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Sure this was covered elsewhere maybe in the Weatherspoons thread but it has been brought to my attention that even more pubs in Oxford (mostly east of the Cherwell) have gone or are going.
In the past 10 to 15 many in the Abingson Road area have gone or been transformed into other things, one a Tesco Metro. Think one of the remaining ones is up for lease at present - Duke of Monmouth,
In Cowley where such pubs as the Exeter Hall have morphed into Indian type restaurant, Donington Arms ditto. The Nelson is boarded up as is Nuffield Arms. Most of the pubs in Littlemore went years ago, one in Sandford forget the name went a year or two back. In Headington I've been told the Fairview is now boarded up and plans are to transform it into flats. The Quarry Gate is awaiting the same fate. Both of Barton's pubs went years ago, three if you count the Shotover.
I know this is a country wide thing but add to this the number of established clubs that have gone, particularly in Headington and the area does seem to have an above average closer rate. The bottom line is drink is very expensive in the area, housing and living costs are very expensive and wages on the whole are very low.


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The Cottage Inn, Hospital Hill, Dunfermline has now been split between a vet's surgery and a branch of PaintShed. It closed briefly a few years back, was refurbished and opened briefly again as a pub, but then was closed for two or three years before current tenants moved in.
The Inn At The Park in Duloch Park aka Tescoville was built and opened not 10 years ago, then became an Indian Restaurant and is now something else that I can't recall! The Indian restaurant was actually very good but the owners were forced out by a huge hike in rent.
I'd have to have a search but I'm sure there would be a few ex-pubs in the town now serving other purposes.
On the other hand the Guildhall building has become the Guildhall and Linen Exchange, the ubiquitous Wetherspoons. The building was falling into disrepair and does at least look somewhere near its former glory, even if not all would approve.


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The Cottage Inn, Hospital Hill, Dunfermline has now been split between a vet's surgery and a branch of PaintShed. It closed briefly a few years back, was refurbished and opened briefly again as a pub, but then was closed for two or three years before current tenants moved in.
The Inn At The Park in Duloch Park aka Tescoville was built and opened not 10 years ago, then became an Indian Restaurant and is now something else that I can't recall! The Indian restaurant was actually very good but the owners were forced out by a huge hike in rent.
I'd have to have a search but I'm sure there would be a few ex-pubs in the town now serving other purposes.
On the other hand the Guildhall building has become the Guildhall and Linen Exchange, the ubiquitous Wetherspoons. The building was falling into disrepair and does at least look somewhere near its former glory, even if not all would approve.
The Indian at Duloch (Bombay Brasserie) is now a Barhead Travel, who have moved from their wee shop just across from it. In Cowdenbeath the old Kirkford Tavern is now a corner shop.



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Here's 32 gone from Oxford since I moved there in Sep 2000 (yes it's on a spreadsheet. Of course it is)

Wharf House - flats Holywells - was a shop now flats? Marlborough House one of the Abingdon Road casualties King of Prussia - pizza? Was a squat and caught fire at one point Elm Tree - now back to being a "craft ale" bar having been a Chinese? Prince of Ales - Nando's Cowley Road Horse & Jockey - flats Globe - erm... was that in Jericho? flats then Friar Marston Road - Tesco or not Tesco that is the question Plasterers Arms - flats Market Tavern - wagamama Old School - Indian Fox & Hounds - Tesco Exeter Hall - Moslem centre - not even an Indian restaurant any more General Elliott - actually reopening! Duke of York - demolished to make way for shopping centre revamp Somerset - cocktail bar? Marston area Donnington Arms - Nepalese restaurant Temple Bar - café Woodstock Arms - demolished Cavalier - demolished for housing Brewery Gate - housing Turl - university took it back for function rooms Three Horseshoes - house Shelley Arms - ? Bricklayers Arms - housing Osney Arms - B&B George - music shop Fairview - see acmold's notes Nelson - closed down after drug bust Quarry Gate - housing soon? Duke of Monmouth - see acmold's notes

And since I moved to Abingdon 2 have gone 1 has opened (Spoons of course) one is pretty much just a restaurant but others are thriving. Nags Head closed for a while but now CAMRA award winner; Grapes opposite Spoons against the odds. Saxton Arms, the archetypal council estate pub, probable next casualty


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Haven`t done too bad around here though the memory of The Duke Of Wellington has taken a bit of a bashing with The Iron Duke and The Waterloo Hotel in Crowthorne both being redeveloped for housing. This goes alongside The Wellington Hotel which closed in the 1970`s by Crowthorne Station. This leaves just 2 pubs in Crowthorne, The Prince and The Crowthorne Inn. In nearby Sandhurst comes another blow for The Duke as The Dukes Head is currently shut though being advertised to let as another pub. Another local was The Queen on the A30 in Blackwater which closed a couple of years back and has had a couple of reincarnations as Indian Restaurants but when I drove past last week I noted this is now a Tesco Express.



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Lets take an area of Plymouth (Stonehouse) where I ran a pub for 4 years and list the closures that I recall from 2006 to today.

