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Great comments by everyone. Looking forward to the video. HughesVideo, after getting far in this season's Junior Cup, will you enter your team in it going forward?

LisbonLegend, I recall your bad luck in that game against Hendon Utd Sports last season. Had you gone through you would have faced Lapton. That would have been a very stern test of your team and league's quality. I saw Hendon's game against Lapton when Lapton steam rollered them 7-1.


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Great comments by everyone. Looking forward to the video. HughesVideo, after getting far in this season's Junior Cup, will you enter your team in it going forward?


I suspect we will be in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup again next season, yes.

I doubt whether the London FA will recommend that we go back in the Sunday Intermediate Cup for next season after this result ! Wink



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I don't know any of the teams left in other than ourselves but they all sound like excellent teams. I think the teams drawn at home will have a key advantage but we'll see how it goes. Does anyone know anything about Sevenacre & Sidcup, it sounds like they have a few semi pro players in their ranks from what's been written on here?

Hi Steve, are you affiliated to any club, involved with the FA or just an interested spectator? That Hendon game was the only one I missed last season so was disappointing that we lost out the way we did but sounds out we may have had a lucky escape avoiding Lapton.Cool


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Sorry I meant to reply to you here rather than privately Lisbonlegend. Guzelyurt are a dangerous side going foward with their main striker (Junior) being the main source of all there goals and I think they rely too heavily on him. My side managed to inflict so far there only league defeat on them this season and in all honestly it was a proper smash and grab job where we nicked a couple of goals but had to defend for most of the second half but they will definitely give you a chance at the back for sure as even though we had to defend we had at least 3 or 4 break aways to increase our lead that we didn't take.


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Do you go out to hit them on the break or did the match just go that way?


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The match evolved that way, we were 2-1 up at half time and they had a massive row between themselves. Second half they had most of the play and were doing everything to score but couldn't we then had a few decent breakaways and should have scored a third but it finished 2-1. If you get to play them I think you will have a great chance as sounds like you've got a few decent players so should be more of an even contest and you should have more of the possession, our team in that match did not have many semi-pro standard players and as such had to work very very hard to get that result.


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Sounds like they're a feisty bunch! Hopefully we will get chance to play either them or Inter Trac but judging by the fact that at least half the Sevenacre&Sidcup team are playing at level 10 in the league pyramid, I'll not bother looking that far ahead just yet. Did your team enter the Junior cup this year Darney?


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I assume you play for Ihlara as they're the only team to beat them this season.


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Not in a fighting sense they're not, they are just used to winning. Yes I play for Ihlara Valley Association and no we didn't enter the Junior cup unfortunately as this is our first season as a team and everything was a bit rushed getting formed etc so don't think they got round to it but we will be entering next season for sure. I have played in the Junior Cup before myself for other sides the furtherest I have been so far was the semi's 3 seasons ago with Woolwich 90 then the quarters the following year, I've also played in the saturday version of the London Junior cup and the Senior cup.


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Highlights of Edmonton Rovers' 8-1 Quarter-Final thrashing by Middlesbrough Supporters South are now online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gRg14TtyWc

Features our 'comedy keeper'...the howler on 11:20 being his worst moment of the match, but a lot of the goals were down to our wide midfield players (No.18 and No.10) both marking the MSS full-backs instead of their left & right midfielders (No.11 and No.7) and/or just switching off defensively, leaving our back three too exposed.

We got as far as the Quarter-Finals just through individual ability, player fitness/work-rate and playing mainly a straightforward 4-4-2 system. We have been experimenting with different systems in our League matches and having close games, even though we are second from bottom in the Division One table, but our Manager decided to play three at the back in this game and it backfired badly.
We have got too many new young players this season who have come from totally different sources and they are still getting to know each other's games. That's why our build-up play is too slow and we don't create enough chances, even though we often dominate possession through good technique and short passing.

MSS's two forwards (No.9 Alfie Burke and No.17 Johnathan Gallagher) were both quality as a partnership and the best attack we have come up against so far this season, while their right midfielder (No.11 Lee Gutcher) was their best player (in my opinion). Frightening pace.

