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kirby knitters
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Simple solution, abolish classes of tickets, carriages, they're an anachronism.
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Simple solution, abolish classes of tickets, carriages, they're an anachronism.


Agree completely.

If the Operations Managers etc had to experience the squashed sardine conditions the rest of us have to endure they might actually try to sort the mess out.

Mind you, if first class was done away with they'd probably just go by chauffeur driven limousine instead, so as to avoid mixing with and suffering alongside us peasants.


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And if first class was done away with the the TOC's would doubtless use it as an excuse to attempt fare increases.


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And now Great Western are blaming their delays and disruption...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...uption-on-world-cup/

...on the World Cup! Crazy They should try and remember that excuse when they're still cocking it up in 2022... and 2026... etc.etc...


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And now Great Western are blaming their delays and disruption...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...uption-on-world-cup/

...on the World Cup! Crazy They should try and remember that excuse when they're still cocking it up in 2022... and 2026... etc.etc...


Do Great Western run a service via Moscow?



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And if first class was done away with the the TOC's would doubtless use it as an excuse to attempt fare increases.


Well that's pretty obvious. The premium on first class tickets keeps the standard class tickets lower than they would be. It's not an excuse, it's common sense!


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And now Great Western are blaming their delays and disruption...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...uption-on-world-cup/

...on the World Cup! Crazy They should try and remember that excuse when they're still cocking it up in 2022... and 2026... etc.etc...


Do Great Western run a service via Moscow?


Never to be outdone, Northern are warning of cancellations tomorrow as so many staff have booked the day off for the World Cup Final.

Meanwhile, there is yet another strike on the 21st.


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And if first class was done away with the the TOC's would doubtless use it as an excuse to attempt fare increases.


Well that's pretty obvious. The premium on first class tickets keeps the standard class tickets lower than they would be. It's not an excuse, it's common sense!


Nah, just an excuse. Force the fat cats to squeeze into the peasant wagons with the rest of us. Cool

Then they might try to improve the lousy passenger conditions us Plebs have had to put up with.


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And if first class was done away with the the TOC's would doubtless use it as an excuse to attempt fare increases.


Well that's pretty obvious. The premium on first class tickets keeps the standard class tickets lower than they would be. It's not an excuse, it's common sense!


Nah, just an excuse. Force the fat cats to squeeze into the peasant wagons with the rest of us. Cool

Then they might try to improve the lousy passenger conditions us Plebs have had to put up with.


Don't give them ideas, if you say wagons that's what you'll get as carriages are much more expensive!


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Anything that heaps more bad press on certain operators is worth a story even if TL were kind of in the right this time.

And today Thameslink seem to have got things slightly better on the first day of the third new timetable of the summer, 59% of trains running ok Sly We sat at Blackfriars on Saturday awaiting two trains that failed to show. I have bad memories of this lovely station from way before these troubles. It was the days when the only bad time keeping came from DQ.Cool


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With the Southern League fixtures released today, I finished populating my projected 2018/19 Master Spreadsheet with a flourish, only to find I've now got a lengthy re-write of the early part of the season as SouthWestern Railways are on strike Saturdays 28/07 through to 01/09/18 (excluding 25/08 for some reason) ….. Frown


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Thousands of people have been stranded today in Yorkshire and at points along the East Coast Mainline by cancellations caused by a lightning strike at York railway station which knocked out much of the signaling in the area...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/.../uk-england-44978970

I appreciate that adverse weather (particularly the unpredictable type, like flooding or lightning) is hardly the fault of the railway companies, but it's a perfect illustration of quite how stretched the railways are at the moment. Whether it be a lightning strike, a vehicle hitting a bridge, an act of vandalism or any other incident out of their control, it seems to me that there is very little slack in the system these days to compensate on such occasions.

