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MistaFozzII
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So what happens now, FIFA is rotten to the core, people like Jack Warner should have had a foot shoved up his arse years ago, and so should Bin Hammam by the sounds of things.

Sepp Blatter himself needs to go as well, he said he knew brown envelopes were doing the rounds, but he apparantly did not know they had changed hands, he should be booted for that alone, didnt John Higgins get suspended for a similar reason in that he knew money was changing hands and was himself offered cash which he turned down.

So where does World Football go from here, I think FIFA should be shut down, scrapped and reformed with a different regime, I have noticed sections of the press saying England should pull out of FIFA for moral reasons, but who are we to preach to anybody, our own FA are not exactly squeaky clean themselves.

Going on the pull out of FIFA scenario, how can that be achieved, to be effective I would imagine we would need a few of the top 10 int'l teams to follow, along with major sponsors, I cannot think of many top teams who like us enough to put there int'l status on the line.

Would a massive vote of no confidence be enough to sort it all out.

Who polices FIFA, I know Blatter is the head honcho, does he answer to himself or is there some authority above, can the ethics comm. overrule the blatter and the exec comm.

What would we need to do under a new regime to clean things up, at the end of the day, we need an international ethics team independent of FIFA.

While I was on with that, I think the continental bodies should be scrapped along with FIFA and start from scratch, using UEFA as an example to start with, have say a 15 person exec comm with 8 places gained by election with the other 7 being co-opted, with that management answering to a wider group, with FA Chiefs and Fans, say 50 members, set the quorum at either 50+1 or at least 55% of the vote to push things forward

Do they same with FIFA, but also setup an independent organisation along the lines Independent Police Complaints Commission, made up of independent people like DPP's, Sports Ministers, people with the legal experience, at least one fan if possible.

I understand this can be a touchy subject at times and every man and his dog will have an opinion on this.

What do others think



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I have just bought FIFA 11
Tried to load it onto the laptop and it kept saying cannot load file corrupt

Cunch of Bunts the lot of em


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I have just bought FIFA 11
Tried to load it onto the laptop and it kept saying cannot load file corrupt



Crisis? There is no crisis!


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Not worth worrying about. The world is going to end on 21 October


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Thats a Friday. Any idea what time? Will there be chance to get in an evening ko? Will it be worth getting a return ticket or won't there be time?
All info gratefully received.



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Is this the re-arranged ending of the world that was postponed on May 21st?


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Thats a Friday. Any idea what time? Will there be chance to get in an evening ko? Will it be worth getting a return ticket or won't there be time?
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Return ticket? Your lot must be bloody awful if they charge you to get out as well as in! Tongue


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Pah! Your warnings mean nothing unless they're in very big capital letters. In red too.


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Returning to the serious question (for how long I cannot say) I saw a piece earlier on BBC from Tim Vickery saying that most of the Asian and African nations wouldn't support a breakaway (I think this is what he was saying - it was one that auto-text/speechy thing in the pub) because they remember the days when "England ruled the world through Stanley Rous" and the World Cup had 16 places, 1 of which went to Asia and Africa combined. Now, I'm not sure if he was quoting but knowing my World Cup qualifiers history, it seems a bit much for the AFC or CAF to complain about that when between them they could only raise about half a dozen teams anyway.

I suspect FIFA will carry on unfortunately. I say that because I think football has got too big too quick and needs a reality check. Blatter coming out clean was so predictable it was funny. You have to give the guy credit - he knows how to play the game(s). That's what's always set him apart from his contenders. He may be a crook but he beats the rest hands down at the power game.


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Is this the re-arranged ending of the world that was postponed on May 21st?


The very same one that was originally postponed from sometime in 1994.



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the mafia has less corruption in it than fifa does Wink



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I seem to recall reading once that the reason we never entered the World Cup until 1950 is because we were in dispute with FIFA. As corrupt as they are FIFA still rule World Football and every country has to be affilliated to play the game. All this talk of pulling out of FIFA is Crap. We would be completely out on a limb, remember South African sport under Apartheid. FIFA has always been corrupt going back to the days of Havalange who awarded the Exclusive TV rights of the World Cup to a Brazillian TV company who just happened to be run by his Son In Law. The way to beat corruption is from the inside, get decent people in there who will put the game first. Unfortunately the richer people become the more greedier they become.