LisbonLegend...did I read on your club website somewhere that Gallagher is an ex-Birmingham City player ? I assume Burke and Gutcher must have played a very high standard on Saturdays somewhere in the North-East ? Any idea who for ?
I notice Burke got a hat-trick and Gallagher got 4 in your 7-1 win in the previous round (against a Woodford Wanderers side featuring Enfield Town (Step 3) forward Mitch Hahn). Those two are going to take some stopping.

Talking to those of our players who bothered to turn up to training last night...and understandably there were not many !...they thought that most of our previous opponents (and particularly London Maccabi Lions 'B') were stronger defensively and in the centre of midfield, so that is where Seven Acre & Sidcup might have a chance if they can defend well and keep MSS's strike-force out. I'm sure that match will not be anything like our Quarter-Final and it may well go to Extra-Time & Penalties.

I don't envy Inter Trac having to play Guzelyert in the other Semi.
We know how the Turkish & Cypriot teams always bring in extra top-quality Semi-Pros once it gets to this stage.

Good luck to all. Hopefully we can put up a better show next season once our new players have got to know each other a bit more.



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Affiliated to too many Saturday and Sunday teams for my own good!Cool
Perhaps fortunate to avoid playing Lapton! Wink Playing them last season was a soul destroying experience for teams unfortunate enough to run into them. They scored 25 goals in their first 3 games in the Intermediate Cup last season, and got to the semi-finals. Even then, they narrowly lost the semi-final 0-1 only due to some astonishing indiscipline, arrogantly underestimating their opponents by resting players and playing strikers in defence, and playing about 70% of the game with 10 men after their GK got sent off early in the game. Amazingly, they could still have won the game and spent most of the second half camped in their opponent's half! The fact that they hammered Hendon 7-1 tells you much about Lapton (Hendon were runaway champions of their league, and treble winners).


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Thanks for the highlights, shows the game as I remember it, very open and your team being without much shape. It would have been interesting to see how the game panned out if you'd gone 442. No, Johnathon Gallagher has never played professional football. Lee Gutcher was one of the players who had never played 11aside football before until I signed him up 3 years ago and Alfie Burke has been in the army so hasn't played much either.

I think you're being a bit unkind to the rest of our team, particularly considering the formation you were playing with a packed midfield and 4 up front at some points. From the videos I've watched of your recent games, only the bald headed midfielder for Maccabi Lions would get near our team in my opinion. It's all about the balance of the team, no point being able to defend if you can't score and vice versa. Also, remember you played Maccabi on astro turf and not on a bumpy pitch, makes a massive difference. I think that's one thing that will affect our semi final match judging by the recent photos of the Sevenacre pitch. Time will tell on our semi final, we're just enjoying the ride, if we lose to Sevenacre then they'll have had to work very hard for the result that's for certain.


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I wished we'd had chance to play them. Why were Lapton so good then, were they paying their players?


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I don't think they pay their players. They have have exceptionally good players (especially their attackers) though. Many of their players have step 3-5 Saturday football experience, ranging from Chesham Utd in the Southern League, to Canvey Island in the Ryman Premier, to Enfield in the Essex Senior League. At one time they had ambitions of ditching Sunday football to become a semi-pro Saturday pyramid team. However that proved difficult since many of their players already have Saturday clubs!

Are you sure you would have liked to play them? Wink Here is the match report of their massacre of Hendon Utd Sports:
http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=371781;search_string=lapton%20undefeated%20hendon;#371781


The fact that they won their league title for 8 consecutive years, and were undefeated for the first two and a half years after they formed, created an intimidating aura around them. That made it easy for them to get really good players to play for them.

Everyone that has faced their winger Abdul Johnson admits that he is the most talented player they have ever seen at this level. His pace is devastating. Playing against him is a bit like facing Andrei Kanchelskis on steroids! Had Lapton actually bothered to enter LFA Cups every year, they would probably have at least 4 county cups in the bag by now.


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Cheers for that Steve, it's a shame we didn't get the opportunity to play them, though I'm not a fan of arrogant Sunday league footballers, which is what they sound like. When I took over MSS we were a shambles, barely had a team, finished 2nd bottom and 2 seasons later we've won the league and cup for the first time in our history and are now in the semi final of a county cup for the first time. It's all about progression and just trying to do a little bit better than we did in the previous match but also about showing respect for any opposition we meet, maybe I'm just old fashioned.