Britannia Inn- Octagon Street - now a Restart rehab centre
Olive Tree - Anstis Street - private house
Francis Arms (my old pub) Francis Street - Restart rehab centre
Wyndham Arms - Wyndham Square - Restart Rehab centre
Wolsdon Inn - Wolsdon Street - Flats
Duke of Somerset - Wolsdon Street - in total ruins but being turned into a house
Somerset Arms- North Road West- recently shut I think?
Archer Inn - Archer Terrace - private house
Patna Inn - Patna Place - flats
Queen Adelaide- Adelaide Street - house
White Lion - Clarence Place- house
Prince Alfred - Clarence Place - house
Dog and Duck- Arundel Crescent- demolished now flats

This leaves- Melbourne Inn, Duchy of Cornwall, The Office, Famous Firkin, No 10 Club and The Clarence.

You can walk from the No 10 Club to The Office as the furthest in around 10 minutes.

Naturally within 10 minutes of all these pubs is a Weatherspoons- the wonderful (not) Union Rooms. Add that these were mostly small back street boozers with no food - The Francis was literally a front room! it's not a real surprise.


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Independent small businesses struggle to compete with big companies like Wetherspoons who have much greater purchasing power.

Wetherspoons opened a pub in the small market town of Brigg a few weeks ago. Today it was reported that two of the local licensees have given notice to the pub companies as they can no longer run viable businesses. The Pubco will no doubt find someone else to take over but when the inevitable failures happen, these pubs will close and never reopen. Make of that what you will but personally I like to have a range of options as to where I drink, even if it costs me a few pence more. In my opinion JDW are directly responsible for a number of pub closures which is why I treat them very much as a last resort. Like Tescos actually....



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A lot of the problem is down to the way the pub managers have
been hamstrung by a lack of alternative purchasing over the years.

I may be wrong but our alcohol sales thingy is unique in the world,
whereas, say Spain for example, you get a license from the local
'ajuntament' then buy your wares from who and wherever.




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Lets take an area of Plymouth (Stonehouse) where I ran a pub for 4 years and list the closures that I recall from 2006 to today.

Britannia Inn- Octagon Street - now a Restart rehab centre
Olive Tree - Anstis Street - private house
Francis Arms (my old pub) Francis Street - Restart rehab centre
Wyndham Arms - Wyndham Square - Restart Rehab centre
Wolsdon Inn - Wolsdon Street - Flats
Duke of Somerset - Wolsdon Street - in total ruins but being turned into a house
Somerset Arms- North Road West- recently shut I think?
Archer Inn - Archer Terrace - private house
Patna Inn - Patna Place - flats
Queen Adelaide- Adelaide Street - house
White Lion - Clarence Place- house
Prince Alfred - Clarence Place - house
Dog and Duck- Arundel Crescent- demolished now flats

This leaves- Melbourne Inn, Duchy of Cornwall, The Office, Famous Firkin, No 10 Club and The Clarence.

You can walk from the No 10 Club to The Office as the furthest in around 10 minutes.

Naturally within 10 minutes of all these pubs is a Weatherspoons- the wonderful (not) Union Rooms. Add that these were mostly small back street boozers with no food - The Francis was literally a front room! it's not a real surprise.


Phil - Is the Notte Inn still there near the rail station?


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A lot of the problem is down to the way the pub managers have been hamstrung by a lack of alternative purchasing over the years.

I may be wrong but our alcohol sales thingy is unique in the world, whereas, say Spain for example, you get a license from the local 'ajuntament' then buy your wares from who and wherever.


Genuinely independent outlets can do this – there just aren't many of them.

The 1988 MMC report on the brewing industry turned out to be a disastrous intervention in the 'market'. It was because of that that eventually so many pubs were sold and sold again, the cost going up (especially after 2000) to the point at which the owners couldn't recover the cost of purchase without whacking up rents or beer prices – or both. Many were sold off for development to cover the losses.

Recent changes in the law will allow tenants of large pubcos (500+) to demand a rent review and take the option of a market rent only and buy their beer on the open market (the pubcos and big beer producers had some cosy arrangements).

Another change in the same bill (Small Business, Enterprise and Employment) will provide protection for tenants if their pub is sold to a company outside the statutory code e.g. a family brewer.


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The Notte Inn is still open.it is on Notte Street which is not really near the railway station. From the station you walk through the city centre, towards the Barbican. Probably a good mile from the station.


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Of the pubs I mentioned only a few can be directly effected by Weatherspoons, there are only 3 in Oxford and 2 of those are in the city centre within 400 or 500 yards of each other. It's more down to the cost of living around here and low wages of many in the east of the city.


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Of the pubs I mentioned only a few can be directly effected by Weatherspoons, there are only 3 in Oxford and 2 of those are in the city centre within 400 or 500 yards of each other. It's more down to the cost of living around here and low wages of many in the east of the city.


Another reason for the rate at which pubs are closing down in Oxford is that the students (and most young people for that matter) are drinking less alcohol and spending their money on other things.

I come into contact with a lot of students through my work, and most of them these days would rate having a good quality phone/computer/i-pad as much more important in their life than drinking alcohol (or buying music, hence the awful collapse in the number of record shops in Oxford too). When I was a student in the late 80s in Swansea (admittedly, a very cheap city to live in, during a much cheaper era in which to be a student), the only things for me to spend money on were booze, watching the Swans and (occasionally) watching Glamorgan CCC (all very inexpensive pass-times in those days). Students these days have other interests and priorities, as well as generally working much harder on their studies - booze for them simply isn't as important to them.

