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paulh66
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The whole point of a democracy is that we all - rich and poor, strong and weak - get one vote each. It can be a fine line between politicking and corruption, but there is ALWAYS evidence with which to condemn the corrupt. It just needs a willingness, time and expertise to piece it all together.


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The whole point of a democracy is that we all - rich and poor, strong and weak - get one vote each. It can be a fine line between politicking and corruption, but there is ALWAYS evidence with which to condemn the corrupt. It just needs a willingness, time and expertise to piece it all together.

Blatter is 79 years old! How much time have we got? Will individuals within FIFA & countless countries governments, pass information over to the FBI if they know that information might indict them as well?
Who doesn't believe that Vladimir Putin didn't have some influence in bringing the 2018 WC to Russia. If there was any criminal activity involved in this & linking it to Blatter. How are the FBI ever going to find this out?


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it depends on whether you believe in democracy and the rule of law, or just want to flounce and exercise your political and financial muscle when democracy and law don't give you the outcome you want. Dyke and his pals appear to be going the latter route, and that's quite disturbing - regardless of Blatter's age and your views about his supporters.


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it depends on whether you believe in democracy and the rule of law, or just want to flounce and exercise your political and financial muscle when democracy and law don't give you the outcome you want. Dyke and his pals appear to be going the latter route, and that's quite disturbing - regardless of Blatter's age and your views about his supporters.

Some countries governments are corrupt! They think how Blatter runs things is the norm! No matter how far the FBI dig, the full truth will never come out. So wanting fairness & transparency before Blatter goes is a pipe dream.


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Who doesn't believe that Vladimir Putin didn't have some influence in bringing the 2018 WC to Russia.


Of course Putin would have used his influence to get the 2018 World Cup. Tony Blair & Prince William used their influence to get the 2012 Olympic Games for London. Probably no major "bid" gets anywhere without there government support these days.


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Who doesn't believe that Vladimir Putin didn't have some influence in bringing the 2018 WC to Russia.


Of course Putin would have used his influence to get the 2018 World Cup. Tony Blair & Prince William used their influence to get the 2012 Olympic Games for London. Probably no major "bid" gets anywhere without there government support these days.

Depends what that influence involves? Money, contracts, support in the UN.....


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I've no idea what relevance government corruption has to this discussion. FIFA is a membership organisation and its members are not governments. It can run its affairs as its members see fit, subject of course to the rule of law.

If its members don't like its ethics, it has a democratic system in place to force change within it. If its members don't like that system, they can push for change. And if ultimately laws have been broken, it's encumbant upon the authorities to investigate and prosecute.

That's a system I believe in. It's now running its course. I wouldn't be surprised if Blatter is toppled by it - if he is, then rightly so. But it's troubling that Dyke and his pals seem to have an agenda that is no less self-serving than what they're rebelling against.


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The President of FIFA does not use a computer or a phone, this is being stated time and time again. How can someone be president of a multi billion pound, dollar, euro organisation and not use them. Basically how can he perform his job?.


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The President of FIFA does not use a computer or a phone, this is being stated time and time again. How can someone be president of a multi billion pound, dollar, euro organisation and not use them. Basically how can he perform his job?.

I've been asking the same question for years!


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If FIFA is being corrupted by corrupt governments & that influences the destination of WC, FIFA money & tournaments. Also the FIFA representatives of those corrupt countries, are only there because there corrupt countries elected them there. Then they will not want FIFA changed, because they won't be able to have influence over FIFA. Which could involve them re-electing the head of FIFA.


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As Blatter's support is predominantly from Africa and Asia, you seem to be implying that large swathes of these continents are corrupt? A tad colonialist, no? Tongue


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I hope we found out how much of the money that has gone to the smaller and newer members has been spent on football facilities and how much on 'administration.'


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FIFA provides an annual grant of US$250,000 to each member association, the money is to be spent to

• Develop and implement a modern, efficient and functional administrative or sports infrastructure;
• Facilitate the recruitment, training and remuneration of administrative and technical staff employed
by the member association;
• Promote youth football;
• Provide basic and further training for member association members, as well as others seconded to
the member associations for administrative and technical duties;
• Promote technical and sports development;
• Support member associations in arranging and taking part in official football competitions.

Source - fifa financial report 2013

Naturally, the rules say the money must be audited and accounted for.