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Thats a Friday. Any idea what time? Will there be chance to get in an evening ko? Will it be worth getting a return ticket or won't there be time?
All info gratefully received.

Ned, don't buy any green bananas in the morning.



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Thats a Friday. Any idea what time? Will there be chance to get in an evening ko? Will it be worth getting a return ticket or won't there be time?
All info gratefully received.

Ned, don't buy any green bananas in the morning.

Or cucumbers!!!!!


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Thats a Friday. Any idea what time? Will there be chance to get in an evening ko? Will it be worth getting a return ticket or won't there be time?
All info gratefully received.

Ned, don't buy any green bananas in the morning.


Good job you took out that death with optional dismemberment policy Phil.



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"Not worth worrying about. The world is going to end on 21 October"

Bloody typical, just my luck! I'm supposed to be flyimg to Prague on Sunday 23rd October. Most inconvenient if the world ends two days before. Grr!



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So what happens now, FIFA is rotten to the core, ....


Andrew Jennings has been saying that for years. Unfortunately, it is only after England, Australia and the USA fail in their bids to host the World Cup that the English-speaking world has followed suit.


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... Sepp Blatter himself needs to go as well, he said he knew brown envelopes were doing the rounds, but he apparantly did not know they had changed hands, he should be booted for that alone, didnt John Higgins get suspended for a similar reason in that he knew money was changing hands and was himself offered cash which he turned down.

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There is other evidence of Blatter himself being corupt, especially in his earlier years. He is after all, a Joao Havelange protege, who was even more corrupt. What Blatter has done over the years is remove anyone who might threaten his position, and replaced them with his cronies.

The FIFA establishment will sweep any allegations against Blatter under the carpet and the Swiss authorities don't want to upset the FIFA establishment.


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So where does World Football go from here, I think FIFA should be shut down, scrapped and reformed with a different regime, I have noticed sections of the press saying England should pull out of FIFA for moral reasons, but who are we to preach to anybody, our own FA are not exactly squeaky clean themselves.

Going on the pull out of FIFA scenario, how can that be achieved, to be effective I would imagine we would need a few of the top 10 int'l teams to follow, along with major sponsors, I cannot think of many top teams who like us enough to put there int'l status on the line.

Would a massive vote of no confidence be enough to sort it all out.


Very few domestic football associations are in a position to stand up to the FIFA machinery. Apart from England and Scotland, perhaps Australia. And maybe Mali. Wink


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Prince William has backed the Football Association and Scottish Football Association stance that a fair election cannot take place following allegations of corruption.

Blatter is the only candidate as his rival Mohammed bin Hammam is suspended.

But the FA and SFA have struggled to find support for their proposals.

Other associations from the United Kingdom, including the Football Association of Wales and Irish Football Association, appear unwilling to back their neighbours.

In order to suspend the elections on Wednesday, about 150 of the 208 nations must vote in support of the move, a scenario that FA chairman David Bernstein admitted was unlikely.

But despite already having decided to abstain from the voting process, Bernstein said the FA was duty bound to make a stance.


The powerful countries dominate under the present structure, so they have no incentive to challenge the FIFA establishment. The smaller nations depend on the goodwill of Blatter and his cronies for whatever benefits they get from the system. The system of patronage is very powerful.


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.... Who polices FIFA, I know Blatter is the head honcho, does he answer to himself or is there some authority above, can the ethics comm. overrule the blatter and the exec comm.



See above - "The FIFA establishment will sweep any allegations against Blatter under the carpet and the Swiss authorities don't want to upset the FIFA establishment". FIFA is established in Switzerland and is governed by Swiss law.


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What would we need to do under a new regime to clean things up, at the end of the day, we need an international ethics team independent of FIFA.

