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windydcfc
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There’s a change.org campaign, to stop the club having it’s name changed & moved 11 miles to Dunswell. You can sign it here https://www.change.org/...ignature_receipt#_=_


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very confusing going on in the area of hull with a few clubs having played at dunswell in the recent past. Im not sure what advantages he would gain by playing there,a small village so no increase in catchment area and hardly as if the north ferriby fans would go there. Whilst the Wimbleton move to MK dons was controversial, Wimbleton had been ground sharing for over 10 years, north ferriby have a ground in the town.



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Didn't realise Wimbleton moved to MK Dons.Sly


Villager
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Oct 29, 2018, 3:13 PM

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It's easy to be confused!
Dunswell is a tiny village in the East Riding of Yorkshire. It shares a border with the City of Hull. However, the argument for moving is that there are probably 100,000 people within a 15/20 minute drive so there is potential for a club to get decent gates.

Consequently, such a move would not see the team playing in Hull.

Calling it East Hull is also a misnomer as Dunswell is to the north of Hull on the road to Beverley.

Few, if any, Ferriby fans will not travel to Dunswell to watch the team play under a new name.

What will happen is anybody's guess. I don't think the FA will sanction the name change but knowing the FA, anything is possible.

Dunswell Park does not meet NPL criteria at the moment. but Jamie Waltham, who owns the ground, has been informed of what needs doing.

Should the move fall through I still fear for the future of the club due to ongoing financial problems. In some ways, a change of name and/or location are the least of the worries.

Just to clarify one issue that has been mentioned regarding the move. It has nothing to do with selling Ferriby's ground for commercial/residential development. The club cannot sell it as it is owned by the Parish Council from whom the club leases it.


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Dunswell is a tiny village in the East Riding of Yorkshire. It shares a border with the City of Hull. However, the argument for moving is that there are probably 100,000 people within a 15/20 minute drive so there is potential for a club to get decent gates. Consequently, such a move would not see the team playing in Hull.

I'm sure Ferriby would be better off staying in their own village. Has any football club based at Dunswell ever attracted decent gates, despite that village's relative proximity to Hull? No. If experience tells us anything, sadly, it's that the people of Hull do not have any interest in watching non-league football.


scottywalds
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There’s a change.org campaign, to stop the club having it’s name changed & moved 11 miles to Dunswell. You can sign it here https://www.change.org/...ignature_receipt#_=_


I'd rather they quickly drop back down to whatever level they were at before buying promotions, eventually into the Conference - NCEL?


windydcfc
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There’s a change.org campaign, to stop the club having it’s name changed & moved 11 miles to Dunswell. You can sign it here https://www.change.org/...ignature_receipt#_=_


I'd rather they quickly drop back down to whatever level they were at before buying promotions, eventually into the Conference - NCEL?



I know it’s not exactly the same set of circumstances, but Truro are another basket case that bought the dream & are now heading back down. It wouldn’t surprise me, if both clubs don’t end up taking multiple demotions just to survive!


Villager
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Oct 29, 2018, 5:23 PM

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You are right that there appears to be no appetite for non-league football in Hull. Hall Road Rangers rarely got over 100 at Dene Park, now Dunswell Park, and they still get small crowds at their new ground at Haworth Park. I don't see any side getting good crowds at Dunswell. East Yorkshire Carnegie struggle to get 50.

The club has kicked above its weight for a long time and on smaller budgets that many would believe. Ferriby would be better served by staying in the village. They may have to settle for NCEL football given the general lack of interest in attending games.


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The owner claimed to have a playing budget of £1200 (and average home gates of £1000). That sort of budget would do well to get them in the top half of the NECL these days.


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Whatever happens I hope that the Church Road ground doesn't disappear under bricks and mortar as its always been one ground I looked forward to visiting every season when North Ferriby hosted Guiseley


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#207
North Ferribys application to relocate has been rejected.

Good

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/npl-statement-north-ferriby-united-54736



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windydcfc
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#207
North Ferribys application to relocate has been rejected.

Good

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/...ferriby-united-54736


TonyD
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#207
North Ferribys application to relocate has been rejected.

Good

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/...ferriby-united-54736


You’d have thought the statement would’ve given some indication of why the NPL would not support the move, although I am pleased with the result.


windydcfc
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Jan 26, 2019, 7:06 PM

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NFU have been handed a winding up order according to Hull Kingston Radio


Villager
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Jan 27, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Sadly, I can confirm that a winding-up petition was hand-delivered to the club prior to yesterday's game against Basford.

The petition is scheduled to be heard on 15 March in Hull. Unless the debt is satisfied prior to then, I can't see the club avoiding a winding-up order.

Consequently, administration looks most likely followed, probably, by liquidation. It's difficult to see anybody coming in to pay the debt/buy the club as there are other outstanding debts.


bigjmc
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Jan 27, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Very sad if it ends that way, but at least it might give the real supporters a chance to start over again and get rid of the speculators?


BDA_85
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If they don't last until the end of the season, will all results be expunged? Not sure what impact that would have on the table but it would be interesting to see.


rainworthgord
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Really hope this is not the end, always enjoyed my visits to NFU although it’s a long time since I was last there.


Villager
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Jan 28, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Given that the debt that is the cause of the petition is not the only one, I am very pessimistic about the club surviving.

For that to happen it probably needs an individual or group to step in, make an offer the owners can't refuse, clear the debts and provide enough cash to see the season out.

