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BigLesWade
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This is a new club which has received a bit of publicity locally. Apparently for the princely sum of 50 you can become a member and pick the team (a bit pricier than AFC Hull). They intend to apply to join Spartan South Midlands Div. 2 and groundshare at Biggleswade Town.

They have a website at www.southillalexanderfc.com.

Have a look and draw your own conclusions.


Mr. T
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Old news....http://www.nlpl.co.uk/...orum.cgi?post=168918


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I would like to say 'good luck to them'....but dear oh dear! I think they'll do well to survive a year or two.

If I had a bullseye to spare, which I haven't anyway, I'd be adding a few bob more & jumping on Eurostar for a game or two over the Channel rather than supporting this venture I'm afraid.

Out of interest, if anyone is signing up to this club, I'd be interested to know why.Not to shoot you down, but curiousity.



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BigLesWade
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Missed this first time around Mr T.

Can see why we need another team in Biggleswade after all this vast metropolis only has two Senior clubs.


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And one might be inclined to ask why a town so small already has two clubs of similar stature and playing in the same league.


(This post was edited by Mr. T on May 8, 2009, 8:43 PM)


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The thought had crossed my mind. This Myfc concept seems good on paper but the choice of either Gravesend/Ebbsfleet on one hand and Ice Cold in Alex don't really resonate with me. Choosing an existing Conference side has hardly proved to be a success, and now this new venture has gone full circle and started a club from scratch, in an area with two senior clubs, who hardly set the world alight attendance-wise.
Personally, I would look at a Step Five side, who were financially sound, owned their freehold and had the potential to go forwards. I wish them luck, but it will surely end in tears and Rhodes will be the first to either be jetisoned or go of his own volition..



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And one might be inclined to ask why a town so small already has two clubs of similar stature and playing in the same league.



not now they dont!
Biggleswade Town won the league this season WinkWink


Bigg One
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I think they'll do well to survive a year or two.



probably less, if the well known footballing con artist that is associated with them gets his fingers in the till.


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Just had a look at the limited amount you can view on the website without being a member. Am I reading it right? As well as having to pay 25 for a share, you have to pay 25 a year to be able to view all the website?????

They also appear to have started to sell the shares without having a guaranteed place in any league yet - who'd be mad enough to buy them before they do?


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Is there a list of the total current members?



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May 8, 2009, 10:58 PM

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And one might be inclined to ask why a town so small already has two clubs of similar stature and playing in the same league.


Arlesey, Buckingham and Rothwell are even smaller!


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Is there a list of the total current members?


You probably have to fork out 50 to find that out Tongue


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And one might be inclined to ask why a town so small already has two clubs of similar stature and playing in the same league.



IIRC, United were formed about 50 years ago when Town were in the Southern League. It was felt that the standard of the SL was too high to give local players a game, so United formed for that reason.


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I'm pretty sure Biggleswade Town have never played in the Southern League.


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you're right, though they were in the Eastern Counties League, which was a pretty high standard then, and they'd have had to bring players in from outside the area.

That, or I'm talking crap.Wink


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And one might be inclined to ask why a town so small already has two clubs of similar stature and playing in the same league.



IIRC, United were formed about 50 years ago when Town were in the Southern League. It was felt that the standard of the SL was too high to give local players a game, so United formed for that reason.


Well, I think 'The Waders' have been around since 'The Dawn of Football' [founded 1874 (?)] but not sure if, in all that time, they ever got as high as the Southern League - FCHD certainly wouldn't suggest so - but doesn't always go back that far. Maybe our 'Bigg' Lads can fill in the blanks - NLD just has them as being in the 'Biggleswade & District' ##, Bedford & District / Northants league and the Eastern Counties

## Not sure who 'Biggleswade & District' were on FCHD - seem to have played in the FA Cup a lot - first entry 1907-08 - but no league details are given; are they one or other (or both?) of the current clubs in another guise who were permitted to enter the FA Cup?
United first appeared in 1929 and don't seem to have got much above County level until the 60s.

There is a (co-incidental) correlation with what you've said above and football in Buckingham.
Town did reach the heady heights of the Southern Leagues from mid 80s to late 90s and during that time a Buckingham United were formed (and subsequently) disbanded around 95-97.
Meanwhile Athletic have 'bumbled' along happily in the lower reaches of the Hellenic & S.Mids since they joined 'senior' football in the mid-60s.

I'm always intrigued by 'small-ish' towns having multiple clubs - particularly Buckingham, who for a very short time were blessed with three!
It often surprises me to see the two Abingdon's 'flourish' relatively speaking AND there seems to be room for a couple of STEP7 (OSL) clubs in the vicinity too.


BigLesWade
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The Waders never did play in the Southern League (but look likely to in 09/10) but did play in the Eastern Counties.

United developed from a works team and over the years since their formation have climbed the leagues to their current level, so are some posters saying that when they reached a par with Town they should merge or fold? Both clubs have survived at SSML level so what's the problem?


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Southill Alexander have actually applied for the SSML Division 1 rather than Div 2, not sure how successful they will be being a brand new club but they do seem confident of getting in. As for Biggleswade & District, according to the Beds Senior Cup Final programme they are Biggleswade Town.



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..plus the small matter of senior status too..



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Sudbury is another small town that has seem over-endowed with clubs. At one stage I think Town were in the upper reaches of th SL while Wanderers & Town reserves were along Coranrd (part of the Sudbury "conurbation") were all in the ECL. Atheltic and adjacent village of Long Melford were in the Border League.

