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mip
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May 21, 2012, 2:23 PM

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More chaos in Germany!

Fortuna drawing 2-2 with Hertha on the night and hence going up and it appears there was a pitch invasion as I presume the home fans thought the final whistle had gone but it hadn't! It finished 30 minutes later after order was restored and the final 90 seconds were played.

Fortuna Duesseldorf are in the top division for the 1st time in 15 years.

Not quite there yet as Hertha have submitted a protest requiring a new game.

A decision will be made on Friday afternoon.

The DFB have rejected Hertha's protest so Fortuna are now ready for the Bundesliga.

The charges against players from both sides will be considered by a different DFB committee. According to Kicker, the police is also investigating the behaviour of one Hertha player.


Mister TwoU
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To a slightly different sub-topic now.

I'd like to keep an eye on the German amateur play-offs for entry into the Regionalligas and a few lower tiers in English.

I'd like teams, dates, what's being played for by each team in each match and so-on if possible.

Anyone got an idea?



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burrow
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May 28, 2012, 2:04 PM

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I have read on a Bundesliga site somewhere that they are introducing a Pyramid System based on our system over here.
There will be the usual three top leagues of Bundesliga 1,2 & 3 but then there is going to be a new feeder system in promotion below that.
It can be seen in greater detail on wikipedia here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...otball_league_system



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There's always been a pyramid in Germany, it's just being altered at level 4 which will have some knock on effects below. They certainly won't based it on our system as it is more regionalised in Germany.



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mip
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The charges against players from both sides will be considered by a different DFB committee. According to Kicker, the police is also investigating the behaviour of one Hertha player.

Next chapter in the Hertha v Fortuna play off game series.

Hertha's captain Kobiashvili has been suspended for one year for hitting the referee after the game and keeper Thomas Kraft (five games) and André Mijatovic (four games) were also handed suspensions. Andreas Lambertz from Fortuna was suspended for two games.

Hertha will appeal the suspensions.


Mister TwoU
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Any play-off news &/or restructuring information posted anywhere on the net in English yet?



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leohoenig
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Jun 1, 2012, 10:00 AM

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There is quite a lot of info on Wikipedia, and it looks as if it is generally accurate



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Mister TwoU
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There is quite a lot of info on Wikipedia, and it looks as if it is generally accurate
Thanks Leo, I've done that, but it stops &/or becomes scrappy just at the point that I start getting interested, which is at the Regionalliga and lower levels.

I'd like to find a page carrying all the what/if/buts for all the State Leagues, what status hangs on which play-off result, how far down each State's pyramid the knock-ons delve and so on and so forth.

I'm a bit of a 'German Leagues nut', sadly without command of that language. lolol.



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leohoenig
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Wiki gives a potential make up of Regionalliga, but does not go lower down.
Oberliga and lower information is found only on German web sites, the local FA sites being best



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leohoenig
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Jun 11, 2012, 9:31 PM

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Germany Pyramid for 2012/13.

Bundesliga. 18 teams.
Germany has three direct Champions League places, one play off Champions League place, two Europa League places by League position and one for the winner of the DFB Pokal.
Bottom two teams releagted, Team 16 in a play off against 3rd place of 2. Bundesliga (2 legs)

2. Bundesliga. 18 teams.
Two teams promoted, 3rd place in play off against 16th in Bundesliga (2 legs)
Two teams relegated, 16th place in play off against 3rd place of 3. Liga (2 legs)

3. Liga. 20 teams, including two reserves teams
Two teams promoted, 3rd place in play off against 16th in 2. Bundesliga (2 legs).
Reserve teams cannot be promoted, and AFAIK, promotion/play off can drop to the next team(s) down
Three teams relegated.

Regionalliga. 5 regions. The champions of each region, and the second place in the SudWest region will enter three two legged play off games, for the three placesin the 3. Liga
In all of the Regionalliga, the relegation number given is a minimum, I think that two more can be relegated, depending on number of teams received from above. The NordOst appears to be an exception, probably due to its original small numbers, with the relegation numbers fixed.