While I was on with that, I think the continental bodies should be scrapped along with FIFA and start from scratch, using UEFA as an example to start with, have say a 15 person exec comm with 8 places gained by election with the other 7 being co-opted, with that management answering to a wider group, with FA Chiefs and Fans, say 50 members, set the quorum at either 50+1 or at least 55% of the vote to push things forward

Do they same with FIFA, but also setup an independent organisation along the lines Independent Police Complaints Commission, made up of independent people like DPP's, Sports Ministers, people with the legal experience, at least one fan if possible.



As a private organisation established under Swiss law, FIFA is only answerable to its members (each country's domestic FA) and Swiss law. By having a rule that governments cannot interfere with the running of its members, Blatter is able to ensure that his cronies are in power in the vast majority of FIFA's members, so very few of them will vote against him.

Cronies such as Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer have kept CONCACAF in line for a long time. The falling out between Warner and Blazer could be the first major crack - or it might not.

Platini keeps UEFA largely in line. Africa and South America are easily bought. As matters stand, Asia is the only continent that might challenge Blatter, which is why he moved to replace South Korean Chung Mong-joon with Prince Ali bin Al Hussein of Jordan early this year. Bin Hammam dared to stand against Blatter, but has been destroyed by the FIFA machinery.

Damian Collins, Conservative MP for Folkestone & Hyde, is pushing for ChangeFIFA:


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From Damian Collins MP and ChangeFIFA Directors:

We have been working with Damian Collins MP to set an agenda for FIFA reform which we have included below. We are asking members of parliaments and national assemblies to sign up to this agenda to demonstrate the growing concern about the leadership of FIFA. We will shortly be publishing the names of the first people who have signed up. If you would like to add your name in support please email Damian on [email protected]


They'll need a lot of weight behind them to shift FIFA.


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.... I understand this can be a touchy subject at times and every man and his dog will have an opinion on this.

What do others think


As I said on Monday:


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I hope not, but the more likely outcome:

(1) Blatter will be re-elected unopposed.
(2) Allegations against Blatter and his cronies will be swept under the carpet.
(3) Those who dare challenge Blatter will be destroyed, at least in the football world.
(4) Platini will continue in Blatter's footsteps in four years' time.
(5) Nothing will change.

Platini describes corruption as "small problems". Blatter describes it as "some difficulties", but not a crisis.

Anyone who thinks Platini is the solution is fooling themselves. Platini supports Blatter, knowing he will succeed Blatter. He may not be as corrupt as Blatter, but he's not going to fundamentally change the system that brings him to power.

On the other hand, on 14 July 2008, I said:


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Ok, it might not be that soon, but if it does happen (assuming the world survives 2012 Smile), it's not going to happen by challenging the FIFA establishment. The factors that might lead to a split will be the usual - money and power:

(1) The club v country debate is one about money - clubs pay players, countries use their services with minimal recompense, insufficient when top players are injured on international duty.
(2) The extent to which the wealth of football is concentrated in Europe, and the efforts of European clubs and leagues to develop markets outside of Europe.
(3) The distribution of wealth in European football, and how it is controlled - you have UEFA, ECA, EPFL, and the most powerful clubs and their owners.

For Platini, the move from UEFA to FIFA might be a logical step, as Europe becomes the real battleground - there is greater security of tenure as FIFA President than there is as UEFA President.



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MistaFozzII
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Well, I look at like this, if we walked from FIFA, we can start a new rivalries with the footballing powerhouses of Jersey, Guernsey, The Shetlands, Turkish Cyprus, thrown in Gibraltar and The Falkland Islands and there we have new rivalries



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Some good and some very funny comments on the BBC website about today's shennanigans; my favourite so far is :
"I think England should follow Scotland's lead and never play in the World Cup again" Sly

One of the comments I concur with :

"seems to me more like evidence of how out of touch and sync english football is with the rest of the world. embarassing.
it is hypocrisy to pretend england hate corruption more than anyone else. this is about a selfish grievance and the level of denial expressed in this wounded self righteousness is truly shocking.many people seem to have convinced themselves of their shrill rhetoric.no one is listening"

The FA, no paragons of virtue themselves, have played this really badly - ill-timed and no sign of a candidate of their own to champion when they knew for years when this election was due to happen.

