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VP
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Sep 26, 2011, 8:36 PM

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Combined Counties Premier - Hanworth Villa deducted three points for ineligible player in the game v Croydon on August 6th.

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Isthmian One North - the Leiston - AFC Sudbury match on 27 September did not finish 0-0, it was abandoned.

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Thank you I will amend.

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Sep 29, 2011, 1:49 PM

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deduction applied to table

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Sep 29, 2011, 8:08 PM

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South Devon League Premier Division.

Buckland Athletic Reserves have nine points. This is confirmed on the league's page on NLM ( http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/147/ ) as well as on the league's official site yet on the global league table they're showing as having 13 points ( http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/global/leaguetables/.
I saw the 4.33ppg which made me look into it.
Also, on the page on the NLM site there's no mention of the two points they've been awarded.

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Sep 30, 2011, 10:23 AM

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Yes I've been talking to John about this one. This stems from a game that Buckland drew 2-2 but it seems they were subsequently 'awarded' the game so they keep the point they earned from the draw and get an extra 2 points added.

Adding points seems to screw up the NLM global table so the only solution is to change the scoreline to 2-1 and not add any points. This makes the table correct apart from the goal difference being out by one goal.

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Oct 1, 2011, 9:06 PM

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Not sure how we do these, but:-

Dorset Premier League

Wincanton Town deducted 3 points for playing an illegible player (prob. Polish!)
Weymouth Reserves deducted 6 points for playing an ineligible player (3pts) and for not turning up (3pts)!

(This post was edited by RRYFS on Oct 1, 2011, 9:15 PM)

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Oct 2, 2011, 12:48 AM

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In other words the table on nonleaguematters is now incorrect, and one result shown is deliberately in error.

Without an objective of 100% accuracy the site loses credibility. Keeping up-to-date with points adjustments means tables will sometimes be lagging behind the 'official', that's understandable. Falsifying a result to overcome a software bug is just plain wrong.

Wouldn't it be better to take down the South Devon League Premier Division until such time as the problem is fixed?

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Oct 2, 2011, 10:52 AM

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It's a temporary solution that is designed to display this division on NLM as accurately as is possible. When I get a software upgrade I will get a fix.

The problem is that the official table showed Buckland (or did at the time) as Pl 3 W3 D0 L0 Pts 9 (+2 points added) despite still showing the match in question as a 2-2 draw. I can't replicate that. I had imagined that when a match was awarded to an opponent it would be by a default score of 3-0 or something. I didn't imagine that the score of 2-2 would stand, be recorded as a win and the club would keep the 1 point and have another 2 added.

the problem seems to the global PPG table. Where points as deducted you don't notice because that team wouldn't be in the top 250 but where points are added it shoots them straight to the top. It should be an easy fix then we can go back and change the result to 2-2 and add them their 2 points. Presumably that's what the official table will show aswell when they get their own software fixed.

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Oct 2, 2011, 3:35 PM

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can you not give a value of -2 too points deducted? seems easiest fix too me.

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Oct 5, 2011, 10:28 PM

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Another points deduction.

This time it's North West Counties Football League, Division One
Ashton Town deducted 3 points.

mr creosote
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Oct 7, 2011, 11:50 AM

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Eastern Counties Leage Division One:

Cambridge University Press deducted 1 point.

Cambridgeshire County League Senior A Division:

Wisbech Town Reserves deducted 3 points.

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Oct 8, 2011, 8:21 AM

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Ashton Town, Cambridge University Press and Wisbech Town Reserves all amended

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Oct 9, 2011, 10:49 AM

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Croydon Greenside have withdrawn from the Surrey South Eastern Combination.

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Oct 9, 2011, 1:22 PM

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Surrey Elite Intermediate League.
Weston Green Sports v Farnborough North End on 3rd September has been awarded to the home side as FNE failed to raise a team.
The official league table adds these games into the P, W & L columns but, as that's not possible on here, Weston Green Sports need a 3 point addition. A note at the bottom explaining the reason should be alright.
Or, I can record the game as 1-0 win which means the goals for and against will be wrong.

johnanderson
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Oct 13, 2011, 9:19 AM

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Croydon Greenside removed from league

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Oct 13, 2011, 8:01 PM

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A few matches have been "awarded" in the Bedfordshire County League. Details are below. I am not sure how it is best to express these for NLM but am sure that others will have a good idea what to do.

Bedfordshire County League Premier Division
The Bedford Hatters 2 Wilshamstead 0 scoreline from 3rd September has been expunged. The match (and thus three points) have been awarded to Wilhamstead but with a 0-0 scoreline.

