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Bantam Cymraeg
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As an aside, the reporter at the Rangers game on Final Score today pointed out that the top 4 teams in the SPL (reading upwards) begin with the letters H-M-R-C Cool


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it was the fact that since the new owner took over they now HMRC £9 Million in Unpaid Tax and Vat, why HMRC allowed that sort of arrears to build up must be questioned.


They haven't let it build up. The £9 million has accrued over nine months. HMRC have acted quite quickly on this.


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Whats the difference between accruing £9 Million and letting it build up ? IMO its far too much and HMRC are at fault for not getting involved a lot earlier unless there was a fraud going on.


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It's less than one tax year.
That's fast for HMRC and the slow pace of 'the system'. I'm sure they haven't got the manpower to start chasing taxes a day after they're due and I don't know when Rangers' first payment of this year was due anyway.
I would have assumed companies had until April 5th to pay their 2011-12 tax bill but that's clearly not the case.


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Whilst its not clear exactly what TAX makes up the £9 Million owed, it has been stated it refers to VAT for which returns are supposed to be done on a quarterly basis and it is also being quoted in other areas that since Craig Whyte took over little or no PAYE/NI has been paid. If this is the case then HMRC have been dragging their feet and us the good old Taxpayers have lost out again. PAYE/NI payments are due on the 19th of the month following the month in which the Tax was incurred, if you do not pay then HMRC start chasing up on the 23rd of the month, which we discovered at work prior to Xmas, when they claimed we had not paid, we had as the cheque cleared that day, but thats another story. It will be interesting to see exactly what this £9 Million refers to let alone the alleged £49 Million owed on the EBT Scheme.


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who is there highest value player ?



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Dunfermline have failed to fully pay their players due to cash flow problem caused by non payment of monies due from Rangers (before going into administration)


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news has been quite for last 2 weeks, are what does to the future hold for rangers ?



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according to Talksport - announcement from administrators today - rumours 11 players to leave - read elsewhere they want Healy to leave - don't know how it works up there - whether they can make players redundant with no football creditors first rule or whether its by 'mutual' agreement


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Administrators of Rangers and Portsmouth talking about arranging a friendly between the sides to raise funds for both.


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Administrators of Rangers and Portsmouth talking about arranging a friendly between the sides to raise funds for both.



''And fans of both clubs might draw some comfort from knowing they are not alone in their time of despair and uncertainty.'' Yeah right. I'm sure that exactly what they're all thinking.

Rangers have a pre-arranged friendly on March 30th, a 'legends' game vs an AC Milan XI that was initially supposed to benefit the teams' charitable foundations but will now direct some much-needed cash to the club's coffers. In other words, f*ck the charities.

Does anyone really think Glasgow Rangers are gonna cease to exist? It's not gonna happen.



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eh Glasgow Rangers never did exist, apart in the minds of some foreigners (well quite a lot of them in fact)





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eh Glasgow Rangers never did exist, apart in the minds of some foreigners (well quite a lot of them in fact)



Er, I am foreign to them. I'm English.



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eh Glasgow Rangers never did exist, apart in the minds of some foreigners (well quite a lot of them in fact)


Well some of the more, shall we say, controversial songs refer to 'Glasgow Rangers' and the majority of singers appear to be Scottish.


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eh Glasgow Rangers never did exist, apart in the minds of some foreigners (well quite a lot of them in fact)


Perhaps Glasgow Rangers would be a good name for a re-formed club.


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Having looked at all the relevant news items it appears that the £49 Million Tax Case is not the immediate reason why Rangers went into Administration, it was the fact that since the new owner took over they now HMRC £9 Million in Unpaid Tax and Vat, why HMRC allowed that sort of arrears to build up must be questioned. Also it appears that HMRC were about to issue a winding up petition against Rangers in respect of this £9 Million that was owed. Also the Adminstrators are trying to locate what has happended to £24 Million that was loaned to club by Ticketus against future Ticket Sales.


From BBC Sport today:


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'No ruling' on Rangers administrators' Ticketus challenge

A judge has declined to rule on whether Rangers can rip up its season-ticket deal with Ticketus, which it has emerged was worth more than £30m.

Administrators Duff and Phelps wanted to tear up the agreement on the basis it could discourage bidders who may want to take over the club.

Lord Hodge said he did not have enough information about bids for Rangers to make a ruling.

However, he declined to give Ticketus preferential treatment as creditors.

After a five-day hearing at the Court of Session, the judge said Ticketus had no security over the assets of Rangers and was a simple creditor with the same rights as others owed money by the club.

It had been understood Ticketus paid £24.4m in the season-ticket deal. Court documents have now shown Rangers owner Craig Whyte received more than £20m plus VAT in May last year as previously stated, for season tickets over three years.

Rangers then sold tickets from another season - 2014-15 - receiving more than £5m on or about 21 September. With VAT added, the total payments Rangers received under Whyte were £30.5m.

Having sold season books from the current campaign, Ticketus now own the rights to tickets worth £27m over the next three years, the company confirmed.

Rangers' joint administrator Paul Clark, from Duff and Phelps, welcomed Lord Hodge's decision, saying it meant that Ticketus only had contractual rights and did not have a claim on assets.

He said: "It is clear from the judgement that, as administrators, we have the statutory right and powers to have the company (the Club) refuse to honour the Ticketus arrangements if such a decision would be in the interests of creditors generally."