I don't think all of the player lved locally. Wink


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Hi, saw this thread and thought I'd just post for your information - I'm Company/Club Secretary of Southill Alexander.
We have applied to the SSMFL to play next season and hope to hear next week what the outcome of that will be. However, our club will NOT be a "members pick the team" club - we have a Manager, Steve Foster who will be picking the team, and he's working with Tony Armitage and Alan Penfold on the football side. We have a groundshare agreement already in place with Biggleswade Town FC.
We have launched our website at www.southillalexanderfc.com, and you can view our T&Cs and Must Ask Questions via links on the front page. We are selling shares at 25 a share, maximum of 5 per person. Each shareholder has one vote, no matter how many shares he or she holds. If they wish, Shareholders can purchase Website Memberships which are also 25 - this allows them to access the members' area of the website and get involved on our forum, where owners are making decisions about the new club.
We would love to hear from anyone who is interested in what we are doing - you can contact us on enquiries@southillalexanderfc.com.

Cheers
Sally Fletcher


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Hello, please forgive me for interrupting your thread and forum as a complete newcomer, but I just hoped to put a side to the "story" from the point of view of someone associated with Southill Alexander. Its true that many of us are ex or even current MyFC members, most were disappointed not to get what we hoped out of our experience with MyFC.

I think, quite rightly that one of the many criticisms of MyFC was that the project started with the premise that they would buy an existing club, in many ways it would always cause dissent from fans that in my view see the club as theirs, that "Internet Geeks" making decisions about "their" club could only do so with a lack of knowledge and experience.

The idea of Southill Alexander started on FreeMyFC, an admittedly breakaway group of MyFC members who, as I said mainly felt dissatisfied with their experience and wanted to be involved in something more honest (for lack of a better word), something more genuine. Many of us, its true to say could be Premiership Fans who had their interest in football rekindled by Non League Football.

The difference between Southill Alexander FC and MyFCs relationship with Ebbsfleet is that instead of becoming members of a Trust on a yearly basis, with Southill, the entry price is a single share priced at 25 giving genuine ownership, and also paying a yearly 25 Subscription fee to the Owners Website. The scheme won't be for everyone thats true, its not designed to be, but it is designed to appeal to those with genuine commitment.

SAFC is not solely or even majority funded by Share and membership purchases but mainly by tradditional funding from sponsorship and benefactors, much like other Football Clubs. We appreciate that many successful clubs are seeing their fair (and unfair) share of struggles and Southill Alexander will have a lot to prove.

We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do. We applied based on our fortunate ground grading from our groundshare at the Carlsberg Stadium (a beautiful nearly new ground that does credit to not just Biggleswade Town but also Non League in general), and advice.

We are not expecting to be granted easy entrance to or even criticism from competition from our opposition in whichever league we commence playing. We, like all clubs which had to start somewhere would just like the chance to earn our spurs.

Once again, I apologise for interrupting, if you have comments you'd like a response to I will do my best. Thanks.


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We are selling shares at 25 a share, maximum of 5 per person. Each shareholder has one vote, no matter how many shares he or she holds. If they wish, Shareholders can purchase Website Memberships which are also 25 - this allows them to access the members' area of the website and get involved on our forum, where owners are making decisions about the new club.


One member one vote - so, where do the votes take place? Do those not wishing to purchase website membership get postal votes? Or is the cost of a VOTING share really 50 for the first year & 25 thereafter?


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We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do.


What is the back-up plan for 2009-10 if the SSML do not accept you?


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The idea of Southill Alexander started on FreeMyFC

No, it didn't. It started with an Edgware Town supporter who attempted to start up an "Edgware 2009" FC when the club lost their ground and (temporarily) ceased as a playing entity. I presume you are already aware of how it morphed from those beginnings into Southill Alexander.


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We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do.


What is the back-up plan for 2009-10 if the SSML do not accept you?


We have supplied the SSMFL with all the information requested of us and believe we have answered their questions to their satisfaction. With respect for the committee I feel it would be best not to make any further comment about this until we have had their decision, but thanks for the question.


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The idea of Southill Alexander started on FreeMyFC

No, it didn't. It started with an Edgware Town supporter who attempted to start up an "Edgware 2009" FC when the club lost their ground and (temporarily) ceased as a playing entity. I presume you are already aware of how it morphed from those beginnings into Southill Alexander.


With respect SuperKev, thats a bit like saying Stevenson's Rocket morped into todays modern train engine. I don't wish to argue with you and you are correct in as much as one or two people connected with the original wish to start up Edgware are now associated with Southill Alexander, as far as the rest of the story goes, Southill Alexander is very far removed from the Edgware "Project".

I hope that answers your point politely and accurately.


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The idea of Southill Alexander started on FreeMyFC

No, it didn't. It started with an Edgware Town supporter who attempted to start up an "Edgware 2009" FC when the club lost their ground and (temporarily) ceased as a playing entity. I presume you are already aware of how it morphed from those beginnings into Southill Alexander.


With respect SuperKev, thats a bit like saying Stevenson's Rocket morped into todays modern train engine. I don't wish to argue with you and you are correct in as much as one or two people connected with the original wish to start up Edgware are now associated with Southill Alexander, as far as the rest of the story goes, Southill Alexander is very far removed from the Edgware "Project".

I hope that answers your point politely and accurately.



and as for SA.. it will be lucky to last longer than August..