Nord. Minimum 2 relegation places.
18 teams, five of which are reserves
Lander - Bremen, Hamburg, Niedersachsen and Schleswig-Holstein - population 13.88 million

NordOst. 2 relegation place
16 teams, incuding three reserves
All of the old East Germany and Berlin, 6 Lander - Mecklenburg-Verpommern, Brandenburg, Berlin, Sachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt and Thüringenliga. Population 16.46 million

West. Minimum of 6 relegation places.
20 teams, including 7 reserves
Mittelrhein, Niederrhein and Westfalen - population 17.93 million

SudWest. Minimum of 4 relegation places
19 teams, including 6 reserves
Rheinland, Rheinland-Pfalz, Saarland, Hessen, Baden-Württemberg. Population 21.88 million

Bayern. Minimum of 3 relegation places. Two teams will be involved in promotion/relegation play offs
20 teams, including 5 reserves
Bayern. Population 12.52 million.

I am going to post the next level down as another post



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mip
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Jun 11, 2012, 10:00 PM

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Excellent summary Leo.

Just to add a few details regarding reserve/U23 sides. A maximum of four of those are allowed in the 3rd Bundesliga and only reserve sides of 1st and 2nd Bundesliga teams are allowed in the Regionalliga.

I believe the optimum size of each Regionalliga is 18 teams which should be reached for the 2013/14 season.


leohoenig
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Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 PM

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German Fifth Level and other information.

Region Nord
Schleswig-Holstein Liga. 18 teams
The champions go into a play off round.
Four teams can be relegated.
The next level down is Verbandsliga, which has four groups.

Hamburg Liga. 18 teams
Again the champions enter the play off round, while four teams go down.
The next level down is Landesliga, in two groups.

Bremen Liga 16 teams
Again the champions enter the play off round, only two teams go down.
The next level down is Landesliga, in a single group

Niedersachsen Liga. 16 teams
The champions are automatically promoted, with the runners up into the play off round. Four teams go down
There are four groups in the Landesliga, named after three main towns, Hannover, Braunschweig and Luneburg, plus the Weser-Ems region

Two teams will be promoted from the play off round, so a total of 3 go up

Region NordOst
There are Two Oberliga, still named Oberliga NordOst, Staffel Nord and Staffel Sud.
Both have 16 teams, promotion and relegation is not yet confirmed, but one expects one promotion and three relegations from each group

The six leagues at the next level are either Verbandsliga or Landesliga!

Region West
There are three Oberliga below this, Mittelrhein (16 teams), Niederrhein (20 teams) and Westfalen (18 teams)
The champions of Mittelrhein and Niederrhein, and the top two in Westfalen will be promoted.

Region SudWest
Again three Oberliga, Baden-Württemberg, Sudwest and Hessen. Each has 18 teams and will promote one.
Baden-Württemberg has three Verbandsliga, Baden, Sudbaden and Württemberg - they are likely to promote one each, with a play off for one place bwteeen the 3 second placed teams
Hessen had three Verbandsliga, Hessen Nord, Hessen Mitte and Hessen Sud
SudWest has three lower leagues, Saarlandliga, Rheinlandliga and Verbandsliga SudWest
AFAIK, champions of all these leagues get promoted, and no play offs.

This means that SudWest has three different meanings, Regionalliga SudWest which includes Baden-Württemberg and Hessen, Oberliga SudWest which includes Rheinland and Saarland, and Verbandsliga Sudwest, which is basically Rheinland-Pfalz.

Region Bayern
The Oberliga Bayern, below Regionliga Bayern, will be split into Staffel Nord and Staffel Sud
Each has 18 teams, one direct promotion place, and one play off place. There are five groups at Landesliga below this

That means there will be 14 divisions at Level 5 next season. I have not got confirmation of the breakdown of level 6 in the West Region, but if each level 5 division has two at level 6, then total will be 37 divisions at level 6

So the pyramid in Germany will be 1-1-1-5-14-37... next season



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rainjar
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May 17, 2013, 1:24 AM

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With one round of matches to go, some interesting relegation battles in the top 3 divisions.

Most interesting of all is in 3. Liga. Bottom-placed Alemannia Aachen are already down, but 4 teams are fighting to avoid the remaining two relegation spots.