That goes for other sections of society too. There simply isn't the same large groups of sailors roaming Plymouth or Portsmouth these days to support the number of pubs there were even just ten or fifteen years ago, nor squadies in Aldershot, nor dockers in London, nor biscuit-bakers in Reading, etc. etc. There are so many other distractions in life these days, and the (sometimes messy) habit of drinking alcohol (and perhaps the hangovers that go with it) simply no longer fits into many people's lives.

Incidentally, I remember drinking in The Plasterers at the foot of Headington Hill on a Friday afternoon (in early 2003?). When I passed it on the following Monday morning, it had been closed and bulldozed in double-quick time!


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Of the pubs I mentioned only a few can be directly effected by Weatherspoons, there are only 3 in Oxford and 2 of those are in the city centre within 400 or 500 yards of each other. It's more down to the cost of living around here and low wages of many in the east of the city.


Another reason for the rate at which pubs are closing down in Oxford is that the students (and most young people for that matter) are drinking less alcohol and spending their money on other things.

I come into contact with a lot of students through my work, and most of them these days would rate having a good quality phone/computer/i-pad as much more important in their life than drinking alcohol (or buying music, hence the awful collapse in the number of record shops in Oxford too). When I was a student in the late 80s in Swansea (admittedly, a very cheap city to live in, during a much cheaper era in which to be a student), the only things for me to spend money on were booze, watching the Swans and (occasionally) watching Glamorgan CCC (all very inexpensive pass-times in those days). Students these days have other interests and priorities, as well as generally working much harder on their studies - booze for them simply isn't as important to them.

That goes for other sections of society too. There simply isn't the same large groups of sailors roaming Plymouth or Portsmouth these days to support the number of pubs there were even just ten or fifteen years ago, nor squadies in Aldershot, nor dockers in London, nor biscuit-bakers in Reading, etc. etc. There are so many other distractions in life these days, and the (sometimes messy) habit of drinking alcohol (and perhaps the hangovers that go with it) simply no longer fits into many people's lives.

I think you are right but I don't quite go along with the idea that young people drink less than our generation did. My two student-age children drink as much as I used to; they just don't do it in pubs and clubs. Youngsters today get together in each others' homes (or mine during holidays) and drink alcohol that they have bought from cheaper outlets (or filched from my stock Mad).

Or maybe my children and their friends are just budding alcoholics. Crazy


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The Lyne Tavern in Netherton Broad Street Dunfermline has now become a tapas restaurant Tapas Ducal.
The proprietors of Tapas Ducal were previously located at the top Cowdenbeath High Street as La Ducal. That was vacated, along with North End Park football ground, as part of a plan to redevelop that area into a Tesco. Tesco cut backs have now knocked that one on the head.


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Whilst they are still classed as pubs I'm getting a bit tired of pubs round my way (South london) becoming prodominatly eating establishments. I've grown up going in loads of Youngs pubs and they all seem to be closing for refurb and opening three months later as basically restaurants. I went into one near me on Sunday and if you were not eating then it felt as though they didn't want your custom.


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The Sun & Stars in Fifield, Berkshire all boarded up when I drove past this morning.



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Here's 32 gone from Oxford since I moved there in Sep 2000 (yes it's on a spreadsheet. Of course it is)

Wharf House - flats Holywells - was a shop now flats? Marlborough House one of the Abingdon Road casualties King of Prussia - pizza? Was a squat and caught fire at one point Elm Tree - now back to being a "craft ale" bar having been a Chinese? Prince of Ales - Nando's Cowley Road Horse & Jockey - flats Globe - erm... was that in Jericho? flats then Friar Marston Road - Tesco or not Tesco that is the question Plasterers Arms - flats Market Tavern - wagamama Old School - Indian Fox & Hounds - Tesco Exeter Hall - Moslem centre - not even an Indian restaurant any more General Elliott - actually reopening! Duke of York - demolished to make way for shopping centre revamp Somerset - cocktail bar? Marston area Donnington Arms - Nepalese restaurant Temple Bar - café Woodstock Arms - demolished Cavalier - demolished for housing Brewery Gate - housing Turl - university took it back for function rooms Three Horseshoes - house Shelley Arms - ? Bricklayers Arms - housing Osney Arms - B&B George - music shop Fairview - see acmold's notes Nelson - closed down after drug bust Quarry Gate - housing soon? Duke of Monmouth - see acmold's notes


You can add The Ampleforth Arms, presently boarded up in Risinghurst estate, to that list now. Successive landlords have failed to make the style of living they've wanted from it, but the locals seem to believe the place has a future, meaning its in the balance as to whether the closure is long- or short-term.

Local Risinghurst lad CS Lewis (writer of the Narnia stuff, rather than Morse's sidekick) used to drink in The Ampleforth, though unfortunately for the pub, the coachloads of American and Japanese tourists tend to flock to The Eagle & Child in the city centre instead.