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and as for SA.. it will be lucky to last longer than August..


We won't count on your support.


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Hello, please forgive me for interrupting your thread and forum as a complete newcomer, but I just hoped to put a side to the "story" from the point of view of someone associated with Southill Alexander. Its true that many of us are ex or even current MyFC members, most were disappointed not to get what we hoped out of our experience with MyFC.

I think, quite rightly that one of the many criticisms of MyFC was that the project started with the premise that they would buy an existing club, in many ways it would always cause dissent from fans that in my view see the club as theirs, that "Internet Geeks" making decisions about "their" club could only do so with a lack of knowledge and experience.

The idea of Southill Alexander started on FreeMyFC, an admittedly breakaway group of MyFC members who, as I said mainly felt dissatisfied with their experience and wanted to be involved in something more honest (for lack of a better word), something more genuine. Many of us, its true to say could be Premiership Fans who had their interest in football rekindled by Non League Football.

The difference between Southill Alexander FC and MyFCs relationship with Ebbsfleet is that instead of becoming members of a Trust on a yearly basis, with Southill, the entry price is a single share priced at 25 giving genuine ownership, and also paying a yearly 25 Subscription fee to the Owners Website. The scheme won't be for everyone thats true, its not designed to be, but it is designed to appeal to those with genuine commitment.

SAFC is not solely or even majority funded by Share and membership purchases but mainly by tradditional funding from sponsorship and benefactors, much like other Football Clubs. We appreciate that many successful clubs are seeing their fair (and unfair) share of struggles and Southill Alexander will have a lot to prove.

We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do. We applied based on our fortunate ground grading from our groundshare at the Carlsberg Stadium (a beautiful nearly new ground that does credit to not just Biggleswade Town but also Non League in general), and advice.

We are not expecting to be granted easy entrance to or even criticism from competition from our opposition in whichever league we commence playing. We, like all clubs which had to start somewhere would just like the chance to earn our spurs.

Once again, I apologise for interrupting, if you have comments you'd like a response to I will do my best. Thanks.



good luck and all that, it looks like there's a lot of effort going in to this project... however I cant help but feel that the time and effort and resources put in to fans clubs like these, and the "AFC" types, would be of much better use to the many existing smaller clubs that are struggling to survive due to lack of resources/interest/funds. Instead of setting up new fan clubs, if the people involved approached a club like Berkhamsted Town before they folded mid-season and offered the fund raising membership ideas and offered help with other resources - website, publicity and anything else that goes on behind the scenes, then maybe less clubs would be disappearing. I know that technically it's just taking over an existing club, possible resentment from existing fanbase etc etc, but fans who are genuine about, as you say, a rekindled interest in football thanks to non-league game would surely welcome the idea of saving existing clubs.

AFC Wimbledon aside, I dont know of any new fan clubs who once formed havent impacted the draw of attendances, sponsorship or players of other local clubs already in exisitance.


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Everyone, can you do me a favour? Please don't let this thread turn into a petty squabble.

I don't know enough (NORTHERNER!) to have an opinion either way on this subject, whether this is a worthy venture or not, but please be aware - if this starts getting personal... well, hopefully, you know the rest. I might not have an opinion, but I can smell when factions are starting to develop at a hundred paces Wink. That's not to say we can't keep the discussion going, just don't let it get personal or abusive, just keep everything civil.

Thanks in advance.

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good luck and all that, it looks like there's a lot of effort going in to this project... however I cant help but feel that the time and effort and resources put in to fans clubs like these, and the "AFC" types, would be of much better use to the many existing smaller clubs that are struggling to survive due to lack of resources/interest/funds. Instead of setting up new fan clubs, if the people involved approached a club like Berkhamsted Town before they folded mid-season and offered the fund raising membership ideas and offered help with other resources - website, publicity and anything else that goes on behind the scenes, then maybe less clubs would be disappearing. I know that technically it's just taking over an existing club, possible resentment from existing fanbase etc etc, but fans who are genuine about, as you say, a rekindled interest in football thanks to non-league game would surely welcome the idea of saving existing clubs.

AFC Wimbledon aside, I dont know of any new fan clubs who once formed havent impacted the draw of attendances, sponsorship or players of other local clubs already in exisitance.


Really interesting comment, thanks. The people involved in Southill Alexander, shareholders included are just members of the public with as diverse sets of skills and experiences as any other club. What you are suggesting could be really interesting, if existing fans of clubs that are struggling came together and tried this. What a lot of us wanted when we joined MyFC was part of an ethos to bring football ownership back to the fans. We felt that MyFC had generally failed in achieving that for one reason or another, far too boring to repeat, so we wanted to start from fresh.

Part of the original issue in many ways was the disparity in goals between new "owners" (MyFC Trust) and existing fans. If existing fans, though set about doing this for their own clubs though, there would be no "them & us".


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We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do.


What is the back-up plan for 2009-10 if the SSML do not accept you?


We have supplied the SSMFL with all the information requested of us and believe we have answered their questions to their satisfaction. With respect for the committee I feel it would be best not to make any further comment about this until we have had their decision, but thanks for the question.


Thanks for the reply, even if it didn't answer my question. I would like to see Darter's answer to my previous question - or maybe you could oblige?


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We wanted to start a Football Club from scratch, we have applied to the SSML and await their decision, if they feel that they would prefer us to enter at a lower level, then thats what we will gladly do.


What is the back-up plan for 2009-10 if the SSML do not accept you?