And one other comment to consider :

"The "Home Nations" control 50% of the votes on changing the laws of the game; the rest of the world wonders who exactly are the "Home Nations"? Cue demands for a British national team or withdrawal/banning from UEFA/FIFA tournaments for all British club and national sides."

All good fun, and front-page news only in Britain. Why is that ?


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Some good and some very funny comments on the BBC website about today's shennanigans; my favourite so far is :
"I think England should follow Scotland's lead and never play in the World Cup again" Sly

One of the comments I concur with :

"seems to me more like evidence of how out of touch and sync english football is with the rest of the world. embarassing.
it is hypocrisy to pretend england hate corruption more than anyone else. this is about a selfish grievance and the level of denial expressed in this wounded self righteousness is truly shocking.many people seem to have convinced themselves of their shrill rhetoric.no one is listening"

The FA, no paragons of virtue themselves, have played this really badly - ill-timed and no sign of a candidate of their own to champion when they knew for years when this election was due to happen.

And one other comment to consider :

"The "Home Nations" control 50% of the votes on changing the laws of the game; the rest of the world wonders who exactly are the "Home Nations"? Cue demands for a British national team or withdrawal/banning from UEFA/FIFA tournaments for all British club and national sides."

All good fun, and front-page news only in Britain. Why is that ?


So. Everything OK at FIFA then in your opinion ?


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Breaking news is that Blatter has been re-elected.

I had wondered why there were people dancing in the street as I drove home from work!


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From Twitter:

"Your Sky Sports subscription is doing as much harm to football as Blatter, in my humble ..."

"You hate FIFA so bad you boycotted the last World Cup innit. Me too. Didn't watch a minute."

"Serious Question: How many of you are willing to back up your big talk and boycott World Cup Brazil 2014 in protest against FIFA?"

"I think morals are long gone, it's now about not consuming the product so the manufacturer isforced to change the product"

etc. You get the picture.

The writer may even be a member of this forum....

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So. Everything OK at FIFA then in your opinion ?



I think the FA have little credibility and no scruples themselves; when the game in this country sorts itself out, then by all means go and lecture the rest of the world in how it should be done.
I could substitute the FAI instead of the FA but you get the picture.

In any event, it will all be forgotten about when The Greatest League In The World kicks-off again in August so chill out and smile at the duplicity of EVERYONE involved.


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So. Everything OK at FIFA then in your opinion ?



I think the FA have little credibility and no scruples themselves; when the game in this country sorts itself out, then by all means go and lecture the rest of the world in how it should be done.
I could substitute the FAI instead of the FA but you get the picture.

In any event, it will all be forgotten about when The Greatest League In The World kicks-off again in August so chill out and smile at the duplicity of EVERYONE involved.


But the NFL starts in September !! (Hopefully)


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I'm not taking it seriously unless it's written in green crayon. Tongue I use nothing else.


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The FA are incompetent, I would not trust them to look after a dog, never mind football, and couldnt arrange a piss up in a brewery...Chuck Blazer pretty much questioned the FA asking why did they not sort this rebellion months ago



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What exactly is corruption and what proof is ther ?
The only thing I know about is that the English FA have to keep arranging games against Jamaica and sponsoring football development in the Caribbean in return for Jack Warners votes and support .Is that corruption or is it just an agreeable deal to secure a vote ?
I also think that the rest of the world view the English as being arrogant especially when it comes to calling themselves the FA instead of the English FA similar to what has been mentioned on other threads about the Premiership being called the English Premiership .


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Ditto the game in Thailand...cancelled AFTER we lost the World Cup bid, & never got the Thailand vote.