CS Lewis's greatest claim to fame, however, is the fact that he died on the same day as JFK, with the result that the world's news-reporting media (bar perhaps the Oxford Mail!) totally ignored his passing. Hoppers who also tick the burial sites of the famous may like to know that CS Lewis's grave is at Holy Trinity Church in nearby Headington Quarry, not far from Margaret Road recreation ground - site of the very first football match played by Headington/Oxford United FC, on 13th January 1894. The Hellenic ground of Headington Amateurs is a ten minute walk away.


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The King of Prussia site is now a Co-op though there are 3 Pizza parlours within 100 yards plus three other takeaways. Brannos is the best value for Pizza, the Chip Shop next to the Co-op just before Papa Johns is very good for Fish & Chips, in fact they do Cod Roe for just £1. When I was a kid it was a proper row of shops and there was no need for two betting shops in those days. Though it has lasted better than some of the other 1930's estate shops, the one in Florence Park has just a General Store and Hairdresser left plus the Jolly Post Boys. The Westbury Crescent / Mayfair Road one has just one shop and Executive Alarms HQ (owned by the Keowns) the Queens Westbury which used to stage soul discos (Thursday and Sunday) when I was a lad is long gone. And the row in Herschal Crescent I think has totally gone now, no pub ever there though.


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You can add The Ampleforth Arms, presently boarded up in Risinghurst estate, to that list now. Successive landlords have failed to make the style of living they've wanted from it, but the locals seem to believe the place has a future, meaning its in the balance as to whether the closure is long- or short-term.

Local Risinghurst lad CS Lewis (writer of the Narnia stuff, rather than Morse's sidekick) used to drink in The Ampleforth, though unfortunately for the pub, the coachloads of American and Japanese tourists tend to flock to The Eagle & Child in the city centre instead.

CS Lewis's greatest claim to fame, however, is the fact that he died on the same day as JFK, with the result that the world's news-reporting media (bar perhaps the Oxford Mail!) totally ignored his passing. Hoppers who also tick the burial sites of the famous may like to know that CS Lewis's grave is at Holy Trinity Church in nearby Headington Quarry, not far from Margaret Road recreation ground - site of the very first football match played by Headington/Oxford United FC, on 13th January 1894. The Hellenic ground of Headington Amateurs is a ten minute walk away.
Aldous Huxley also died the same day as JFK. This is referred to in the Sheryl Crow song 'Run baby run'.




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The actual pitch Headington Quarry played Headington on is not quite where Quarry Rec is Most of the area was developed in circa 1934 and prior to that date games were played where Mark Road is. The whole area from Rock Edge and Titup to St Anne's Road and then to the Hollow was just fields. The pitch may have been behind the village hall which is opposite to the dressing rooms at the Rec Those were constructed by the Nomads between the late 50's and early 60's the clubs halcyon days which saw at it's peak the most famous cup final victory of 1966 or that's what the Oxford Mail said 


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The actual pitch Headington Quarry played Headington on is not quite where Quarry Rec is Most of the area was developed in circa 1934 and prior to that date games were played where Mark Road is. The whole area from Rock Edge and Titup to St Anne's Road and then to the Hollow was just fields. The pitch may have been behind the village hall which is opposite to the dressing rooms at the Rec Those were constructed by the Nomads between the late 50's and early 60's the clubs halcyon days which saw at it's peak the most famous cup final victory of 1966 or that's what the Oxford Mail said



This is an example of what gets my goal. You go on to a beer/pub thread and there's someone banging on about dead people or Oxford with little if any pub-related content whatsoever Shocked


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CS Lewis's greatest claim to fame, however, is the fact that he died on the same day as JFK.


That would be a daft thing to say even if Lewis wasn't one of the finest English writers of the twentieth century, and one of the greatest Christian scholars of history. If what you said was true, everybody who died that day would be famous as a result.
Mother Teresa died the same week as Princess Diana, but they were both famous for other things too!


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There was a planning application to open a new pub in Cowley in the John Allen Centre this appears to have dead a death It would have been 100 yards from the William Morris Weatherspoons and was to be a Hungry House. If it were me I would have called it the William Morris and filled it with arty farty things to avoid confusion.


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Has the site suddenly got a problem with animal words? Buncranaboy is banging on about things getting his goal while acmold is talking about building Hungry Houses. Surely these should be goats and horses. Smile


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One I forgot to mention was The Royal Oak one of the Four famous pubs on the corner of Brentfords ground. It was shut in April as the landlord tried to hike the rent up due to Brentford playing in the championship. Rumoured planning application submitted for flats Unsure



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The goat is very good in my other local Hungry House though, the horse is restricted to burgers these days.


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The Brigstock in Thornton Heath, decent pub in its day, is now a church


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Another name to add to the long string of abandoned pubs in Oxford that have burnt down in mysterious circumstances:this time The Jack Russell in Marston...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...e_drone_photographs/

The fact that speculators want to build flats and/or a supermarket on the site is entirely coincidental (just like it has been every other time, too...)


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Had some good nights in the Pub in the 1980's, used to have live music and good Disco's.

The strange thing is if the boarded up Nelson self combusted no one would shed a tear, but it never does.


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Mrs Forman's, the pub at the end of Musselburgh racecourse and the Musselburgh Links golf course, has closed and is being turned into housing. It used to serve the golfers on the Links and up until last November was a decent restaurant but presumably just didn't pay.