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Gosh, how did you manage to turn your team's fortunes so quickly? New players? New management ethos? Both? From the Edmonton Rovers video: your team's finishing is very sharp (especially Alfie Burke's goal for the 5th). You punished Rovers for their mistakes (the GK's howler was just epic, he actually took the ball TOWARDS his goal to help Alfie score!). Laugh

Have you found the quality of play in LFA Cups to be lower or higher than your league?

Yes, Lapton are good, and they KNOW it. Their confidence crosses over into arrogance at times, and they forget that playing against them is everyone else's cup final. I spoke to someone who played against them in the Intermediate Cup semi-final last season. The guy said Lapton were the better team but messed themselves up on the day with their antics (GK running 30-40 yards out of his goal to scream at a linesman and get an early straight red card for dissent, top scorer turning up late for an LFA semi-final, striker playing in defence, most experienced defender and star striker on bench, outfield player in goal, playing 70% of game with 10 men etc etc). The guy told me that Lapton "thought they were already in the final". You can get away with those sort of antics in the early rounds when playing against teams overawed by their reputation. However by the semi-final stage, teams tend to be used used to winning, champions of their league, and are not intimidated by anyone.

By the time Lapton realised they were in a game and took their opponents seriously (2nd half), they were already a goal down. Have to give them credit for laying siege to their opponents' goal in the second half, and for throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them (even though they only had 10 men). So much talent, but messed up by their indiscipline and arrogance. http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...ul%20kanaris;#388007


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Cheers for that Steve, it's a shame we didn't get the opportunity to play them, though I'm not a fan of arrogant Sunday league footballers, which is what they sound like. When I took over MSS we were a shambles, barely had a team, finished 2nd bottom and 2 seasons later we've won the league and cup for the first time in our history and are now in the semi final of a county cup for the first time. It's all about progression and just trying to do a little bit better than we did in the previous match but also about showing respect for any opposition we meet, maybe I'm just old fashioned.



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I played for MSS since 2007 but it was basically the managers uni mates and a small handful of Boro fans. As he left Uni and lost interest the team fell apart, we ended up with 8 men and getting hammered at times or cancelling games. The manager quit at the end of the 2009-10 season and if I hadn't of taken over, the team would have been no longer. I decided if I was going to do it we'd do it properly, as I spent most of my years playing in the Northern League back home I think I know a little bit about football.

So we got new kit, training gear, recruited new players via social media and as you mentioned, changed the ethos of the team. Those players that had previously tossed it off were weeded out and we had the best season in MSS history, finishing 3rd (should have been 2nd!) and won the league cup at Hayes & Yeading.

http://www.mfc.co.uk/page/news/latest/0,,1~2361917,00.html

At the start of last season I decided to form a 2nd MSS team as our squad had grown significantly. The first team won the league for the first time in our history without losing a game and narrowly lost the cup final to Aberdeen in extra time at Barnet FC. The club continued to grow on the back of our success and so I formed a 3rd MSS team to play in the league. Our 2nd team is currently top of Division Two and our 3rd team is mid table so it's been a good few years of growth, which has helped sustain the numbers in our league, of which I am also vice chairman of.

The APFSCIL Division One is small but strong whereas Division Two isn't great. So far I've found the county cup to be a mixed bag, North Acton were a strong team as were Tristar & Deloitte but the rest have been much of a muchness, the main difference I've found has been the mentality of some of the teams. It's enjoyable though and I expect the semi will be a real step up in class so looking forward to it.


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So have most of your players played Saturday pyramid football, like you did in your Northern League days?

What do you mean by "the main difference I've found has been the mentality of some of the teams" (when referring to the standard of play in LFA county cups). Also, I've also wondered why northern teams dominate the FA Sunday Cup. Having played up north, would you say the standard of Sunday football up north is better than Sunday football in the south?



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The simple answer is no, 3 of the lads have played pyramid football plus myself and I'm 37 in 2 weeks time but I reckon 3 more could if they had the inclination. As I mentioned earlier, 2 of our lads hadn't played Sunday football before playing for MSS, including the player Edmonton felt was our MotM on the day. It's more about the team than individual players, everyone gets on well on and off the pitch, works hard for one another to make us difficult to beat and you add in a bit of quality and that's it really. We've been together 3 years, we've had pretty much the same squad of 16-17 lads and grown together.

