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blucher blue
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May 11, 2012, 12:08 PM

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Location: Newton, Hyde
Team(s): Stalybridge Celtic, Oldham A. Charlton

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They should do whatever they think fit within the confines of the spirit of the game. Its not Government FFS, "given emails" etc. In the end Shortwood can prove me wrong by simply indicating 1) they accept the decision taken and b) even if the league/FA were inclined to relook at the case they don't want a points deduction that results in their promotion and a pereception they earned it in the committee room.

For me the whole of that Shortwood statement reaks of being their own judge and jury and that in itself tells me this is about promotion at all costs.
Grief, there's some bitter people on here!


Slumming It
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May 11, 2012, 12:12 PM

Posts: 640
Location: Surbiton
Team(s): Leeds United, Rawmarsh Welfare (RIP)

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They should do whatever they think fit within the confines of the spirit of the game. Its not Government FFS, "given emails" etc. In the end Shortwood can prove me wrong by simply indicating 1) they accept the decision taken and b) even if the league/FA were inclined to relook at the case they don't want a points deduction that results in their promotion and a pereception they earned it in the committee room.

For me the whole of that Shortwood statement reaks of being their own judge and jury and that in itself tells me this is about promotion at all costs.
Grief, there's some bitter people on here!

On what basis do you write that? I have no connection with any club involved. In the end if you support Shortwood you support promotion by committee. Having just seen the secretaries last word on the matter (next post) then it proberbly should be everyones last comment on it.




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Steps 1-4 are a duty, step 5 to be hoped for and steps 6-whatever are an occasional option.

(This post was edited by Slumming It on May 11, 2012, 12:14 PM)


Jim Cunneen
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May 11, 2012, 12:12 PM

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This is my last word on the subject

We have already accepted the verdict - the statement says that.

Disapointed - of course we are disappointed!

We have not been judge and jury - this whole statement comes from another statement made by the Hellenic League's own web site. Of course we will defend ourselves.
All the Hellenic League needed to do was to write to the club explaining why they took the decision they did and it would have been accepted immediately.
I expect you to say otherwise - that is your right ...
But that is a fact.
They didn't, would not discuss it and told us to go the FA.
Both sides have had their say, Us and the Hellenic. THe Fa have looked at it and made a decision . We accept that and move on.
This matter was not raised by us on this or any other forum - we have just given our side of the story once we were questioned.


ianh
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May 11, 2012, 12:56 PM

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Post #329 of 457 (5389 views)
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They should do whatever they think fit within the confines of the spirit of the game. Its not Government FFS, "given emails" etc. In the end Shortwood can prove me wrong by simply indicating 1) they accept the decision taken and b) even if the league/FA were inclined to relook at the case they don't want a points deduction that results in their promotion and a pereception they earned it in the committee room.

For me the whole of that Shortwood statement reaks of being their own judge and jury and that in itself tells me this is about promotion at all costs.

of course its trying to get promotion, of course its clutching at straws, but wouldnt you try to grasp any lifeline for your club
it is a problem which should have been addressed when it happened, but wasnt, and now Shortwood have suffered


This 13 clubs into 12 situation has happened once before with Witham I beleive, and was what the FA were trying to address
Unfortunately they tried to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and was duly defeated.
but the problem is still there and needs addressing, and could be with any number of ways, all a lot less painful than the last attempt
(I havent said FA, cos we all know it was they who tried to address the problem, but not they who offered the original solution)


Turbine View
Junior Team Sub

May 11, 2012, 2:35 PM

Posts: 22
Location: Cashes Green
Team(s): Plymouth, Shortwood Utd, FGR (in past),

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Oh don't worry, I'm sure Sir Brian will attend to matters..


hunter
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May 11, 2012, 6:59 PM

Posts: 155
Location: Swadlincote, Derbyshire
Team(s): Gresley FC (ex Rovers), Everton, CA Huracan (Buenos Aires), Coventry Bees.

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I really don't see what Shortwood have done wrong here. They have every right to ask relevant questions, which it seems they've done in a careful manner, particularly as they have been part of the ridiculous promotion bottle-neck at Step 5 to 4. Gresley only just made it, and if hadn't and we'd seen evidence of something potentially being amiss, i'd want to know the correct resolution process was followed through. Good luck to Shortwood for next year.


petermiller36
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May 11, 2012, 7:21 PM

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Very much agree with hunter here. Well put as well.



Step 4 and 5 Spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/2013step4and5

T: @petermiller36


Darren
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May 11, 2012, 8:46 PM

Posts: 226
Location: Mossley
Team(s): Mossley

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So is the FA meeting to decide the league allocations on Tuesday 15th May as has been mentioned on here before?