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I remember driving past a boarded up pub on the Oswestry bypass in my childhood. It was like that for a while, now that got demolished and is now called the Lion Quays.


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Someone said the Woodstock Arms in Oxford is or has shut down, the turnover was very good by all accounts as it was outside the Old Radcliffe Hospital which is now part of the University. But the land is worth so much it far outweighs running a pub.

Abingdon has lost so many pubs in the last 25 years Ock St in particular many are now housing. Didcot is now losing pubs hand over fist despite doubling in size since Messrs North and FBF left.


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Drove past The Highwayman in Yateley this morning, now closed and houses being built. I remember eating there about 20 years ago when it was called The Monteagle Arms and witnessing guys going into the ladies. Took me a moment to realise they were dealing, Only been back a handful of times over the years.



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Another three pubs have recently closed in Portsmouth...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...their-part-1-7717530

A long long time since I supped in The Cabman's Rest in Somers Town, which was a handsome tiled stand-alone Victorian building in the centre of Portsmouth's biggest and roughest high-rise towerblock estate. Back in the eighties it had the unfortunate honour of being HQ for Pompey's 6.57 Crew football hooligan gang. Today, its unfortunate honour is to be tight-up nextdoor one of the fastest-growing universities in the country in a city already desperately short of accommodation - it is being converted into student flats.

I can't ever remember visiting The Swan, in the High Street in Cosham, but I suspect the large Wetherspoon just down the road hasn't helped their cause. A crying shame because the building is another handsome piece of architecture on a prominent street corner.

However, saddest of all is the closure of The Tap on the main London Road in North End, a former free-house of fantastic reputation. This former Victorian high-street shop became a licenced pub as recently as 1985 as an outlet for the nearby Southsea Brewery. Under a very adventurous landlord, it very quickly became the premier pub in the city for real ales and the regular hang-out for the local CAMRA society. I first went drinking in The Tap in 1990, about the time I first started attending beer festivals, and the place certainly played an early and important role in my interest in real ale. In fact, it was this very pub that I set off from in 1993 on a six-month-long cycling trip to Italy which ended with me attending Padova v. Pompey in the Anglo-Italian Cup (a 0-0 draw, as it happens!) When the landlord retired and sold up (in the early 2000s?), the pub was taken over by Punch Taverns with predictable consequences. I last went in there maybe three years ago, and although pleasant enough it was certainly a shadow of its former glory.

Here is an excellent website chronicling the past and present pubs of Portsmouth:

http://www.portsmouthpubs.org.uk


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Abingdon has lost so many pubs in the last 25 years Ock St in particular many are now housing.


Another Oxfordshire pub abandoned, then burnt down in a suspected arson attack. This time, 'The Saxton Arms' on the Saxton housing estate in Abingdon...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ck/?ref=mr&lp=12


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Another pub in Portsmouth has closed at short notice. Worryingly, it is another pub owned by Enterprise Inns, who have a record of closing good pubs.

This time it is The Eldon Arms, 11-17 Eldon Street, Portsmouth. This has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city, and has been a regular in the GBG for many years. Recently, the pub had a good reputation for decent ale, live music and always seemed to have a good atmosphere.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...en-closure-1-7753283

According to the local paper, the landlord left at short notice on 22nd December - a mighty strange time to leave a pub, I'd have thought. Whether this is personal issues or to do with rent rises will probably come out later, but a nearby restaurant closed in 2015 as well as The Dolphin in Old Portsmouth earlier this year due to Enterprise Inns' rent increases. Several other Enterprise-owned pubs have closed in the city over the past few years.

It will be a sad loss if the Eldon does not re-open.


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Another pub in Portsmouth has closed at short notice. Worryingly, it is another pub owned by Enterprise Inns, who have a record of closing good pubs.

This time it is The Eldon Arms, 11-17 Eldon Street, Portsmouth. This has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city, and has been a regular in the GBG for many years. Recently, the pub had a good reputation for decent ale, live music and always seemed to have a good atmosphere.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...en-closure-1-7753283

It will be a sad loss if the Eldon does not re-open.


Better news...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...sea-boozer-1-7776940

Regulars at The Eldon Arms are trying to get the local council to declare the pub an ACV - an Asset of Community Value.


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The self combusting Jack Russell in Oxford is to become 18 flats.

Rule of thumb never go in a pub or on a narrow boat in Oxford.


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Another article in the Portsmouth News about Enterprise Inns and the city's pubs...

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...to-survive-1-7955627

Apparently there are now six pubs in the Portsmouth area that are owned by Enterprise Inns that do not have landlords in place:

The Old House At Home, in Eastney
The Eldon Arms, in Somers Town
The Hoeford Inn, in Fareham
The Glencoe, in Gosport
The Three Tuns, in Gosport
The Milton Arms, in Milton

What with Enterprise Inns' already shocking and unsympathetic record in Portsmouth (including its woeful attitude to the historic 300-year old Dolphin Hotel last year), the future of some of these pubs must now be in doubt.