I meant that in our league theres a general respect amongst all the supporters teams and genuine teamwork and i don't always see that in the London FA Cup. Theres an arrogance among some teams or players they think they're better than they are. Maybe they turn up expecting to beat us cos they think we must be crap or maybe it's to do with the demographic they were raised in, I'm not sure. Woodford Wanderers ended up arguing between themselves like a bunch of kids and the last 20 minutes became embarrassing, you would never get that up North or even in our league. I have to say that Edmonton had a very good team spirit and despite being 7-1 down at HT never argued between themselves and kept going which is how it should be. It's interesting for us as exiles to see the different teams, styles and mentalities London has to offer, I'm sure the Turkish/Cypriot teams have their own style as Sevenacre & Sidcup will, they'll probably think the same of us.

It's difficult to compare the two areas because London is so big, it'll have some top teams and some crap teams. Reading your thread about Lapton and some of the teams with Level 4 players in they must be real quality there because you don't reach that level if you're crap. This is only our 2nd year in the County Cup so we're still feeling our way, we played North London Olympians reserves last year and they were a very physically strong outfit with some good players but they didn't play like a team. By all accounts, if we hadn't have ended up playing Hendon with 10 men we would have beaten them from what my team said but its difficult to gauge where we are as a team and how good Sunday football is down here. We're in the lowest Sunday Cup so only getting a taster of what's out there. If the Missus would let me out on a Sunday morning, I wouldn't mind heading out to watch Lapton and others!

Edmonton felt we only beat them because of our strikers so time will tell how we fare against Sevenacre. I'm sure they'll watch the video and read this and do their homework on us, whereas Edmonton didn't have that luxury. We'll just keep trying to improve, though we're hampered by the fact our players need to support the Boro, there's not many of us left nowadays!


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Very interesting. It must actually be harder managing a team in your league as you have such a small pool of players to choose from (since players must be supporters of team [x]). Really difficult! Teams in the Cypriot and Turkish leagues probably have the same issue (albeit with ethnicity).

Also interesting that the attitude of London teams is not as positive as up north. Since there are so many London Sunday leagues, some teams can get "big fish in little pond" syndrome if they are very successful in their own league's bubble. However they then get shocked when drawn against superior teams from other leagues in county cups. It is a shock to the system for a team that are table-toppers in their league to be taken apart by a mid-table team from a stronger league.

I saw a northern team play a London team in the FA Sunday Cup last season. The northern lads came down to London with a full contingent of their supporters, and outnumbered the London team's fans by about 20-1 even though it was a home game for the London team! I did chuckle when their fans barracked the London players for being "stupid soft southern ****"! Laugh

NLO's first team play in a strong league (Harrow Challenge Sunday League). Not sure how far behind their Reserves are from that standard.

Sevenacre & Sidcup will be a good test for your team. Their Saturday team plays at Step 6 in the Kent Invicta League. I wonder if they will bring in any of their Saturday players since this is a semi-final? If you reach the final you will be "promoted" to the Intermediate Cup next season. You get more of a variation in quality there with both poor and quality teams ending up in there. Some of the Premier teams from stronger leagues slip through the net and go in the Intermediate Cup (instead of the Challenge Cup). That is how Yalova and Lapton ended up in there last year, instead of the Challenge Cup where they belong!

If you want to get a good sense of the quality of Sunday football in London, organise some pre-season friendlies next season against teams from the KOPA, Turkish, Hackney & Leyton, Sportsmans Senior, Metropolitan Sunday, Morden & District, and Orpington & Bromley District leagues. The first 3 leagues have lots of teams based in central, north and east London. The Sportsmans Senior league is mostly west London (but suffered a recent drop in quality when their two best teams departed). The last 3 leagues are mainly south London based. Playing teams from the top divisions of those leagues will give you a good sense of how far your team has come. Teams in the top division of those leagues generally play in the Challenge Cup, and are full of step 4-5 players. If you can hold your on against them, your team has nothing to fear.