The Ticketus deal was struck by Rangers owner Craig Whyte during his takeover in May last year.

Mr Whyte used money from the Ticketus deal to complete his purchase of the Ibrox club, taking over its £18m debt from Lloyds Banking Group.
Potential investors

Mr Clark and David Whitehouse were appointed as administrators over a month ago after HMRC lodged a petition over the non-payment of about £9m in PAYE and VAT following Mr Whyte's takeover.

The administrators claimed the Ticketus deal, which would give season ticket revenues to the firm for the next three seasons, could deter potential investors.

Season ticket sales are one of the main sources of income for Rangers, generating about £12m a year.

Their counsel, David Sellar QC had claimed at least one of the four known bidders would not carry on if the contract remained.

Ronald Clancy QC, for Ticketus, had argued that the company which runs Rangers should not be allowed to come out of administration without honouring its contracts.

He urged the judge to say the deal should stay.

A summary of Lord Hodge's decision said he "declined to give a direction" because "he considered that the court had not been given sufficient information to allow it to make such a ruling".

One of the bidders to take over Rangers is the Blue Knights consortium, led by Paul Murray, which includes Ticketus.

After the verdict, a statement from Ticketus said the Blue Knights bid could "achieve a rapid resolution for the club and provide it with a future that is free of unnecessary uncertainty".

"By incorporating Ticketus into their bid, the consortium is uniquely able to secure this outcome," it said.
Blue Knights

The Ticketus statement said: "The court has made it clear today that the Ticketus contract cannot be breached unless there is substantial evidence that by doing so the administrators are able to significantly improve returns for creditors and improve the chance of returning the club to a going concern.

"Given the strength of the Blue Knights consortium's bid, and Ticketus's role in this, with its contract remaining valid and enforceable, we question the ability for this to happen."

Ticketus said it would "do everything necessary" to defend its position and ensure its contract was honoured.

Administrator Mr Clark accepted the judge's refusal to give guidance because details of the competing bids were not divulged.

He said: "This would most certainly not have been in the interests of creditors or the football club, particularly since the party which were subject to the legal proceedings also have an active interest in a bid for the club."

He added: "To date, our discussions with bidders have been very constructive and we will continue these discussions with all parties, including the consortium in which Ticketus is involved, in an effort to achieve a successful outcome.

"We intend to create a shortlist of bids at the earliest opportunity and have no doubt today's decision will have a significant bearing on the proposals put forward by bidders to date."

Once the administrators have assessed the potential bids, they will give one party preferred bidder status.

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Just a bit of sparring before the real battles ahead I guess. I wonder how much it cost.



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Rangers debt may be as high as £134 million.

Administrators report with list of all creditors (including money owed to the local newsagent):

http://www.rangers.co.uk/...8/0,,5~174334,00.pdf

Football clubs to whom money is owed:

St Etienne £252,000
Arsenal £137,000
Chelsea £238,000
Manchester City £238,000
Orebro £150,000
Rapid Vienna £1,012,000
Palermo 206,000
Celtic £40,000
Dundee Utd £66,000
Dunfermline £83,000
Hearts £800,000
Inverness C T £40,000


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Craig Whyte is still hoping to sell his shares?

By the way, anyone else think that Craig Whyte looks like Alan B'Stard?






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SPL announce that a "new" Rangers may start next two seasons on minus 10 points. They have a host of new increased points penalties, which they will be discuusing at the end of April. The BBC sport website are just starting to get a breaking news page up for this story, but as at 15.30 Wednesday, they have created it within the Rugby Union section of website, rather than Football.


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still in scottish premier i assume ???



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The SPL is indeed the Scottish Premier League...


HarryC
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The expected preferred bidder for Rangers - The Blue Knights consortium are stepping back from the process as they were not named preferred bidder last Friday as they believed last week would happen.


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There are two things I struggle with here. One, is it fair to introduce new rules and apply them to a club already in administration. Guess the argument is they haven't actually been liquidated yet but still seems like they are kicking Rangers when they're down.

My second point however is the above should not be relevant. If a club is liquidated, as in the case of Aidrieonians and Gretna don't they lose they're existing status completely and shouldn't they be thrown out of not only the SPL but the SFL. This would create a vacancy at the division three which a Newco Rangers could apply for (and pressumably win) entry to join at the bottom. Is this not what would happen to any other team outside the old firm that was liquidated?


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I'm not an expert on Scottish football or finance - but I just get the refrain of the global downturn as applied to Scottish football that Rangers are just too big to fail
I feel - casting aside wether or not Rangers have either bent or broken tax and or SPL / SFA rules they will survive
I don't know Scottish football but should n't the Edinburgh teams be stronger? Aberdeen? I know you can't merge the Dundee's but surely still stronger - if the voting system changed from the 2 votes veto surely that would be better?
sorry if this is ignorant but I am when it come to the complexities
As an agnostic at best has no one ever tried a Glasgow .. or Edinburgh .. or is it that intrenched?


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I'm not an expert on Scottish football or finance - but I just get the refrain of the global downturn as applied to Scottish football that Rangers are just too big to fail
As an agnostic at best has no one ever tried a Glasgow .. or Edinburgh .. or is it that intrenched?



..............or history obviously.

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