When in Portsmouth back at Easter, I popped into The Eldon Arms, having read about its struggles in the local news - it has long been one of my favourite pubs in the city. However, it really did seem down on its luck on this occasion: the once lovely back garden is overgrown and has become a dumping ground, the beer choice didn't extend any further than a couple of Fullers' usual suspects, the London Pride didn't taste too clever (I tipped a third of a pint of it into a flowerbed), and the near-empty main bar was dominated by one loud group of blokes - a far cry from the neighbourhood local the place once was. With the excellent Hole In The Wall free house just a couple of streets away (along with many others to chose from) there seems little reason to return unless things take a sharp turn for the better very soon. Such a crying shame that this pub has lost its way...

The other notable pubs on the list are The Milton Arms, which is an old mock-Tudor building not far from the away end at Fratton Park, and has been a regular for Pompey fans for many years, and The Old House At Home, which has been a regular in the GBG.

Concerning Enterprise Inns, it is amazing that a company that is in the business of running pubs, manages to run pubs so bloody badly... Unsure


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Do these sort of chains own the freehold of the buildings? . I'm sure most of them are just asset strippers using them as a landbank before selling them for redevelopment. As is the case in Oxford.


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Another pub has bitten the dust in Oxford. This time The Berkshire on Abingdon Road, to the south of the city centre. It is becoming some sort of hipster cafe called 'Home', selling overrated nosh (allegedly) at 'Oxford prices' Unsure

Despite never threatening to gain a GBG-listing (and changing its name for a mercifully short time to the foolish-sounding 'Crooked Pot' a few years ago), I've long had a soft spot for The Berkshire. Back in my youthful days of long-distance cycling, I would often cycle from Portsmouth to Oxford and would see The Berkshire as my signal to having finally arrived at my destination. The pub gained its name from being stood on the old pre-1974 boundary between Oxfordshire and Berkshire, back in the days when Abingdon was Berkshire's county town.

With The Berkshire now gone, there are now only two pubs left in this area of Oxford: the White House and the Duke Of Monmouth. This is a real shame, because the Abingdon Road area of Oxford is one of the few areas of the city that still retains a feel for what most of the neighbourhoods felt like before Oxford started to swallow its own 'Location Location Location' hype and obsession with house prices. Parts of the city like Jericho, Summertown, Cowley Road and Headington have little resemblance to what they were like even twenty years ago. The Abingdon Road area, with its regular flooding and lack of trendy establishments (up until now) has been one of the few neighbourhoods to retain a sense of normality.


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One of my old student haunts from the 1980s...

The Cricketers
King Edward's Road
Swansea


...which sits behind the St.Helen's rugby and cricket ground, has closed and is to be converted into forty-five student flats.

The Cricketers is most famous for being visible in the background of the footage of Garfield Sobers' six sixes in one over, for Nottinghamshire against Glamorganshire on 31st August 1968, the first time such a feat had ever been achieved in first-class cricket. In particular, the sixth boundary shot goes flying down King Edward's Road past the pub windows, "My goodness, it's gone way down to Swansea!" as the commentator says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUVL3SqqZo

Some of my personal memories of the pub include plenty of visits before watching Glamorgan play (St.Helen's was always a great ground for spin-bowlers, due to the higher humidity in the air due to being right on Swansea seafront). I can remember being sat on the top of the terrace near the pub for a match involving Hampshire in 1987, when the late great Malcolm Marshall smacked a six that only narrowly missed my head, landed in Bryn Road and got a mention in the write-up in 'The Times' the next day. The equally great Gordon Greenidge (also playing for Hampshire that day) bought my mate Chris a pint in the St.Helen's bar afterwards and played him at pool.

I can also remember drinking there on my rarer excursions to watch Swansea RFC, and a particular match on 2nd January 1989 against Llanelli. This was Jonathan Davies' last match playing Rugby Union for Llanelli before his (then highly) controversial move to Rugby League and Widnes for a record £230,000. Even without a back-story as big as that, Swansea v. Llanelli was such a big fixture that Swansea City v. Reading, taking place at The Vetch on the same day, was moved to a noon kick-off. (I watched that too, from the Reading end. Finished 2-0 to Swansea if I remember rightly).

Finally, I can also remember sitting in The Cricketers pub for most of a week in mid-September 1988, when watching telly in a pub was still strange and new, watching the Seoul Olympics while drinking breakfast pints (this was long before Wetherspoons kicked all the novelty out of that particular past-time). However, on the morning of Saturday 24th, I supped up my pint and left some time just before the start of Ben Johnson's incredible drugged-up 100 metres, needing to catch the train down to Portsmouth 1 Crystal Palace 1 at Fratton Park.


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Dolau Inn New Quay Wales


An old drinking haunt of poet Dylan Thomas faces closure according to locals who have launched a petition calling on the brewery to scrap its plan to shut the pub.

The Dolau Inn, in New Quay, Ceredigion , dates back to the 1750s and one of the oldest buildings in the town.

Wales’ greatest poet, who was well known for liking a tipple, frequented the pub when he lived in New Quay between 1944 and 1945
Reportedly the favourite pub of Dylan’s wife Caitlin, the Dolau Inn was also frequented by Alistair Graham, a nephew of the Duchess of Montrose and supposedly Dylan’s inspiration for Lord Cut-Glass in Under Milk Wood, as well as the basis of the character of Sebastian Flyte in Brideshead Revisited.