Plenty of people presently stranded in Yorkshire at the moment are going to be getting home tonight many hours late. Even when the trains do start running again, they'll be even more packed than they normally are because the privatised rail companies do their upmost to save cash by hiring out fewer carriages from the leasing companies - there won't be a nearby goods-yard with spare carriages lined up the way there once would have been. Under British Rail, running a twelve carriage train would have cost the same (give or take a bit) as running a two carriage train - that is definitely not the case these days.

On top of that, this rush to get passengers to buy their tickets in advance (and so limit them to a specific train) will only be adding to the chaos tonight. Years and years of heavy-handed behaviour by ticket staff (heavy fines, intimidation, court action etc.) will leave many people with pre-booked tickets feeling confused and anxious about which (packed-to-the-ceiling) train they dare to board. I'm going to guess that Friday evening is a peak-time for pre-booked tickets on long-distance services running through places like York. Richard Branson (and others) seems to be determined to run his trains like an airline, without acknowledging that what passengers want from trains and aeroplanes is so obviously very different.


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Even when the trains do start running again, they'll be even more packed than they normally are because the privatised rail companies do their upmost to save cash by hiring out fewer carriages from the leasing companies - there won't be a nearby goods-yard with spare carriages lined up the way there once would have been. Under British Rail, running a twelve carriage train would have cost the same (give or take a bit) as running a two carriage train - that is definitely not the case these days.


Most of this spare capacity had gone by the mid/late 80s. Having crews and spare locos on standby in case of breakdowns (before the death of the universal coupling, of course), being able to haul a complete spare set of carriages out of the carriage sidings or simply being able to strengthen a train at a few minutes notice – all that disappeared with the end of loco-hauled stock and the complete takeover by the fixed-formation trainset.

Beeching saw the enormous waste from an accountant's point of views. Up to a point he had a point – vast numbers of old carriages (and wagons) on the books that hardly ever turned a wheel. The Big Four (and BR too during the early 50s) ran enormous numbers of holiday trains using these derelict old chicken-sheds on wheels. Imagine a trip from Leciester to Great Yarmouth, 150 miles of often single track railway, 30-40 mph average speed, mostly non-corridor, non-gangwayed stock. That's spare capacity you'd be glad to avoid.


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Very interesting, you mention vast numbers of old carriages but in this day and age its vast numbers of new carriages that were built for trips to Europe from Bham and the Manchester and were never used.Also units with sod all wrong with them , in many cases just a few years old are heading to the cutting yards of Rotherham and god knows where else. The good Doctor must be turning in his grave.


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Very interesting, you mention vast numbers of old carriages but in this day and age its vast numbers of new carriages that were built for trips to Europe from Bham and the Manchester and were never used. Also units with sod all wrong with them , in many cases just a few years old are heading to the cutting yards of Rotherham and god knows where else. The good Doctor must be turning in his grave.


Such as? I'm not sure that I've heard of any controversial disposals but if some of BR's final horrors have gone to the scrapyard before their booked time (according to the accountants) then good riddance.

The good Doctor ought to have been spinning on his live axis when BR-built steam locos were going for scrap after less than a third of their working life.


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Very interesting, you mention vast numbers of old carriages but in this day and age its vast numbers of new carriages that were built for trips to Europe from Bham and the Manchester and were never used. Also units with sod all wrong with them , in many cases just a few years old are heading to the cutting yards of Rotherham and god knows where else. The good Doctor must be turning in his grave.


Such as? I'm not sure that I've heard of any controversial disposals but if some of BR's final horrors have gone to the scrapyard before their booked time (according to the accountants) then good riddance.

The good Doctor ought to have been spinning on his live axis when BR-built steam locos were going for scrap after less than a third of their working life.

I think the disposal of the eurostar stock was put to bed a few years ago. It was ordered built delivered and payed for yet stood rotting in sidings due to a service that never came to fruition and, an ill thought out shambles that cost the tax payer millions.

Perfectly good stuff is still on the way for scrap with years left in it, Heathrow Express for a start and it's far from alone so little changes with the passage of time.