If third from bottom Darmstadt win at home against Stuttgart Kickers, they climb above their opponents and are safe from relegation, unless both Borussia Dortmund II win, and SV Babelserg win by a margin 5 goals or more better than Darmstadt's win.

Borussia Dortmund II, a point above Darmstadt, are away to Stuttgart II, who have nothing left to play for. If Stuttgart II win, Borussia Dortmund II cannot climb above Stuttgart Kickers. Same if they draw, unless Kickers lose by more than 11 goals.

SV Babelsberg, second from bottom but level on points with Darmstadt, are away to Preußen Münster, who need a win to have any chance of a play-off place.

More straightforward in the Bundesliga and the 2. Bundesliga.

Augsburg are in the relegation play-off spot in the Bundesliga, behind Fortuna Düsseldorf on goal difference (-20 to -15). Augsburg are at home to already relegated Greuther Fürth, while Fortuna Düsseldorf are away at Hannover. If both Augsburg and Düsseldorf, 1899 Hoffenheim can climb one point above both of them, if they win their last game away at Champions League finalists Borussia Dortmund, who are already guaranteed second place.

In 2. Bundesliga, an even more straightforward battle beween two former East German clubs, Dynamo Dresden and Erzgebirge Aue, to avoid the relegation play-off spot. Dynamo are level on points with Erzgebirge Aue, but are behind on goal difference (-16 to -8). They both face clubs already relegated - Dynamo are home to bottom-placed Jahn Regensburg while Aue are away to second from bottom SV Sandhausen.

The relegation situation may be affected by non-renewal of licences due to certain clubs failing to meet financial requirements.



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Most interesting of all is in 3. Liga. Bottom-placed Alemannia Aachen are already down, but 4 teams are fighting to avoid the remaining two relegation spots.

If third from bottom Darmstadt win at home against Stuttgart Kickers, they climb above their opponents and are safe from relegation, unless both Borussia Dortmund II win, and SV Babelserg win by a margin 5 goals or more better than Darmstadt's win.

Borussia Dortmund II, a point above Darmstadt, are away to Stuttgart II, who have nothing left to play for. If Stuttgart II win, Borussia Dortmund II cannot climb above Stuttgart Kickers. Same if they draw, unless Kickers lose by more than 11 goals.

SV Babelsberg, second from bottom but level on points with Darmstadt, are away to Preußen Münster, who need a win to have any chance of a play-off place.

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Borussia Dortmund II win, Darmstadt draw, SV Babelsberg lose - Darmstadt and Babelsberg are down.

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Augsburg are in the relegation play-off spot in the Bundesliga, behind Fortuna Düsseldorf on goal difference (-20 to -15). Augsburg are at home to already relegated Greuther Fürth, while Fortuna Düsseldorf are away at Hannover. If both Augsburg and Düsseldorf, 1899 Hoffenheim can climb one point above both of them, if they win their last game away at Champions League finalists Borussia Dortmund, who are already guaranteed second place.

....
Augsburg win, Fortuna lose and Hoffenheim win - Augsburg are safe, Fortuna are down, and Hoffenheim are in a relegation play-off.



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Hoffenheim will play Kaiserslautern over 2 legs.

Only 1 thing to be decided today in Bundesliga 2, whether Dynamo Dresden or Erzgebirge Aue go into the play off for Bundesliga 2 against Osnabrück (3rd place in 3.Liga)



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mip
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Hoffenheim will play Kaiserslautern over 2 legs.

An interesting game, the tradition of Kaiserslautern against the upstarts of Hoffenheim propelled to the top by Dietmar Hopp's SAP millions.


KnowYourMarket
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Dynamo Dresden will play Osnabrück, could be fun!



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kirby knitters
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I remember Dynamo coming from nowhere 2 years ago to clinch the play-off place whilst in the 3rd tier,could be wrong(usually am)but didnt they face Osnabruck.to get promotion?



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mip
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I remember Dynamo coming from nowhere 2 years ago to clinch the play-off place whilst in the 3rd tier,could be wrong(usually am)but didnt they face Osnabruck.to get promotion?

Spot on http://www.kicker.de/...egation.html?seite=2.


kirby knitters
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Crazy...they were knocking out t-shirts in the clubshop saying '3 liga here we stay'and 4 weeks later they went up...Sly



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