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What exactly is corruption and what proof is ther ?
The only thing I know about is that the English FA have to keep arranging games against Jamaica and sponsoring football development in the Caribbean in return for Jack Warners votes and support .Is that corruption or is it just an agreeable deal to secure a vote ?
I also think that the rest of the world view the English as being arrogant especially when it comes to calling themselves the FA instead of the English FA similar to what has been mentioned on other threads about the Premiership being called the English Premiership .


Nothing new there then, and your right, The FA and English Football is arrogant, we did not get the 2018 World Cup, so we cry foul, I do believe there was dodgy deals going on and enough brown envelopes getting passed about, I honestly cannot see how Qatar can be awarded a World Cup without buying it pretty much, while i am sure Qatar is a decent enough place, it is in the middle of probably the most hostile place in the World today, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan are not far away, Bahrain is not far away, I know politics should never come into football, but there is whole Israeli problem, Qatar have said should Israel qualify they will be welcome, the Government might say that, but what does Qataris think about it, if both Israel and the USA qualified, then security wise, it could be a night, I mean there is not many people who like both those countries, and I bet that would be high on a terrorists to do list.

As for Jack Warner, he is as bent as a nine bob note, didn't he get caught touting tickets a few years ago, possibly to do with the 2006 World Cup, the man is an idiot if you ask me, now as for bribes and stuff, there is nothing wrong with dishing out payments, as long as it is publically declared and taxed appropriately, but it seems FIFA members are passing it about like monopoly money, all done on the down-low




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I had wondered why there were people dancing in the street as I drove home from work!


I saw a picture of the Ballot paper in the paper this morning, it was marked First Ballot with only Blatters name on it. As if it were going to a 2nd Ballot Angelic



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high on a terrorists to do list.


Wonder how many ticks they manage in a season? Tongue

In all seriousness though, something is clearly wrong at FIFA - I mean, a stand-alone election? Was there even a point in that?
Back to the English FA (or the FA as it probably was the first one establishedAngelic) I do believe they are arrogant, and arrange all these friendlies to secure votes, I wish they wouldn't pander to things like that - just make your bid and hold your head high that you have done everything above board.

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Despite at least one major historical innaccuracy, this blog help puts the situation into context

http://pitchinvasion.net/...he-good-of-the-game/

For the record, Pinnochet only came to power in 1973, and Rous was replaced by Havelange in 1974



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I had wondered why there were people dancing in the street as I drove home from work!


I saw a picture of the Ballot paper in the paper this morning, it was marked First Ballot with only Blatters name on it. As if it were going to a 2nd Ballot Angelic



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2nd. ...er...
3rd. There wasn't anyone else

Unless he was going to run off against the Invisible Man, there really was no need for a ballot paper




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I saw a picture of the Ballot paper in the paper this morning, it was marked First Ballot with only Blatters name on it.

Difficult choice then ?



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high on a terrorists to do list.


Wonder how many ticks they manage in a season? Tongue

In all seriousness though, something is clearly wrong at FIFA - I mean, a stand-alone election? Was there even a point in that?
Back to the English FA (or the FA as it probably was the first one establishedAngelic) I do believe they are arrogant, and arrange all these friendlies to secure votes, I wish they wouldn't pander to things like that - just make your bid and hold your head high that you have done everything above board.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next World Cups, after these, in India and China - well, they're the ones with the money aren't they?



Did our bid not come scrutiny at some point for handing gifts to people, giving handbags to FIFA Officials Wives, or was that the 2012 bid team, didn't Jack Warner promise his and the CONCACAF vote on the back of an FA promise to play a friendly in Trinidad, that man stoops lower than a rattlesnakes arse, I wouldn't ever trust anything he said, as Roy Keane once said 'the man's a clown', and lets be honest, we were made to look like fools in front of the world, and I bet FIFA enjoyed watching us get knocked down a peg or two, I don't think I will ever get to see a World Cup in England in my lifetime even though I am only 29 and have years to live

As for India and China, I bet one of them gets it long before we do, if South Africa can host it, then surely it is only a matter of time before before the likes of China and India get there hands on the tournament, I'm now




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Did our bid not come scrutiny at some point for handing gifts to people, giving handbags to FIFA Officials Wives,



Wrong type of Handbag, maybe the contents were incorrect ?