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The ancient coaches that I referred to that were wheeled out for the summer holidays should have been scrapped years earlier. Their disposal would not have been a case of unnecessary waste but a mercy – to the public.

The squandering of vast sums of public money on the 'modernisation' programme of the 50s and the 60s is another matter entirely and would make the scrapping of Eurostar carriages look like a minor clerical error. It's a subject for another day...


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I seem to remember the 'Nightstar' stock was stored at Kineton before being sold to Canadian Railways at a fraction of their price.
They were massively over engineered for domestic use on traditional railways, hence no other takers.

Here's a link for a bit more info:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)


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I seem to remember the 'Nightstar' stock was stored at Kineton before being sold to Canadian Railways at a fraction of their price.
They were massively over engineered for domestic use on traditional railways, hence no other takers.

Here's a link for a bit more info:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)
Thanks for that JimG. I spent half the night looking for relevant info.



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A story in today’s South Wales Evening Post about Arriva Trains Wales...

A couple of Sunday’s ago, one of their trains travelling from Haverfordwest to Cardiff had faulty toilets, so the train stopped at Carmarthen so that passengers could get off and use the toilets on the station. The train then promptly left Carmarthen, leaving behind six of its passengers. One was a 15yo girl whose friends (and luggage) were still on-board.

Whatever happened here could be put down to human error/jobsworth attitude. What I find even more remarkable, however, is this short addition hidden away at the very end of the story...

”Arriva Trains Wales was also criticised after it was revealed that the company took 10% of money found in any purse or wallet found on its vehicles. The controversial policy came to light after a passenger was apparently told he would only have his wallet returned at a charge of £2 plus 10% of the cash contents. The company has since reversed its policy.”

What sort of weasel crooks are in charge here? Unbelievable!


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Weasel crooks that will be gone in October with the ending of the ATW franchise.


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As well as worst train company, how about the worst trade union? South-West Trains has just announced more strikes for November, all on Saturdays. I thought that, historically, the point of a strike was to damage the economy by only striking on working days and therefore win concessions from the government, however it now seems that times have changed and this particular union just wants to ruin people's weekends.


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We had a family wedding in the summer, this included a couple bringing their one year old and three year old daughters long distance. They booked seats well in advance on a no-change direct train.

On the day....industrial action...train cancelled. A straightforward but long journey turned into a nightmare of changing trains and grabbing a seat where and when they could.

Will they rely on trains in future? Somehow I doubt it. Maybe best not to ask them what they think of the rail unions.

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No I don't think that the purpose of a strike is to damage the economy on a working day and this is nothing to do with getting concessions from the Government as South Western is owned by a Scottish and a Hong Kong based private Company whose directors are unlikely to ever have to commute on the trains they run. They do have share holders though who are only interested in dividends and profit.

As for Trade Unions... we are not in the 1970's where a Union leader could just call a strike like in the Carry On film that I forget the name of "Right! Everyone out!" There has to be proper notice and a legal ballot so all the Trade Unions are doing is implementing the will of their members.

I don't use South Western, I don't even use trains these days but I would trust the judgement of the people who actually operate them about what is safe and what isn't over and above the fund managers in Hong Kong or Scotland.


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No I don't think that the purpose of a strike is to damage the economy on a working day and this is nothing to do with getting concessions from the Government as South Western is owned by a Scottish and a Hong Kong based private Company whose directors are unlikely to ever have to commute on the trains they run. They do have share holders though who are only interested in dividends and profit.

As for Trade Unions... we are not in the 1970's where a Union leader could just call a strike like in the Carry On film that I forget the name of "Right! Everyone out!" There has to be proper notice and a legal ballot so all the Trade Unions are doing is implementing the will of their members.

I don't use South Western, I don't even use trains these days but I would trust the judgement of the people who actually operate them about what is safe and what isn't over and above the fund managers in Hong Kong or Scotland.


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