Germany then Laugh


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What happens when they want to expand it even further?

Ah yes, I can see it now...

Qualifying Group 1094 For World Cup 2040

England
Azores
Morrison's Supermarket (because Iceland triggers bad memories)
The Teletubbies
David Icke
Geoffrey, Bungle, Zippy & George

Are these three parts of a superteam?

David Icke in goal, Teletubbies in defence, George and Zippy up front.

So who misses out from Rod, Jane and Freddy to partner Geoffrey and Bungle in midfield?



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Jane will definitely be partnering both Rod AND Freddie Tongue


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Jane will definitely be partnering both Rod AND Freddie Tongue



With Zippo & Georgina watching(the cousins of Zippy & George)Laugh


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Roger too (and Matthew - wonder if you know who I mean?)

No mention of Twangers at half time Tongue


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The United States, Canada and Mexico have announced they will make a joint bid to host the 2026 World Cup. The proposal would be for the USA to host 60 matches, with 10 games each in Canada and Mexico.

With President Trump wanting t build a wall between USA and Mexico then theyy will have to make provision for a turnstile built into the wall Laugh. If the bid is successful then it will be the third time Mexico will have hosted a World Cup (1970 & 1986) and second time for the USA (1994).


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The United States, Canada and Mexico have announced they will make a joint bid to host the 2026 World Cup. The proposal would be for the USA to host 60 matches, with 10 games each in Canada and Mexico.

With President Trump wanting t build a wall between USA and Mexico then theyy will have to make provision for a turnstile built into the wall Laugh. If the bid is successful then it will be the third time Mexico will have hosted a World Cup (1970 & 1986) and second time for the USA (1994).


That rubs out half of the automatic qualification places for CONCAF then, albeit Mexico and USA tend to occupy two of the current three places anyway.

By my interpretation of the proposed qualifying rules, COnCAF would be left with 3 automatic and 2 play-off places.


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The United States, Canada and Mexico have announced they will make a joint bid to host the 2026 World Cup. The proposal would be for the USA to host 60 matches, with 10 games each in Canada and Mexico.

With President Trump wanting t build a wall between USA and Mexico then theyy will have to make provision for a turnstile built into the wall Laugh. If the bid is successful then it will be the third time Mexico will have hosted a World Cup (1970 & 1986) and second time for the USA (1994).



Mexico will obviously have to pay for the whole competition thoughLaugh


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With a decision from FIFA regarding hosts for 2026 not being made until 2020 that doesn't leave a lot of time for preparation, which would mostly be upgrades to the stadiums for this bid. Six years rules out almost every other country that might have considered a bid and current FIFA rules mean no bids can come from either Asia or Europe. Unless Europe is allowed to bid then this joint USA/Mexico/Canada bid could be the only one on the table.


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The United States, Canada and Mexico have announced they will make a joint bid to host the 2026 World Cup. The proposal would be for the USA to host 60 matches, with 10 games each in Canada and Mexico.

With President Trump wanting t build a wall between USA and Mexico then theyy will have to make provision for a turnstile built into the wall Laugh. If the bid is successful then it will be the third time Mexico will have hosted a World Cup (1970 & 1986) and second time for the USA (1994).


That rubs out half of the automatic qualification places for CONCAF then, albeit Mexico and USA tend to occupy two of the current three places anyway.

By my interpretation of the proposed qualifying rules, COnCAF would be left with 3 automatic and 2 play-off places.

With a co hosted WC, all the hosts wouldn't necessarily qualify automatically

The number of automatic qualifiers is decided by FIFA

http://www.fifa.com/...ifa-wor-2878254.html



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