We have supplied the SSMFL with all the information requested of us and believe we have answered their questions to their satisfaction. With respect for the committee I feel it would be best not to make any further comment about this until we have had their decision, but thanks for the question.


Thanks for the reply, even if it didn't answer my question. I would like to see Darter's answer to my previous question - or maybe you could oblige?


Of course. You asked "One member one vote - so, where do the votes take place? Do those not wishing to purchase website membership get postal votes? Or is the cost of a VOTING share really 50 for the first year & 25 thereafter?"

Club Website membership is in effect raising further funds that website members can have full control in directing how it is spent to develop either the club, the playing budget or even the website, they choose, they also vote online on the website in more operational and strategic decisions. The club already has funding to operate at what we consider to be consistent with being able to play at the level we are hoping to enter, the club website subscriptions multiplied by however many members can be spent augmenting that or in other ways developing the organisation.

Shareholders without Website membership still have shareholders rights, they can vote at AGMs and EGMs etc, but not participate in operational decisions as can Website members. Shareholders can choose to join the Club Website scheme at any point as they qualify by being existing shareholders. Not everyone will be able to afford a minimum 25 + 25 initially. Some may just want to show support or invest.


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The club already has funding to operate at what we consider to be consistent with being able to play at the level we are hoping to enter.


Thanks for the prompt reply. So, a fair number of shares have already been sold then if you have sufficient funding to operate? I thought they only went on sale 10 days ago. Or has that come from elsewhere?

I see in your T&Cs that the shares are non-refundable. If I were to invest my 50 and you were not successful in your SSML application what would happen to my money?


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The club already has funding to operate at what we consider to be consistent with being able to play at the level we are hoping to enter.


Thanks for the prompt reply. So, a fair number of shares have already been sold then if you have sufficient funding to operate? I thought they only went on sale 10 days ago. Or has that come from elsewhere?

I see in your T&Cs that the shares are non-refundable. If I were to invest my 50 and you were not successful in your SSML application what would happen to my money?


You are welcome. Yes we have sold a fair amount of shares but we have other funding too from sponsorship and benefactors, so yes, we are fully funded. Club website membership is intended to include internet using members to be involved in debate, and decisions and further funding at a higher level. Its about football fans controlling their club and the direction it takes.

As I said earlier, I don't want to discuss any decision revolving around the SSMFL's consideration at their commitee meeting. Personally, I'd say that you need to read the Must Ask Qustions and T&Cs on the site for your answer.


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Fvck me, talk about over egging the pudding... I used to think your average football fan just turned up, paid his 5/10/15, watched the game, had a drink, went home and kicked the cat depending on the result.
I still don't get why any self-respecting football fan would want to front up fifty sovs for a club that doesn't even have senior status or a league yet and is having to ground share in a town that already hosts two teams who averaged 118 and 50 people last season respectively?



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I don't know enough (NORTHERNER!) to have an opinion either way on this subject



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Fvck me, talk about over egging the pudding... I used to think your average football fan just turned up, paid his 5/10/15, watched the game, had a drink, went home and kicked the cat depending on the result.
I still don't get why any self-respecting football fan would want to front up fifty sovs for a club that doesn't even have senior status or a league yet and is having to ground share in a town that already hosts two teams who averaged 118 and 50 people last season respectively?


Why does anyone do anything? I'm not here to try and convince you through opinion about the merits of becoming a shareholder in Southill Alexander, I just started posting here, hopefully in a polite manner to answer questions on how the project works and how it is set up. If I see that someone has a misconception about what it costs, what you get etc, then my intention was to be helpful, no more.

Its only fair that some would say "Why not put your money into an existing Non League Football Club?". I've known quite a few who joined MyFC and then saw Non League Football played at Stonebridge Road for the very first time and got the bug. Standing on terraces instead of sitting in draftless, sterile premiership stadia, watching raw energy and even rawer emotions on the faces and in the voices of fans is very appealing, there is something very "real" about Non League that has taken quite a few disappointed MyFC "owners" onto finding their own local teams and seeking that sense of belonging with something more genuine.

Partcipants in Southill Alexander are just trying to do something different for themselves and in their own way "put something back into football". It won't be for everyone, it certainly won't be for people who are already passionate about their own clubs, but maybe once the focus is on playing football, you and I will have something worthwhile to debate. Until then, of course you will express an opinion and knock something you don't understand or want. Me telling you what opinion you should hold would be as wrong as you telling me what I can believe in.

Until the football starts, I wish you well. Wink


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I just started posting here, hopefully in a polite manner to answer questions on how the project works and how it is set up.



What was the reasoning for selecting the Carlsberg Stadium for a groundshare?


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Personally, I'd say that you need to read the Must Ask Qustions and T&Cs on the site for your answer.


I had read them - they didn't answer all the points I've tried to get clarified on here. Guess I wouldn't be parting with any money until after the league AGM.


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It seems to me that there is a big difference between a football CLUB and a football TEAM.

This new venture is just a team, not a football club. I think it's wrong that anyone should be able to start a new team and, by arranging a groundshare, be immediately eligible to join the pyramid system. Don't the groundshare rules say something like: it must be a TEMPORARY arrangement and that the "club" must show it has definite plans to provide its own stadium? And that "clubs" cannot groundshare simply in order to achieve promotion?

Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

The first step for any new "club" should really be to find a patch of grass to play on. Then make progress, bit by bit. Fence it in. Add some hard standing. Get some dugouts and changing rooms. Put up a bit of shelter. It all takes time, but in this way you get a proper club with a realistic foundation.