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MSS has around 1,000 members in the capital and obviously there's only a % of that are young lads who are decent at football and want to play. We have a London Scottish team who in theory should have a larger pool of players to choose from. There's no rules governing the fact that teams need a % of their teams supporters, as Glasgow Rangers seem to have a different team each week, we choose to have a full Boro team. It's less likely to fall apart of there's a common interest, the plan being that when I eventually leave it will continue to run for years to come.

I think that because of the size of the towns / cities there's a bit more local pride at stake up North and it means a bit more. I haven't seen a team argue like Woodford since I played in the Junior leagues. Had a look at Sevenacre and they have at least 6 players from their Saturday team playing including the goalkeeper by the looks of it. Their pitch looks in a right state, might have to play route one football in that game. If we did reach the final, I would probably apply for the intermediate cup next season anyway, if we fall short then it would be good to have another crack at the Junior cup.

Not a bad shout regarding preseason friendlies, could be a good way to learn a bit more about what's out there. You seem to know a lot about London Sunday football!


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Edmonton felt we only beat them because of our strikers so time will tell how we fare against Sevenacre. I'm sure they'll watch the video and read this and do their homework on us, whereas Edmonton didn't have that luxury. We'll just keep trying to improve, though we're hampered by the fact our players need to support the Boro, there's not many of us left nowadays!


Slight correction. Wink We felt you only beat us 8-1 because of your strikers. You had 12 shots on target and scored 8, and you only had 4 shots off target. That ratio of finishing and getting shots on target from chances created is quality at any level. No question that you were the better side and we deserved to lose, but normally we would probably have only lost by a two-goal margin the way the game went in terms of chances created by both sides. Maybe 4-2 to you would have been a more accurate reflection of the game.

Interesting point about the video availability.
In our League matches (and probably in the London Cup as well), more or less every team we play turn up with a full-strength side because it's not often they get a chance to be professionally filmed playing football and then see the highlights on You Tube (or on DVD if they want to see the full match).
Whether teams analyse our matches on You Tube before they play us, I don't know. Liam Daish, Ebbsfleet United's Manager, has actually stopped me putting highlights of their Home matches on You Tube for fear of opposing Team Managers learning too much tactically, but I don't think that sort of thing affects Edmonton Rovers too much. Do Sunday League teams really have the commitment to study our highlights for tactical advantages ? Did you do that, Lisbonlegend (just out of interest) ?

As it happens, it is also a lot easier for us (Edmonton Rovers) to find out about our London Cup opponents in advance nowadays than it was 10/15/20 years ago.
Thanks to Scottorae posting a link on here, I was able to see a bit of Middlesbrough Supporters South in action on You Tube, and there is plenty of info on their website which we all had a read of before we played them. Most Sunday clubs that enter the London Sunday Cup competitions will either have a website, some clips on You Tube, a Facebook or a Twitter page somewhere, not to mention their own League websites. Back in the 80's & 90's we had nothing whatsoever to go on apart from the previous week's result in a local paper.



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Re: [HughesVideo] London Sunday Junior Cup 2012-2013 [In reply to] Quote | Reply or Reply Privately

Thanks for that, appreciate the clarity. I watched about 10 of your games on YouTube several times over, I tried to work out your style, strengths and weaknesses. I mentioned to my right back that your winger always cuts back on his right foot and my player said he did that every single time so was nullified, I noticed that your keeper wasn't very mobile so there would be space in behind your defence, that you didn't appear to have an out and out striker and one or two other things. I expected a 442 so was surprised by the space on the flanks so told my wide men to push up and let the full backs mark as they were too deep and that killed the game off early on. I thought you looked a very disciplined side who were difficult to break down but didnt score too many so i thought the first goal would be crucial and we may have to be patient. So in answer to your question, your videos helped a lot in making sure there were very few surprises for us. This time it will work against us as teams will know a bit of what to expect against us now, though we did have a few missing against you and it's a bit misleading because of the formation you played. I just love football though so not sure whether all your opposition bother or whether I'm one of the exceptions to the rule.

I never put our tactics on the MSS match reports for the same reason and even thought about putting in formations that mislead teams!Wink. Its interesting that you did a bit of digging on us, though you seem very thorough in all your prep and admin so I'm not surprised. i'd be interested to know what you thought you'd be facing. I've found very little on Sevenacre other than they're a good team so if we prepare as if we're playing Man Utd we can't go wrong...!