The venue forms an important part of New Quay’s Dylan Thomas trail, and was at one point considered by many to be the highlight of the trip.



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Just to show that Oxford isn't the only place that old pubs burn down at 'opportune times', this is the recent news of the Cape Horner, an old pub on the main A483 Fabian Way road that approaches the centre of Swansea from the east...
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/...laze-former-13563566

An attempt to burn down the derelict pub was made last night, Friday 1st September. Apparently, someone has drawn up plans to demolish it and build 64 student flats, so from their particular point of view this fire might be seen as 'beneficial'.

The pub is in the St.Thomas area of Swansea, a neighbourhood of Victorian terraced housing on the eastern side of the River Tawe that (until very recently) had avoided the 'studentification' that most similar parts of Swansea to the west of the river have been going through for forty years or more. However, over the past couple of years, the building of a new campus for Swansea University
on previously derelict dockland to the south of Fabian Way has meant a jump in local property prices and an increase in bedsits in the neighbourhood.

The old Cape Horner is a bulky sixties building, and there are plenty of people in Swansea who won't miss it. However, it is yet another pub in this part of the city that has now gone past the point of no return. And as the number of students from all over the planet who want to study on Swansea continues to grow (helped in no small part by the continued success of Swansea City FC in the Premiership), so the chances are that more and more pubs in the city will be eyeballed by property speculators for short-term accommodation.

I can remember one occasion when I visited the Cape Horner with a mate, maybe a cold month in 1989. We had walked for what seemed like several miles east along Fabian Way through eastern Swansea's decimated industrial infrastructure, in order to find a notoriously inexpensive car-hire outfit so we could get ourselves some cheap wheels for the day and drive up to watch Swansea City play at Caersws in the Welsh Cup. Unfortunately, some points on my mate's driving licence meant we got told to "sod off back to the posh side of the Tawe!" My companion thought that spending the afternoon in the Cape Horner nursing his hurt pride was a constructive way to spend our now spare time. I reckon we got a good deal - if I remember rightly, the match finished 0-0.

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Talking of things burning down under suspicious circumstances, one anniversary that coincides with the death of Princess Diana twenty years ago is that of the fire that burnt down the former home of Erith & Belverdere FC. The main stand at their Southern League ground at Park View, next door to Belverdere railway station, was destroyed by fire on Monday 1st September 1997.


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Another Welsh pub bites the dust.

S A Brains has confirmed that it is to close the town’s historic Black Lion Hotel on High Street, which employs 17 people, saying the pub was not profitable.
S A Brains claimed that the hotel’s fate was effectively sealed after a planning application for nine houses at the rear of the premises failed to get approval from Ceredigion County Council’s planning department.



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The William Morris the awful Weatherspoons in the local Chavley Centre is closing down, the lease runs out on the 31st March 2018 and the chain are not renewing it.

Having put many of the local pubs out of business in it's 15ish year history and objected to another pub chain opening up nearby, they are upping sticks and leaving the local dreggs of society no where to go to keep warm.

Rumours are a shop will replace it or a well known Coffee chain, much development is due to take place in the area including 100's of student flats and an avenue of restaurants and things of that ilk.

At least I will no longer have to walk in the road when going shopping avoiding the great unwashed smoking and blocking the pavement.


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One of my old student haunts from the 1980s...

The Cricketers
King Edward's Road
Swansea


...which sits behind the St.Helen's rugby and cricket ground, has closed and is to be converted into forty-five student flats.

The Cricketers is most famous for being visible in the background of the footage of Garfield Sobers' six sixes in one over, for Nottinghamshire against Glamorganshire on 31st August 1968, the first time such a feat had ever been achieved in first-class cricket. In particular, the sixth boundary shot goes flying down King Edward's Road past the pub windows, "My goodness, it's gone way down to Swansea!" as the commentator says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUVL3SqqZo

Some of my personal memories of the pub include plenty of visits before watching Glamorgan play (St.Helen's was always a great ground for spin-bowlers, due to the higher humidity in the air due to being right on Swansea seafront). I can remember being sat on the top of the terrace near the pub for a match involving Hampshire in 1987, when the late great Malcolm Marshall smacked a six that only narrowly missed my head, landed in Bryn Road and got a mention in the write-up in 'The Times' the next day. The equally great Gordon Greenidge (also playing for Hampshire that day) bought my mate Chris a pint in the St.Helen's bar afterwards and played him at pool.

I can also remember drinking there on my rarer excursions to watch Swansea RFC, and a particular match on 2nd January 1989 against Llanelli. This was Jonathan Davies' last match playing Rugby Union for Llanelli before his (then highly) controversial move to Rugby League and Widnes for a record £230,000. Even without a back-story as big as that, Swansea v. Llanelli was such a big fixture that Swansea City v. Reading, taking place at The Vetch on the same day, was moved to a noon kick-off. (I watched that too, from the Reading end. Finished 2-0 to Swansea if I remember rightly).

Finally, I can also remember sitting in The Cricketers pub for most of a week in mid-September 1988, when watching telly in a pub was still strange and new, watching the Seoul Olympics while drinking breakfast pints (this was long before Wetherspoons kicked all the novelty out of that particular past-time). However, on the morning of Saturday 24th, I supped up my pint and left some time just before the start of Ben Johnson's incredible drugged-up 100 metres, needing to catch the train down to Portsmouth 1 Crystal Palace 1 at Fratton Park.