Personally, I would ban groundsharing unless the club's ground/stadium is being altered/renovated and any agreement to groundshare should be for one season only.


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It seems to me that there is a big difference between a football CLUB and a football TEAM.

This new venture is just a team, not a football club. I think it's wrong that anyone should be able to start a new team and, by arranging a groundshare, be immediately eligible to join the pyramid system. Don't the groundshare rules say something like: it must be a TEMPORARY arrangement and that the "club" must show it has definite plans to provide its own stadium? And that "clubs" cannot groundshare simply in order to achieve promotion?

Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

The first step for any new "club" should really be to find a patch of grass to play on. Then make progress, bit by bit. Fence it in. Add some hard standing. Get some dugouts and changing rooms. Put up a bit of shelter. It all takes time, but in this way you get a proper club with a realistic foundation.

Personally, I would ban groundsharing unless the club's ground/stadium is being altered/renovated and any agreement to groundshare should be for one season only.


In reply perhaps I would be permitted to tell you that there most assuredly is a lot more to groundsharing than just paying a "fixed rent", however, of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Having been a visitor to this site for quite some time I'd say that it is a fantastic source of knowledge and also a trove of personal opinion. Knowing when to listen to which is the key.


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


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It's very interesting to read the comments on here and of course, we know that some people will not be interested in what we are doing whilst others will embrace it whole-heartedly. Fortunately, we seem to be finding more and more of the latter! The people who have been working on things up till now are 100% committed and as Club Secretary, I am moving to Biggleswade next month (from Lancaster, as it happens, so Northerners are allowed to comment lol) so that I can be there full-time. And no, I'm not taking a salary out of the club's funds! Smile


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?

I genuinely haven't refused to answer the question, but thank you for making it seem that way. Please keep your 50 safe and sound, none of us would wish you kept awake at night by the worry. Wink


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Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

I'm sorry, but that is complete and utter garbage. The fixed price will be set at a level that includes all such costs, plus which the majority of teams that share don't have the benefit of ancillary income such as bar and catering income, perimiter advertising etc, and what is more many of the landlord clubs would be in financial difficulties without the income from groundsharing.



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Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

I'm sorry, but that is complete and utter garbage. The fixed price will be set at a level that includes all such costs, plus which the majority of teams that share don't have the benefit of ancillary income such as bar and catering income, perimiter advertising etc, and what is more many of the landlord clubs would be in financial difficulties without the income from groundsharing.


Yes you are right, the groundshare agreement which we have had approved by the League includes details of much more than just rent of the pitch! I don't see groundsharing as something which confers an advantage on anyone, but as has been posted here, the income helps the host club and we are delighted to be able to give our players and supporters the chance to enjoy new facilities at the Carlsberg Stadium.


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It seems to me that there is a big difference between a football CLUB and a football TEAM.

This new venture is just a team, not a football club. I think it's wrong that anyone should be able to start a new team and, by arranging a groundshare, be immediately eligible to join the pyramid system. Don't the groundshare rules say something like: it must be a TEMPORARY arrangement and that the "club" must show it has definite plans to provide its own stadium? And that "clubs" cannot groundshare simply in order to achieve promotion?

Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

The first step for any new "club" should really be to find a patch of grass to play on. Then make progress, bit by bit. Fence it in. Add some hard standing. Get some dugouts and changing rooms. Put up a bit of shelter. It all takes time, but in this way you get a proper club with a realistic foundation.

Personally, I would ban groundsharing unless the club's ground/stadium is being altered/renovated and any agreement to groundshare should be for one season only.


In reply perhaps I would be permitted to tell you that there most assuredly is a lot more to groundsharing than just paying a "fixed rent", however, of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Having been a visitor to this site for quite some time I'd say that it is a fantastic source of knowledge and also a trove of personal opinion. Knowing when to listen to which is the key.



Loose, you are very good at skirting round the questions i'll give you that.
I think that when DaveJackson refers to a 'fixed rent' he is talking of a 'normal' groundshare where everything is set out at the start of the season, but of course Southill aren't normal are they?
Paying vastly over the top rent and extras, just to say you play at a state of the art non league stadium seems sheer folly to me. Why not invest it in a plot of land and start a genuinely new club as DaveJackson mentioned? Admittedly it would have involved a lot more work than just pressing computer keys, but think of the satisfaction it could give you!
Then there is the ppv web site! What utter tosh. i would have thought as a new venture you would want it to be accessible to as many people as possible... must be the 'secret squirrel' mentality that pervades in your new 'club' that deems otherwise.
Maybe you will get your wish to play in the SSML, but have to start in Div2 in fairness to the other clubs that have done things the right way, and have been fighting for promotion year in year out on a restricted budget.Some would say you should start in a County league,so to place Southill any higher in the pyramid could heap more scorn on an already much maligned system, but as you say, "we shall see".


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I view this discussion with interest, but as a neutral. I am intrigued that the club is "already fully funded". By who?, and under what conditions?
I have read the Q&A session, but not the terms and conditions (which are long, and I do not have the time at the moment). With MyFC, it appeared that the people running the web site were going to pick up a tidy profit on their dealings, and I wonder whether this is the case here as well.



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If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?



As a former MYFC member, I'm genuinely interested in SAFC but would also like to know what Plan B is, should admission to the SSML be refused. I've carefully read the T&C's but can find no reference to Plan B. Could you please be so kind as point me in the right direction. Many thanks.