COME ON MOSSLEY


Nigel m
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May 11, 2012, 9:39 PM

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I think they meet on the 15th and the allocation is made public on the 25th May, if i have read correctly


Turbine View
Junior Team Sub

May 12, 2012, 8:25 AM

Posts: 22
Location: Cashes Green
Team(s): Plymouth, Shortwood Utd, FGR (in past),

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Re: [hunter] Step 4 2012-13 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately
Agreed Hunter, its one of the consequences of the rediculous log jam at the top of step 5, where a number of progressive and well run sides are continually frustrated, ground down and fade back into lower levels or worse because of the FA's Hellenic like fence perching. Either restructure properly or at least, ensure there are regional inter league play-offs to give clubs something to play for. Also, make sure that clubs like Oxford City Nom...no we all know its Reserves play with all the rest in Hellenic 2 east or west. Now that is just plain wrong, one precious place blocked. Endeth rant.Frown


HarryC
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May 12, 2012, 11:18 AM

Posts: 997
Location: Fleet
Team(s): Fleet, Aldershot, Chelsea

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Just a couple of points:
  1. Fleet Town for Bedfont Town? You have some information we don't?
  2. How are you justifying Stourport's reprieve?

Looks interesting otherwise

Latest from the new Bedfont Social and Feltham FC club set up http://www.pitchero.com/bedfontandfelthamfc/
says the the future looks bleak for Bedfont Town, but nothing definate yet one way or other


pitch 63
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May 12, 2012, 1:36 PM

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I cannot see what Shortwood has done wrong. All clubs want to strive for the highest level of football that they can achieve and they clearly saw that the Hellenic League, Oxford City Nomads and the player were in the wrong and in their opinion the matter had not been dealt with correctly.

What surprises me is the poor administration of the Hellenic League and the statement that the Registration Secretary was on holiday. In a League of this standing there must be an Assistant Registration Secretary who takes over his/her duties in periods of absence and who should have spotted the "dual" registration.

Also why were Oxford City Nomads allowed to get away with this? The Standard Code of Rules state -

The Management Committee shall decide all registration disputes.

In the event of a player signing a registration form or having a registration submitted for more than one Club priority of registration shall decide for which Club the player shall be registered. The (Registrations) Secretary shall notify the Club last applying to register the player of the fact of the previous registration.

It shall be deemed misconduct for a player to:-

(i) Play for more than one Club in the Competition in the same season without
first being transferred.

(ii) Having signed for one Club in the Competition, sign for another Club in the
Competition in that season except for the purpose of a transfer.

The Management Committee shall have power to refuse, cancel or suspend the registration of any player who has been charged and found guilty of registration irregularities.


Jim Cunneen
Junior Team Sub


May 13, 2012, 12:10 PM

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and still clutchimg at straws.... antone have any news as yet of Retford FC's intentions...


Mr. T
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May 15, 2012, 9:00 PM

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Post #339 of 457 (3758 views)
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I think they meet on the 15th and the allocation is made public on the 25th May, if i have read correctly
Has anyone got a sniff of this?


Nigel m
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May 15, 2012, 9:10 PM

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Re: [Jim Cunneen] Step 4 2012-13 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately
Jim - i think this is in the balance with Retford, i cannot see anywhere that they have made a decision. All i can see is that the manager from last season initially said he was going to resign at the end of last season and then said he would stay on IF the money problems could be sorted. It would take quite a change around for that to happen, having voluntarily being demoted because of money the season before last and now seeking promotion again when the club were not paying their way last season even though they became champions.


Turbine View
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May 16, 2012, 8:28 PM

Posts: 22
Location: Cashes Green
Team(s): Plymouth, Shortwood Utd, FGR (in past),

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You would think they'd be shouting from rooftops all over Notts were they to be going up and frankly the NPL would also be proceeding with due caution in respect of their potential application anyway surely?Unimpressed


gresleyfcfan
Youth Team Regular

May 16, 2012, 8:33 PM

Posts: 222
Location: South Derbyshire
Team(s): Gresley FC

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Re: [Turbine View] Step 4 2012-13 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately
Retford turned down - http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/retfordunited/news/fa-deliver-verdict-on-promotion-584737.html



Next up at Gresley FC:
Sat 9th March Hucknall Town 3pm



rusty
Junior Team Regular

May 16, 2012, 8:49 PM

Posts: 29
Location: Chelmsford
Team(s): Braintree Town

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I assume this means that Shortwood will get promoted given their PPG is better than Bridlington.


KLTFC
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May 16, 2012, 8:59 PM

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If Retford have been told they are not going up will they tell teams that are going up as we at Kings Lynn Town have no idea whats going on


gresleyfcfan
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May 16, 2012, 9:04 PM

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I think we just have to presume we are up based on the fact that as the good folks here have put hard work into working it out, it makes sense. Then again this is the FA so who knows....



Next up at Gresley FC:
Sat 9th March Hucknall Town 3pm



rainworthgord
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May 16, 2012, 9:18 PM

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My guess is that Retford have been told because they are not going up. That can be done before clubs are allocated to divisions. I'm fairly confident Gresley will come northwards, but King's Lynn's destination is anyone's guess, although they should come up.


Mr. T
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May 16, 2012, 9:30 PM

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Ten champions (includes Three Bridges), plus King's Lynn and Shortwood.