The Oakley Sports v Woburn match that should have been played on 3rd September has been awarded to Oakley Sports but with a 0-0 scoreline.

Bedfordshire County League Division One
The Marston Shelton Rovers v Lea Sports PSG match that should have been played on 1st October has been awarded to Marston Shelton Rovers but with a 0-0 scoreline.

Bedfordshire County League Division Three
The Goldington v Royal Oak Kempston match that should have been played on 10th September has been awarded to Goldington but with a 0-0 scoreline.

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Oct 17, 2011, 12:25 PM

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I'm not sure how to record these either. The software simply cannot handle a 0-0 win. It isn't something I had thought to include in the design so I can't even go back and get it fixed as a bug.

I would think the only way around this is to record these games as 1-0 for the time being. Then when we start on a software update I will talk to the develiopers about the best way to include this and we can go back and change these matches.

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Oct 17, 2011, 1:48 PM

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Completely understandable that you did not think to include this possibility. It does seem rather bizarre.

How about if 3 points are added to each of the teams to whom the matches were awarded with a footnote like "Bedford Hatters v Wilshamstead: Match awarded to Wilshamstead with 0-0 scoreline". The Played/Won/Drawn/Lost details will not be entirely correct but at least the points and goal difference will be correct and this is, of course, key to the correct positions in the table being shown.

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Oct 17, 2011, 6:59 PM

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There isn't really a facility to add points. Again it's somthing I didn't consider.

You CAN add points by putting a minus sign in front in the points deducted box on the team screen but this messes up the global points per game table.

However in any case this isn't going to make the table any more accurate than it is now as you rightly say. Doing it our way means that the W/D/L is correct but the goal difference is out by one. Doing it the other way means that the W/D/L is wrong but the goal difference is right however the global PPG table is meaningless. If those are the two choices then I think the 1-0 solution is better until we get a software upgrade to somehow handle these scenarios.

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Oct 17, 2011, 11:07 PM

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So, if we put these games down as 1-0 is it possible to add a note at the bottom explaining this?
I'll put the Weston Green Sports v Farnborough North End game in as a 1-0 next time I'm editing.

On that subject, and this is being pedantic, I see where points have been deducted it's always written as 'points were deducted' even when it's just one. Can this be changed or does the system automatically put it in the plural?
Eg. Eastern Counties Division One.

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Oct 18, 2011, 9:31 AM

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I had one case last season when a game which was never played was resolved by giving three points to one of the teams, without any goals being scored. The league themselves showed this in their final table as a 0-0 win. However, I tried to show, in the NLM table, and in one other which I maintain, what I hope is a more accurate picture. I showed the final table as the two teams in question having played only 41 games, rather than the full set of 42, with one of the teams being awarded three bonus points. And then adding a footnote on one of the websites explaining the reason. Showing only 41 games having been played also had the merit of not skewing the average attendance figures, something which some people regard as important.

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Oct 22, 2011, 11:38 PM

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I have added 1-0 victories instead of the 0-0 victories given by the league. This makes the tables in NLM correct apart from the odd goal.

Can we please add the following text at the bottom of the tables?

Bedfordshire County League Premier Division
"The Bedford Hatters 2 Wilshamstead 0 scoreline from 3rd September has been expunged. The match (and thus three points) have been awarded to Wilhamstead but with a 0-0 scoreline. The table above shows a 0-1 scoreline."

"The Oakley Sports v Woburn match that should have been played on 3rd September has been awarded to Oakley Sports but with a 0-0 scoreline. The table above shows a 1-0 scoreline."

Bedfordshire County League Division One
"The Marston Shelton Rovers v Lea Sports PSG match that should have been played on 1st October has been awarded to Marston Shelton Rovers but with a 0-0 scoreline. The table above shows a 1-0 scoreline."

Bedfordshire County League Division Three
"The Goldington v Royal Oak Kempston match that should have been played on 10th September has been awarded to Goldington but with a 0-0 scoreline. The table above shows a 1-0 scoreline."

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Oct 23, 2011, 2:48 PM

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If this is possible can you also the same for the Surrey Elite Intermediate League?

"The Weston Green Sports v Farnborough North End match that should have been played on 3rd September has been awarded to Weston Green Sports but with a 0-0 scoreline. The table above shows a 1-0 scoreline."

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Oct 23, 2011, 8:57 PM

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Sorry - any chance of actioning the DPL points deductions in post 132, or letting me know if I can do it.
Thanks

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