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We do not have a PPV website, as you put it - we have Club Website Memberships. Our website is not simply a forum with a few articles attached, it's a place where we put discuss and decide on things directly related to the setting up and running of the club, and where we give people the information to make those decisions.
Even before we launched, interested parties decided online what colours we'd play in, and they designed the club badge and chose the name of the club. At the moment on our new Club Website we are sorting out production of the programme, we are writing a Google ad, we are making some links to clubs in the USA via one of our Board members who lives in Tennessee. All decisions are voted on via the forum. Some people want to buy a share, get a share certificate and simply be able to vote at AGMs or EGMs - just as you would if you bought into any other football club, or any other company. We welcome them, and we also welcome shareholders who want to get much more involved by also joining as a Website Member. It's their choice.


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In reply perhaps I would be permitted to tell you that there most assuredly is a lot more to groundsharing than just paying a "fixed rent", however, of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Having been a visitor to this site for quite some time I'd say that it is a fantastic source of knowledge and also a trove of personal opinion. Knowing when to listen to which is the key.



Loose, you are very good at skirting round the questions i'll give you that.
I think that when DaveJackson refers to a 'fixed rent' he is talking of a 'normal' groundshare where everything is set out at the start of the season, but of course Southill aren't normal are they?
Paying vastly over the top rent and extras, just to say you play at a state of the art non league stadium seems sheer folly to me. Why not invest it in a plot of land and start a genuinely new club as DaveJackson mentioned? Admittedly it would have involved a lot more work than just pressing computer keys, but think of the satisfaction it could give you!
Then there is the ppv web site! What utter tosh. i would have thought as a new venture you would want it to be accessible to as many people as possible... must be the 'secret squirrel' mentality that pervades in your new 'club' that deems otherwise.
Maybe you will get your wish to play in the SSML, but have to start in Div2 in fairness to the other clubs that have done things the right way, and have been fighting for promotion year in year out on a restricted budget.Some would say you should start in a County league,so to place Southill any higher in the pyramid could heap more scorn on an already much maligned system, but as you say, "we shall see".

Archer, perhaps I truly missed it but I failed to see a question from DaveJackson. I read his opinion of course and merely responded to a part of it. I did not dismiss any of his opinion. Please point out to me where I have skirted around a question.

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

Please don't talk to me of taking up more work than "just pressing computer keys". I don't know you and you don't know me, I would not presume to insult you by asserting that all you do is play with your computer. I merely hoped to answer people who had genuine questions with fact.

I can assure you that the work necessary to start a brand new football club, even a groundsharing one, from scratch involves a great deal more than playing keyboard warrior, have you ever tried it? Perhaps you have, as I do not know you, or you me, for all I know you could be a much experienced established club chairman. Rather than knock something you have no knowledge of and even less liking for, from such a lofty position you could offer the benefit of advice. Perhaps I'll hear more from you.


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What is a highly inflated rental agreement? I haven't seen one and yet our friend Archer knows all, clever boy indeed Wink In any event the arrangements at Biggs suit all who understand these matters and those that don't understand don't count do they?

The application to the SSML is to be heard shortly, plan B in the event of a refusal will be to play in Seria A

Loose seeks not to skirt anything, its frankly not the business of any forum troll to demand answers related to the affairs of a privately owned entity, sign up and find out...Cool

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Even before we launched, interested parties decided online what colours we'd play in, and they designed the club badge and chose the name of the club.


If you're truly going to be a member's club with all that entails, shouldn't those things have been decided properly (along with the appointment of club officials etc.) at the primary AGM, not by a number of "interested parties"?

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What is a highly inflated rental agreement? I haven't seen one and yet our friend Archer knows all, clever boy indeed Wink In any event the arrangements at Biggs suit all who understand these matters and those that don't understand don't count do they?

The application to the SSML is to be heard shortly, plan B in the event of a refusal will be to play in Seria A

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If you're truly going to be a member's club with all that entails, shouldn't those things have been decided properly (along with the appointment of club officials etc.) at the primary AGM, not by a number of "interested parties"?


they were, carry on please Unsure


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I view this discussion with interest, but as a neutral. I am intrigued that the club is "already fully funded". By who?, and under what conditions?
I have read the Q&A session, but not the terms and conditions (which are long, and I do not have the time at the moment). With MyFC, it appeared that the people running the web site were going to pick up a tidy profit on their dealings, and I wonder whether this is the case here as well.

I appreciate your question leohoenig. As I have already said elsewhere Southill Alexander has already secured a large amount of funding through sponsorship and benefactors. Sponsorship under normal conditions, benefactors under altruistic conditions, not one is under any contract to receive any more than advertising and to some extent the normal hospitality of attending matches at the Carlsberg Stadium and supporting Non League Football at a brand new club. Any other details, such as they may be are proprietal information for consumption, debate, or even approval by shareholding club website members.

Southill Alexander is unlike MyFC. MyFC members are charged a yearly subscription to a website and granted membership and what has now become the ability to be part of a supporters club, occasionally voting on who gets to argue over what and when. Approximately 21% of that subscription goes to the "Operator" Mr Will Brooks as an admin fee. Southill Alexander takes no admin fees, 100% of share raised income and website membership goes to the football club and owners decide how it is spent, completely. A substantial difference.


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?