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Re: [Lisbonlegend] London Sunday Junior Cup 2012-2013 [In reply to] Quote | Reply or Reply Privately

I think our own players were expecting a 4-4-2 as well to be honest ! Our Manager likes experimenting with different formations to try and fool our opponents, but it didn't work on this occasion because the two players he put as wing-backs/wide midfielders were forwards who simply didn't want to defend. Even though you deliberately pushed your wide players on, our wide players should have gone back with them when you were in possession, then we could have hit you on the break.
The problem we have is that we have got so many new players this season, we are still trying to find their best positions. We have really only been getting results (or giving quality teams in our League a close game) because all our players have good technical ability and are good at keeping possession with short passing. When we play 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1, we invariably let no more than one or two goals in.
You are right that our keeper lacks mobility, but he has actually been playing very well this season...until he had a 'mare' against you just at the wrong time.
It was a devastating defeat for us as nobody turned up to training last Wednesday and then we only had 10 men turn up for our match the following week (Sunday just gone). We had to drag another one out of bed to come along later and make eleven. We only lost 2-1 because we played 4-1-4-1 this time (4-1-3-1 to start).

I did read in one of your match reports that you were 'playing our favoured 4-4-2' though, so we guessed that one right ! I also knew that Mitch Hahn (Enfield Town...Step 3) played for Woodford Wanderers, so that would suggest you were a good side to beat them 7-1, although whether Mitch Hahn actually played in that match I don't know ? I think he is a forward. I also read on your website that you had 'several players who had played Semi-Pro' and 'Northern League' was mentioned, which I am guessing is the Northern Premier League and therefore the equivalent of the Ryman League down here. We thought you might have wheeled Marlon Beresford out for the match as it was a Quarter-Final, but I saw a penalty save your other keeper (Andy Cox ?) made in that You Tube APSCIL Cup Final clip and we could see he was about 7 foot tall and quality anyway...as was the goal you scored in that match. Did that player play against us ?

I do admit that until Scottorae corrected me on here that I thought the APSCIL was not a particularly good standard compared to the League we play in, and overall it probably isn't, but we were fully aware that you would certainly be as good as us and probably better, mainly because of your League position last season and the complete dominance you had in that final League table.



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I can tell you that in the Challenge Cup, teams do scout each other. Not just on YouTube either. Some teams actually travel to go and watch their opponents in advance. In this year's quarter-final, one team turned up en masse one Sunday (they had no game that day) to watch their Challenge Cup quarter-final opponents. Said opponent's manager later took a day off from his team to go and watch the other team. However it had limited value as the team he watched made about 8 changes to the team that played in the quarter-final!

Good point also about playing in the 1990s. Before club websites, Facebook, Twitter, mitoo etc websites, it was impossible to know what to expect from the opposition (and easier to play ringers too I imagine!). Back then, a former manager told me the best approach was to "always assume anyone you play is brilliant" (in LFA cups). He even took time out to go and watch a team we were drawn against in a "domestic" cup game from another division in the same league!

I think this forum has helped with scouting too. I know that several Sunday teams read these threads to find out more about their opponents.

LisbonLegend, Sevenacre & Sidcup have clips up on YouTube! Very impressed by your attention to detail when scouting Edmonton Rovers. The "he always cuts in on his right foot" level of analysis is rare in Sunday football. Good luck to MSS in the semi-final. Sounds like you may have your hands full if Sevenacre turn up with their Saturday players. Who knows, they might even be reading this thread to find out more about MSS! Wink


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Do Sunday League teams really have the commitment to study our highlights for tactical advantages ? Did you do that, Lisbonlegend (just out of interest) ?

As it happens, it is also a lot easier for us (Edmonton Rovers) to find out about our London Cup opponents in advance nowadays than it was 10/15/20 years ago.
Thanks to Scottorae posting a link on here, I was able to see a bit of Middlesbrough Supporters South in action on You Tube, and there is plenty of info on their website which we all had a read of before we played them. Most Sunday clubs that enter the London Sunday Cup competitions will either have a website, some clips on You Tube, a Facebook or a Twitter page somewhere, not to mention their own League websites. Back in the 80's & 90's we had nothing whatsoever to go on apart from the previous week's result in a local paper.


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