What can go wrong for you from here?!


petermiller36
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May 16, 2012, 9:34 PM

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Wow! They'll be doing cartwheels in Shortwood tonight! My spreadsheet has been updated to show Retford's "failure" and that Shortwood should now be up as a result of that. Out of interest, does anyone know if Bridlington Town got the ground grading?

http://bit.ly/step4and5



Step 4 and 5 Spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/2013step4and5

T: @petermiller36


Mister TwoU
First Team Sub


May 16, 2012, 10:56 PM

Posts: 1160
Location: Bo'ness
Team(s): Cowdenbeath

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Please note: This is NOT my idea how I think things will pan-out, rather it's my idea upon how I think the level ought to be split to be more equitable to more clubs!

Updated vis a vis Retford. I AM slowly managing to learn how to Googlemap, but it's fraught, lol. Now finished, given the selected clubs - and I have to say that on the map this distribution is actually beautiful; visually satisfying; and quire artistic!. I'll update further as and when any other extraordinary issues arising happen.

Been having a think about step 4 tonite, now we know all the teams that will occupy the step, and found a set of divisional constitutions that ought just about please every team at the level. Probably excepting Coalville Town & Loughborough Dnamo. Maybe slightly perplexing present IL1N incumbents (as I've really expanded their footprint - which was needed anyway).
On the other hand, New Mills, Halesowen Town, Stourport Swifts, Thamesmead Town & Chatham Town would likely be particularly happy.
If Shortwood United replace Retford United in step 5 promotion, then Aylesbury & Didcot Town would switch to S1C, Coalville Town & Loughborough Dynamo revert to NP1S & Evesham United return to S1S&W.

There's one rider: I'm useless with maps, so there's probably a few geographical finesses needed that you'll spot and which I'd be grateful if you point-out. Likewise, shout any improvements you see.


Northern Premier Div One North

Bamber Bridge
Burscough
Cammell Laird
Clitheroe
Curzon Ashton
Darlington
Farsley
Garforth Town
Harrogate Railway Athletic
Lancaster City
Mossley
New Mills
Ossett Albion
Ossett Town
Prescot Cables
Radcliffe Borough
Ramsbottom United
Salford City
Skelmersdale United
Trafford
Wakefield
Warrington Town

Northern Premier Div One South

Belper Town
Brigg Town
Carlton Town
Chasetown
Coalville Town
Goole
Gresley
Halesowen Town
Hucknall Town
Kidsgrove Athletic
Leek Town
Lincoln United
Loughborough Dynamo
Market Drayton Town
Mickleover Sports
Newcastle Town
Northwich Victoria
Rainworth Miners Welfare
Romulus
Sheffield
Stourport Swifts
Sutton Coldfield Town

Southern Division One Central

AFC Hayes
Ashford Town (Mx)
Beaconsfield SYCOB
Burnham
Chalfont St. Peter
Chertsey Town
Didcot Town
Fleet Town
Godalming Town
Guildford City
Hungerford Town
North Greenford United
Northwood
Poole Town
Sholing
Slough Town
Thatcham Town
Uxbridge
Walton & Hersham
Walton Casuals
Wimborne Town
Winchester City

Southern Div One South & West

Aylesbury
Barton Rovers
Biggleswade Town
Bishops Cleeve
Bridgwater Town
Cinderford Town
Cirencester Town
Clevedon Town
Daventry Town
Evesham United
Leighton Town
Mangotsfield United
Merthyr Town
North Leigh
Paulton Rovers
Rugby Town
Shortwood United
Swindon Supermarine
Taunton Town
Tiverton Town
Woodford United
Yate Town

Isthmian Division One North

AFC Sudbury
Aveley
Brentwood Town
Cheshunt
Grays Athletic
Harlow Town
Heybridge Swifts
Ilford
King's Lynn Town
Maldon & Tiptree
Needham Market
Potters Bar Town
Redbridge
Romford
Royston Town
Soham Town Rangers
Stamford
Tilbury
Waltham Abbey
Waltham Forest
Witham Town
Wroxham

Isthmian Division One South

Burgess Hill Town
Chatham Town
Chipstead
Corinthian-Casuals
Crawley Down
Dulwich Hamlet
Eastbourne Town
Faversham Town
Folkestone Invicta
Herne Bay
Horsham
Hythe Town
Leatherhead
Maidstone United
Merstham
Ramsgate
Sittingbourne
Thamesmead Town
Three Bridges
Tooting & Mitcham United
Whitstable Town
Worthing




Ut temporibus est cum diabolus accipit renes

Still the original Paddy MacNab.

(This post was edited by Mister TwoU on May 17, 2012, 12:33 AM)


VP
Man City Transfer Target!


May 16, 2012, 11:02 PM

Posts: 7146
Location: Bagshot
Team(s): Camberley Town

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Been having a think about step 4 tonite, now we know all the teams that will occupy the step
Do we?
You've got Fleet staying at step 4.
Have I missed something?

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