I genuinely haven't refused to answer the question, but thank you for making it seem that way. Please keep your 50 safe and sound, none of us would wish you kept awake at night by the worry. Wink


Please tell me they aren't going to make you head of PR !
I've had a look at your T&C, I can't find what happens to the cash if SAFC don't play next season. I'm not the only one who's said that. But my guess is, you'll continue to refuse to answer.
As for my 50, I've promised the missus I'll take her to a Champaign bar in London if Cambridge win on Sunday, so I'll keep it for that. If there's a fiver left, I might invest it in coming to watch you at Sawbridgeworth pre-season.


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What is a highly inflated rental agreement? I haven't seen one and yet our friend Archer knows all, clever boy indeed Wink In any event the arrangements at Biggs suit all who understand these matters and those that don't understand don't count do they?

The application to the SSML is to be heard shortly, plan B in the event of a refusal will be to play in Seria A

Loose seeks not to skirt anything, its frankly not the business of any forum troll to demand answers related to the affairs of a privately owned entity, sign up and find out...Cool

Loose and Darts do nice, I do marmalade on sticky fingers. Tongue

Hi Uncle - thought you'd have to weigh in! Should I risk 50 ?


Hi Horace, its up to you mate but you have to admit its a different and fresh approach, I believe in it and as a 5 year sort of project I feel it will work well and build on an international basis, the offshore interest is considerable and of course the demise of MYFC hightens the demand from disappointed members of that sad experiment. Loose and Darts are clever people Horace with enormous recources available to them and I don't just mean money. I am in for the ride, you do whatever you feel is right to do.

Fancy a VIP Bishops Eleven membership for 750 squidlies?....There is one left. Sly


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?

I genuinely haven't refused to answer the question, but thank you for making it seem that way. Please keep your 50 safe and sound, none of us would wish you kept awake at night by the worry. Wink


Please tell me they aren't going to make you head of PR !
I've had a look at your T&C, I can't find what happens to the cash if SAFC don't play next season. I'm not the only one who's said that. But my guess is, you'll continue to refuse to answer.
As for my 50, I've promised the missus I'll take her to a Champaign bar in London if Cambridge win on Sunday, so I'll keep it for that. If there's a fiver left, I might invest it in coming to watch you at Sawbridgeworth pre-season.


No, I don't do PR, I answer with facts, occasionally when pushed to it I'll state a personal opinion.

Enjoy your champagne, my money and hopes are on Cambridge too. We'll look forward to trying to put up a good show with Sawbridgeworth, will you wear a carnation in your buttonhole and carry a copy of the FT so I can recognise you and make your acquaintance?


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?

I genuinely haven't refused to answer the question, but thank you for making it seem that way. Please keep your 50 safe and sound, none of us would wish you kept awake at night by the worry. Wink


Please tell me they aren't going to make you head of PR !
I've had a look at your T&C, I can't find what happens to the cash if SAFC don't play next season. I'm not the only one who's said that. But my guess is, you'll continue to refuse to answer.
As for my 50, I've promised the missus I'll take her to a Champaign bar in London if Cambridge win on Sunday, so I'll keep it for that. If there's a fiver left, I might invest it in coming to watch you at Sawbridgeworth pre-season.


oh look its ladderman who sits behind his anonymous screen making snide comments (and can't spell champagne) Cool


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Er, not thanks. I suspect you're only really interested in speaking with people who think SAFC is a good idea.


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What is a highly inflated rental agreement? I haven't seen one and yet our friend Archer knows all, clever boy indeed Wink In any event the arrangements at Biggs suit all who understand these matters and those that don't understand don't count do they?

The application to the SSML is to be heard shortly, plan B in the event of a refusal will be to play in Seria A

Loose seeks not to skirt anything, its frankly not the business of any forum troll to demand answers related to the affairs of a privately owned entity, sign up and find out...Cool

Loose and Darts do nice, I do marmalade on sticky fingers. Tongue

Hi Uncle - thought you'd have to weigh in! Should I risk 50 ?


Hi Horace, its up to you mate but you have to admit its a different and fresh approach, I believe in it and as a 5 year sort of project I feel it will work well and build on an international basis, the offshore interest is considerable and of course the demise of MYFC hightens the demand from disappointed members of that sad experiment. Loose and Darts are clever people Horace with enormous recources available to them and I don't just mean money. I am in for the ride, you do whatever you feel is right to do.

Fancy a VIP Bishops Eleven membership for 750 squidlies?....There is one left. Sly


ME, give YOU 750 ? I'd rather spend it on wine women and song! I think the clear trend from posts on here by "real footy people" is a resounding thumbs down!


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Even before we launched, interested parties decided online what colours we'd play in, and they designed the club badge and chose the name of the club.


If you're truly going to be a member's club with all that entails, shouldn't those things have been decided properly (along with the appointment of club officials etc.) at the primary AGM, not by a number of "interested parties"?

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Richard


The people who decided were people on the freemyfc forum, who have been "interested parties" all along. They are in the main now Club Website Members. We have had an open forum on freemyfc for months where we have been answering questions and getting good ideas from other people. For this club, those sorts of things will be voted on by Club Website Members. We asked for volunteers for the Board and all those who volunteered were accommodated. Then we decided amongst us who would do what, depending on people's individual skills and interests. We have another place on the Board for a Club Website Member who will be elected by those members. The T&Cs set out what will happen from now on in terms of Board rotation and appointments.


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Er, not thanks. I suspect you're only really interested in speaking with people who think SAFC is a good idea.