The development of The Cricketers into student accommodation is being pushed through by developers, despite objections by Brynmill local councilors and residents...

This news article has footage of the derelict pub and the St.Helens rugby and cricket ground opposite:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/...ted-student-13871838


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Another Portsmouth pub is about to disappear...

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/...-new-homes-1-8545566

...'The Brewers Arms' on Milton Road is to be demolished to make way for flats.

This pub has been closed now for at least a year (perhaps longer), and now leaves just two remaining pubs - The Mr Pickwick, and The Milton Arms - on a street where there once used to be seven. The Brewers Arms sticks in the mind because it was always one of the more accommodating for away fans on their way to Fratton Park.


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Desperately sad news from Swansea, from where I've just heard about the recent closure of The Greyhound Inn in Llanrhidian, on the Gower peninsula about ten miles west of Swansea. The pub is to be turned into housing (and this being such beautiful countryside, I don't think I'm being overly-cynical to suggest it might end up being housing for the wealthy or those looking for a second home... Unsure).

This pub was an absolute cracker of a place - stocking the beers of the nearby Gower Brewery, and hosting the Great Gower Beer Festival.

I remember visiting here in the long hot sunny summer of 1989 with a couple of mates when we saw none other than Swansea City legend John Toshack sat at a bench in the beer garden. He was probably back on a short break inbetween leaving Real Sociedad and taking over at Real Madrid.


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More sad news...

Two more pubs have closed on the Isle Of Wight, where a staggering 22% of all pubs are under the cosh of Ei Group (previously skulking under the name of Enterprise Inns). The latest closures are The King Lud in Ryde, which sat on the Esplanade opposite beach right at the front of the town, and The New Inn in Shalfleet, over to the west on the road to Yarmouth. The King Lud was often full of day-trippers and could be a mix of both fun and boisterous. The New Inn, however, was always a bit of a gem - an old rural place where I can remember spending summer afternoons supping cider.

https://www.iwcp.co.uk/...es-campaigners-urge/


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The Spotted Cow (Salendine Nook, Huddersfield) razed in preparation for a Lidl being built on the site:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/...uced-rubble-15389581


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The Barley Mow on Town Street, Bramley, Leeds closed earlier this month and is now boarded up with a fence around. There is a "For Sale" board up..

The rear of the Pub housed the dressing rooms for Bramley RLFC when the ground was directly behind.. I attended my first match there in April 1053!


dottirofhod
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Dec 31, 2018, 1:25 AM

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The Barley Mow on Town Street, Bramley, Leeds closed earlier this month and is now boarded up with a fence around. There is a "For Sale" board up..

The rear of the Pub housed the dressing rooms for Bramley RLFC when the ground was directly behind.. I attended my first match there in April 1053! =================================== Bloody hell , I know your an old so & so D but not realised how old.




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Loiner
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Dec 31, 2018, 8:31 PM

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The Barley Mow on Town Street, Bramley, Leeds closed earlier this month and is now boarded up with a fence around. There is a "For Sale" board up..

The rear of the Pub housed the dressing rooms for Bramley RLFC when the ground was directly behind.. I attended my first match there in April 1053! =================================== Bloody hell , I know your an old so & so D but not realised how old.



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oxpete
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Mar 26, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Another of my old hang-outs is closing in Swansea this week...

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/...ng-pubs-era-15997565

...with Wednesday 27th March due to be the last day of The Singleton Hotel, 1 Dillwyn Street, Swansea. It is one of the very last pubs left in the streets surrounding the former Vetch Field football ground. Predictably, it is to be converted into student accommodation.

I can't remember the last time I popped in for a pint on one of my regular trips to Swansea - probably four or five years ago now. However, it was the pub of choice for my group of mates before heading to watch the Swans play at the Vetch Field back in the late 1980s, back in the day when the surrounding terraced streets were full of great little pubs on almost every corner. The good thing about The Singleton, though, was that even though it was one of the closest pubs to the turnstiles for the North Bank, it was one of the more peaceful matchday pubs in the neighbourhood - this pub was also the pub of choice for those heading to the nearby Swansea Grand Theatre, so the place was always elegantly decorated and usually had more of a mixed clientele with lower levels of testosterone pumping through their veins. In comparison, I can remember in 1988 seeing a Cardiff City fan being physically thrown out through a window of the next door Garibaldi Arms, which was a proper den of hoodlums! The Singleton was always much calmer.

https://www.google.com/...!3e11!7i12508!8i6254

Another sad loss...


oxpete
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Mar 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Whitbread has announced it is to close The Llandoger Trow pub in central Bristol on Saturday 20th April...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/...trow-closing-2683530

The Llandoger Trow is regarded by some as the oldest pub in Bristol, and is reputed to be the inspiration for The Admiral Benbow pub in Robert Louis Stephenson's tale 'Treasure Island'.


oxpete
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Mar 28, 2019, 9:06 PM

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More bad news. The Water Poet pub in Shoreditch, London, is due to close for good on Friday 29th March, due to redevelopment in the area...

https://londonist.com/...poet-is-closing-down

 
 


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