I know very little about insolvency law so I don't know what steps are open to the current owners or to potential new owners now the petition has been issued.

If the club is to survive or be reconstituteed, the new owner(s) need to decide at what level this should be.

With the exception of 2012-13 average attendances have been below 300 and often below 200 in the club's time in the NPL and NCEL.

They were higher in the Conference seasons as you would expect.

It may well be that a return to the NCEL may be the best future option. Of course, if there is to be a brand new club, it could end up in the Humber Premier League.

It's disheartening but those of us with vilunteer roles will carry-on until the end, wjatever and whenever that may be.


kirby knitters
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Jan 28, 2019, 8:48 PM

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What assets do the club have? If minimal then administration may not be the answer, if club can of course find a company willing to take it on. Never a cheap option as Nuneaton found out before deciding to liquidate. Sad news whatever happens.


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2017 accounts show fixed assets of £170,000...


Dazzla84
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If they don't last until the end of the season, will all results be expunged? Not sure what impact that would have on the table but it would be interesting to see.


If they've played more than 75% of their fixtures (They need to fulfill another 4 games to meet that percentage) then i believe "The Spennymoor Rule" would apply, meaning that their record would be kept and any future opponents would be automatically awarded 3-0 victories

If not then their records will be expunged which ironically would benefit the current league leaders South Shields as one of North Ferriby's two victories came against them in August

These are their remaining league games

Sat Feb 2nd: Farsley Celtic (A)
Sat Feb 9th: Workington (H)
Sat Feb 16th: Witton Albion (A)
Sat Feb 23rd: Gainsborough Trinity (H) - Game 32
Sat Mar 2nd: Matlock Town (A)
Sat Mar 9th: Workington (A)
-------- WINDING-UP PETITION HEARING --------
Sat Mar 16th: Bamber Bridge (H)
Sat Mar 23rd: Stalybridge Celtic (A)
Sat Mar 30th: Buxton (H)
Sat Apr 6th: Stafford Rangers (A)
Sat Apr 13th: Nantwich Town (A)
Sat Apr 20th: Mickleover Sports (H)
Mon Apr 22nd: Hednesford Town (A)
Sat Apr 27th: Hyde United (H)

TOP SIX IF NORTH FERRIBY'S RECORD IS EXPUNGED RIGHT NOW

(Played - Points)

1. South Shields ........ 25 - 56
2. Farsley Celtic ........ 25 - 53
3. Nantwich Town ........ 27 - 53
4. Warrington Town ........ 24 - 50
5. Gainsborough Trinity ........ 27 - 46
6. Scarborough Athletic ........ 27 - 44



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If they don't last until the end of the season, will all results be expunged? Not sure what impact that would have on the table but it would be interesting to see.


If they've played more than 75% of their fixtures (They need to fulfill another 4 games to meet that percentage) then i believe "The Spennymoor Rule" would apply, meaning that their record would be kept and any future opponents would be automatically awarded 3-0 victories

You cannot award 3-0 victories under current FA Rule - you have to award 0-0 victories.


exile
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Given that the debt that is the cause of the petition is not the only one, I am very pessimistic about the club surviving.

For that to happen it probably needs an individual or group to step in, make an offer the owners can't refuse, clear the debts and provide enough cash to see the season out.

I know very little about insolvency law so I don't know what steps are open to the current owners or to potential new owners now the petition has been issued.

If the club is to survive or be reconstituteed, the new owner(s) need to decide at what level this should be.

With the exception of 2012-13 average attendances have been below 300 and often below 200 in the club's time in the NPL and NCEL.

They were higher in the Conference seasons as you would expect.

It may well be that a return to the NCEL may be the best future option. Of course, if there is to be a brand new club, it could end up in the Humber Premier League.

It's disheartening but those of us with vilunteer roles will carry-on until the end, wjatever and whenever that may be.


At what point does the three division rule kick in. If they fold whilst still members of the Evo Stick Premier does that mean they could go in NCE 1? Does the three division rule even exist in practice?
I believe the ground is council owned so hopefully a new club could play there?


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Given that the debt that is the cause of the petition is not the only one, I am very pessimistic about the club surviving.

For that to happen it probably needs an individual or group to step in, make an offer the owners can't refuse, clear the debts and provide enough cash to see the season out.

I know very little about insolvency law so I don't know what steps are open to the current owners or to potential new owners now the petition has been issued.

If the club is to survive or be reconstituted, the new owner(s) need to decide at what level this should be.

With the exception of 2012-13 average attendances have been below 300 and often below 200 in the club's time in the NPL and NCEL.

They were higher in the Conference seasons as you would expect.

It may well be that a return to the NCEL may be the best future option. Of course, if there is to be a brand new club, it could end up in the Humber Premier League.

It's disheartening but those of us with volunteer roles will carry-on until the end, whatever and whenever that may be.


At what point does the three division rule kick in. If they fold whilst still members of the Evo Stick Premier does that mean they could go in NCE 1? Does the three division rule even exist in practice?
I believe the ground is council owned so hopefully a new club could play there?


I believe it is still the case that if a club in Steps 1 > 3 folds during the season the very highest a Phoenix Club may restart the following year is Step 5 (blame Chester, who thought they were too big for the for the NWCL and the village clubs wouldn't cope with their 2000 travelling support). For a Step 4 Club & below it is a two step drop.



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