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Apparantly the vote was 186-0 with 17 Abstentions, people like Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and other despotic dictators would not even get 100% of the vote, just goes to show what FIFA is turning into, an untrained chimpanzee could run FIFA better than old Sepptic



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And they shouldn't get it because ?


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Apparantly the vote was 186-0 with 17 Abstentions, people like Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and other despotic dictators would not even get 100% of the vote, just goes to show what FIFA is turning into, an untrained chimpanzee could run FIFA better than old Sepptic



It's like something out of North Korea!

As for the World Cup wouldn't it be simpler for whoever wins it then hosts the next one?


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What exactly is corruption and what proof is ther ?
The only thing I know about is that the English FA have to keep arranging games against Jamaica and sponsoring football development in the Caribbean in return for Jack Warners votes and support .Is that corruption or is it just an agreeable deal to secure a vote ?
I also think that the rest of the world view the English as being arrogant especially when it comes to calling themselves the FA instead of the English FA similar to what has been mentioned on other threads about the Premiership being called the English Premiership .


Buying votes is corruption, whether the payment is in cash or benefits in kind.

Unfortunately, that is the norm within FIFA, under Havelange and Blatter. Don't expect anything to change under Platini.



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It's like something out of North Korea!

As for the World Cup wouldn't it be simpler for whoever wins it then hosts the next one?


That would propogate the problem by meaning only the 'bigger' countries would ever have any hope of it. I don't think the voting is the problem, it's the clandestine nature of it.

Personally I think it should move around the continents on a rotating basis with smaller nations sharing the hosting where necessary. Agreed, the OFC would need looking at but I'm sure that could be figured out somehow. I see no reason at all that Europe gets it back every 2nd tournament. The beauty of football as a world sport is that it is spread so far and wide that it reflects societies all over the world. Most other sports are restricted to small pockets of the world, not least because the governing bodies do so little to spread their sport that anyone outside the major players may as well go home and watch telly. The ICC deciding the next World Cup will only consist of test nations is an example that springs to mind.


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As for India and China, I bet one of them gets it long before we do, if South Africa can host it, then surely it is only a matter of time before before the likes of China and India get there hands on the tournament, I'm now



And they shouldn't get it because ?

No reason why China shouldn't get the World Cup , apart from possibly their human rights record.
India however doesn't have any interest in football outside Calcutta and Goa. They have several large cricket grounds, but would these be suitable for football?
I doubt whether they would ever apply anyway, as the Indian FA is probably an impoverished organisation and the Indian government would be much more interested in investing in the staging of cricket and hockey world cup events.
India would however still be a much better choice than Qatar, especially as it has much more to offer the tourist (apart from food poisoning!).



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My thoughts exactly jrev, for me China would have to clean up there human rights mess and do a deal of some kind regarding Tibet, The Chinese Government are no better than North Korea.

As for India, look at the mess of the commomwealth games last year



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With all due respect to other countries aren't the finals better held in what might be called top footballing nations?

Apparently many Yanks didn't even know that the 1994 finals were on in their back yard and a World Cup is always better with the host nation in the latter stages.


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Simple maybe, but rather boring and would mean that England had even less chance of hosting than under the current system Crazy


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With all due respect to other countries aren't the finals better held in what might be called top footballing nations?

You really are against England getting the opportunity to host aren't you ?


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Yes I realise that this 'winner hosts the next one' idea will all but destroy any chance of another finals in England but I think most people have given up all hope of that anyway with Blatter at the helm, in fact with recent events at FIFA and Capello still manager there seems to be a total sense of apathy towards the forthcoming Euro 2012 qualifier against Switzerland.


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Apparently many Yanks didn't even know that the 1994 finals were on in their back yard and a World Cup is always better with the host nation in the latter stages.