In addition, there are the goal projects

Goal Programme
Goal is a development programme created by FIFA for the benefit of member associations. Goal offers
funding for tailor-made projects to meet the individual needs of the member associations in the following
areas:
• Administration – setting up national and regional associations, including team and office equipment;
• Training – administration, coaching, refereeing, sports medicine;
• Youth football – training youth team coaches, regional and national youth training centres and
football schools, talent promotion;
• Infrastructure – the renovation and construction of football pitches, physical training and tuition
centres, office buildings.
The maximum amount that can be awarded per project is limited to USD 500,000

If you look at the FIFA site, you can see that just about every member receives goal grants. I find it difficult to argue with these grants, but how effective the auditing is must be questioned - even after FIFA supposedly tightened up the accounting (in 2013)



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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism, regarding who get the 'administration' or 'association' jobs.
We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fineUnimpressed


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism, regarding who get the 'administration' or 'association' jobs.
We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fineUnimpressed


Fine in theory but comprised of who, nominated by who and accountable to who?


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism, regarding who get the 'administration' or 'association' jobs.
We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fineUnimpressed


Fine in theory but comprised of who, nominated by who and accountable to who?

However it's created & runs would have to be determined. But even if it wasn't perfect, it would be better than it is right now.


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism, regarding who get the 'administration' or 'association' jobs.
We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fineUnimpressed


Fine in theory but comprised of who, nominated by who and accountable to who?

However it's created & runs would have to be determined. But even if it wasn't perfect, it would be better than it is right now.


Determined by who?


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism ..


Indeed. Just look at The FA where the current president Prince William follows a long line of former presidents - Prince Andrew, Prince Edward, The Earl of Harewood, Prince Henry, Prince Philip & The Earl of Athlone - whose prime 'qualification' seems to be membership of a particular family rather than anything to do with football .

Not since 1939 has a real football person been president of The FA.


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism ..


Indeed. Just look at The FA where the current president Prince William follows a long line of former presidents - Prince Andrew, Prince Edward, The Earl of Harewood, Prince Henry, Prince Philip & The Earl of Athlone - whose prime 'qualification' seems to be membership of a particular family rather than anything to do with football .

Not since 1939 has a real football person been president of The FA.

I'm anti-royalist so if they got rid of them, it's fine by me! But they're hardly going to have there snouts in the trough are they?


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We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fine


These days, such a body could not reasonably be set up without a democratic element, almost certainly one country one vote. Why do you think this would vastly different to what we have in FIFA nowadays?


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It's not just the accounting in some of the 'lesser' nations that needs to be tightened up by FIFA. It's stopping things like nepotism, regarding who get the 'administration' or 'association' jobs.
We need an independent 'world sports authority'. That deals with all issues within all sports. They should be able to investigate anything and everything in all sports. It would stop FIFA investigating themselves and finding out that everything in fineUnimpressed


Fine in theory but comprised of who, nominated by who and accountable to who?

However it's created & runs would have to be determined. But even if it wasn't perfect, it would be better than it is right now.


Determined by who?

I'm sure if all the world governing sports bodies came together, then they could create something. Football is as bad as cycling was, right now & it's had to change to improve it's credibility! So I hope you're not trying to defend the status quo?


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But they're hardly going to have there snouts in the trough are they?


Snouts in the trough is surely that family's speciality !


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I'm confident the status quo will be changed to the extent necessary by the mechanisms already in place, primarily the investigations by the authorities and the fallout that will follow.

Interesting idea to have a conglomeration of sporting bodies set up an independent oversight body but you'd soon hit up against vested interests and lack of worldwide acceptance. And it wouldn't really be independent, by definition. The Royal Family don't have their snouts in the trough so maybe they could lead it?!


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But they're hardly going to have there snouts in the trough are they?


Snouts in the trough is surely that family's speciality !

I suppose some people in authority, think that by giving these Royals a marquee job. It them gives the FA some sort of kudos, especially with the ex-commonwealth countries(but these ex-commonwealth countries vote against us in droves). Also it helps the Royals, in regards to them actually existing. If they weren't given these type of jobs, they might actually have to go out and do something productive with there lives!


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I'm confident the status quo will be changed to the extent necessary by the mechanisms already in place, primarily the investigations by the authorities and the fallout that will follow.

Interesting idea to have a conglomeration of sporting bodies set up an independent oversight body but you'd soon hit up against vested interests and lack of worldwide acceptance. And it wouldn't really be independent, by definition. The Royal Family don't have their snouts in the trough so maybe they could lead it?!

As long as they all go back to Germany & stop using pretend surnames!

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