True, the sport of soccer is not as popular in the U.S. as it is in other parts of the world, but FIFA was impressed with the attendance during the 1984 Olympic tournament that it decided to take a chance on having it hosted by the U.S. The tournament itself was pretty good, although the Final between Brazil and Italy was horrendous! Despite only 24 teams qualifying in 1994, the World Cup in the USA remains as the highest attended World Cup of all-time. I think the smallest stadium used for the tournament was 60,000, with the Rose Bowl selling out for the Final at around 100,000. The matches that stood out for me that year were the ones between Belgium and the Netherlands, Bulgaria against Germany, and USA vs. Colombia. I still can't get over that Stoichkov blast that eliminated Germany at the Meadowlands in suburban New York.


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Breaking news is that Blatter has been re-elected.

I had wondered why there were people dancing in the street as I drove home from work!


A summary of the voting:

* The FA’s move at the Fifa Congress on Wednesday was defeated by 172 votes to 17. The Scottish FA was the only association to publicly back the FA. (It now appears that Vietnam voted for the FA motion by mistake - so it should have been 173 votes to 16).
* Blatter was re-elected after receiving 186 of the 203 votes cast to remain in charge until 2015.

One thing to come out of all of this:


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Fifa president Sepp Blatter has announced that World Cup host countries will in future be chosen by a vote of all the 208 member associations.

Until now, Fifa’s 24-man executive committee has made the choice.

But the controversy surrounding the decision to award Russia the 2018 tournament and Qatar the 2022 event has prompted a change.

“I want to give more power to the national associations,” said Blatter, who was re-elected on Wednesday.


More scope for corruption then. Sly

FIFA’s operations remain as opaque as ever.

I wouldn't worry too much about Blatter seeking revenge against the English. It's his final term, so he'll be more interested in legacy issues, such as unveiling statues of himself in Haiti, Benin, Congo and Cyprus. Wink

Blatter won't renege on his promise not to force the Home Nations to have single representation in FIFA - after all, it would affect Wales and Northern Ireland more than England, and they supported him through the recent episodes.

Also, going after the English might force the English to try to lead a breakaway, which risks further fractures in the fragile peace that will be cobbled together following the Congress.

It's his heir apparent, Michel Platini that the English should be worried about. Platini has the traditional French disdain for the English, and is resentful of the money in the Premier League. He'll have at least 16 years to work on it.



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It's like something out of North Korea!

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The comparison with Kim Jong-Il and North Korea has been around for some time. Personally, I prefer the Mafia analogy. The FIFA establishment love referring to themselves as a "family", and with a looser hierarchy and relationships, it has more in common with the Mafia than a totalitarian state.


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The most brutal attack came from the long standing Fifa vice president for Argentina, Julio Grondona. He used his address as head of Fifa's finance committee to plead with the English to leave the Fifa family alone and criticised Bernstein for his intervention.

He added: "We always have attacks - mostly with lies and with the support of journalism which is more busy lying than telling the truth."


Julio Grondona, Blatter's No. 2, has served the role of pit bull.


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Julio Grondona, president of the Argentina Football Association and senior Fifa vice-president, launched a stinging attack on the FA this week, describing the English as "pirates" having previously told the 2018 bid team to return the Falkland Islands if they wanted his vote.


He is more infamous for the following:


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‘I do not believe a Jew can ever be a referee at that level (Argentine Premier League) because it’s hard work and, you know, Jews don’t like hard work.’

FIFA senior vice-president and chair of Finance Committee, Julio Grondona, 5 July 2003. Buenos Aires



In yesterday's Telegraph:

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Maradona’s lawyers say they will launch a legal action for “slander, defamation and discrimination", and accused Grondona of corruption.

The spat follows Maradona’s allegation that the Argentina team was offered stimulants - “speedy coffee” - before a crucial 1993 World Cup qualifier against Australia, and Grondona removed doping controls from the games to prevent positive tests.

Argentina won the two-legged play-off, but at the 1994 World Cup Maradona failed a drugs test.


25 years after the 'Hand of God', Maradona could turn round and help England get rid of its nemesis within FIFA.

Blatter has already shown he is prepared to sacrifice one crony within FIFA, Jack Warner, who was proving an embarassment. To further help paper over the cracks in the FIFA "family", and prevent them from breaking out into fractures, he might have to be prepared to sacrifice another who is proving too embarassing.



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It's like something out of North Korea!

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The comparison with Kim Jong-Il and North Korea has been around for some time. Personally, I prefer the Mafia analogy. The FIFA establishment love referring to themselves as a "family", and with a looser hierarchy and relationships, it has more in common with the Mafia than a totalitarian state.


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The most brutal attack came from the long standing Fifa vice president for Argentina, Julio Grondona. He used his address as head of Fifa's finance committee to plead with the English to leave the Fifa family alone and criticised Bernstein for his intervention.

He added: "We always have attacks - mostly with lies and with the support of journalism which is more busy lying than telling the truth."


Julio Grondona, Blatter's No. 2, has served the role of pit bull.


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Julio Grondona, president of the Argentina Football Association and senior Fifa vice-president, launched a stinging attack on the FA this week, describing the English as "pirates" having previously told the 2018 bid team to return the Falkland Islands if they wanted his vote.


He is more infamous for the following:


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‘I do not believe a Jew can ever be a referee at that level (Argentine Premier League) because it’s hard work and, you know, Jews don’t like hard work.’

FIFA senior vice-president and chair of Finance Committee, Julio Grondona, 5 July 2003. Buenos Aires



In yesterday's Telegraph:

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Maradona’s lawyers say they will launch a legal action for “slander, defamation and discrimination", and accused Grondona of corruption.

The spat follows Maradona’s allegation that the Argentina team was offered stimulants - “speedy coffee” - before a crucial 1993 World Cup qualifier against Australia, and Grondona removed doping controls from the games to prevent positive tests.

Argentina won the two-legged play-off, but at the 1994 World Cup Maradona failed a drugs test.


25 years after the 'Hand of God', Maradona could turn round and help England get rid of its nemesis within FIFA.

Blatter has already shown he is prepared to sacrifice one crony within FIFA, Jack Warner, who was proving an embarassment. To further help paper over the cracks in the FIFA "family", and prevent them from breaking out into fractures, he might have to be prepared to sacrifice another who is proving too embarassing.


Maradona helping England, there is a group of words I never thought I would see in the same sentence



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All these shenanighans have now definitively meant that I will never, ever, ever, see a World Cup in England again in my lifetime.
For the whippersnappers among you, go for 2066, when we might have a chance again.

In case you hadn't noticed from the recent FIFA love-in, there is nothing wrong with FIFA apart from three main culprits:

(1) the English media, peddling poisonous lies against the FIFA family.
(2) the English FA, who repeat and amplify the lies peddled by the former
(3) the fact that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are considered as separate countries, and each get a vote on the International Board (total 8).

Apart from that, everything is hunky-dory. Hell never mind 2066 - go for 2166. Never mind trying to leave, we'll probably get expelled in the meantime.

Trouble is, in our defence I can only offer:

(1) the English media: the News of the Screws
(2) the FA: a bunch of braying half-witted ya's
(3) the sad thing is, that it's only because of this that FIFA can claim to have more members than the IOC. Once they get Tuvalu, Nauru and the Federated States of Micronesia on board, then the separate British Associations are unnecessary. And please remember, the English are the spawn of the devil, the main cause for any issues within FIFA, and Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish are tarred with the same brush.

I'm amazed we're still allowed to play international football.


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I don't have a problem with not seeing a World Cup in England - we've already had one. Of around 200 FIFA members I think there are a fair few who should get their go before anyone who's already had it and, as I've said in other posts, I think smaller nations should be allowed to host in clusters rather than it only being open to big nations who can afford to host it on their own or in pairs.

And as for the English being the spawn of the devil, FIFA use that to their advantage but Stanley Rous did his bit to make that true for a lot of the world by keeping such a closed shop before Havelange took over. If he'd pushed football's boundaries a bit more Havelange and Blatter wouldn't be in a position to paint themselves as overturning the English imperial outlook on football.

 
 


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