Oh! Well, my loss apparently. Ladderman, I was under no illusion that you had any interest in SAFC apart from knocking it yet I still took time to speak to you.

Bit of the green eye, I suspect, still...if you are not brave enough to come out from behind your keyboard thats your business. All the best with the missus, can I suggest you spend your 50 on asti spumante, just tell your missus thats how you spell champagne these days, its better value for money if you are not used to the real thing.


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You & your mate are going to make a lot of friends on here. That is assuming you have a mate & you're not just using a couple of laptops.


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Everyone, can you do me a favour? Please don't let this thread turn into a petty squabble.

I don't know enough (NORTHERNER!) to have an opinion either way on this subject, whether this is a worthy venture or not, but please be aware - if this starts getting personal... well, hopefully, you know the rest. I might not have an opinion, but I can smell when factions are starting to develop at a hundred paces Wink. That's not to say we can't keep the discussion going, just don't let it get personal or abusive, just keep everything civil.

Thanks in advance.

Jupp. Cool



well spotted that man!


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Excuse me Ladderman lol, I am Sally and I am in Lancaster! My colleague looks nothing like me, I can assure you lol. Apart from the fact that he's a bloke, he's well over a foot taller than me Cool


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You & your mate are going to make a lot of friends on here. That is assuming you have a mate & you're not just using a couple of laptops.


Please don't judge everyone by your own standards Ladderman.

I merely came on here to politely answer some points made and asked, not interrupt your daily trolling session. Don't worry, I have no intention of taking your place at the trough. Good luck with that trolling, if it makes you lots of friends then all power to you.


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For the life of me I can't get the "quote" option to work properly for me, so I will copy and paste instead.

Loose wrote:

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

/copy and paste Smile


Having joined the Southill Alexander Facebook group (free of charge I must add Tongue) I have received an email from Steve Foster, the manager, and it categorically states that "We've applied to join The Spartan South Midlands League Division 1, but we won't know of our outcome until the league AGM on May 14th"

Personally I don't blame the club for applying as high as they can, fair enough, but I don't think the SSML should allow Southill Alexander into Div 1. If it was just a case of facilities I could see a strong argument for Southill joining Div 1 if they are accepted to the SSML, but with the likes of Wodson Park and Hadley playing in Division 2 I believe it would be unjust to allow a team with no playing history to jump above them and in fact I would say there was a stronger argument for them to play at a lower level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.


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WTF ! No-one's taken even the remotest potshot at me over this yet ! How come ? I'm disappointed to say the least. Surely one or other of the regular keyboard warrior mickey-takers could find the teensiest something to tease me about ?



I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THIS FORUM WHO HAS FELT LET-DOWN BY MY INIMICABLE AND DEPLORABLE BEHAVIOUR OF OCTOBER 28th. 2009. ESPECIALLY TO BRIAN, WHO IS A MARVELLOUS GENTLEMAN AND IS THE LAST PERSON HERE WHO SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SUCH UNDESERVED PERSONAL CHARACTER-ASSASSINATION. LET IT BE KNOWN THAT A PRIVATE PERSONAL APOLOGY WAS SENT, BUT WAS SEEN INSUFFICIENT. FAIR ENOUGH.


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In response to AWK, we'll wait and see what happens. The SSMFL know that we would like to enter Div 1 (that's what Fozzie means), but it's up to them of course. As Loose says, you don't actually apply to a Division, you apply to the League as many on here will know. I am the person who has handled all the paperwork so I am talking from my own experience here - you contact the League, you indicate that you are a new club, you ask to be considered for membership, you are asked to submit various pieces of documentation in some detail. Emails are exchanged if there are further questions to be answered. Then you wait until the League has deliberated. That's what we are doing now.


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WTF ! No-one's taken even the remotest potshot at me over this yet ! How come ? I'm disappointed to say the least. Surely one or other of the regular keyboard warrior mickey-takers could find the teensiest something to tease me about ?


Vienna - I charge you with looking through their T&Cs and telling us all what PlanB is. If you can't come up with a believable answer I'll be very disappointed. They aren't that long - only like one of your medium sized posts.

Happy now????? Wink


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For the life of me I can't get the "quote" option to work properly for me, so I will copy and paste instead.

Loose wrote:

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

/copy and paste Smile


Having joined the Southill Alexander Facebook group (free of charge I must add Tongue) I have received an email from Steve Foster, the manager, and it categorically states that "We've applied to join The Spartan South Midlands League Division 1, but we won't know of our outcome until the league AGM on May 14th"

Personally I don't blame the club for applying as high as they can, fair enough, but I don't think the SSML should allow Southill Alexander into Div 1. If it was just a case of facilities I could see a strong argument for Southill joining Div 1 if they are accepted to the SSML, but with the likes of Wodson Park and Hadley playing in Division 2 I believe it would be unjust to allow a team with no playing history to jump above them and in fact I would say there was a stronger argument for them to play at a lower level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.


Perhaps the new club should make it a priority to appoint somebody in an admin capacity - the AGM thread on the Re-structuring section of this forum gives the date of the SSML AGM as 20th June 2009, a date I have also seen quoted elsewhere.



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For the life of me I can't get the "quote" option to work properly for me, so I will copy and paste instead.

Loose wrote:

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

/copy and paste Smile


Having joined the Southill Alexander Facebook group (free of charge I must add Tongue) I have received an email from Steve Foster, the manager, and it categorically states that "We've applied to join The Spartan South Midlands League Division 1, but we won't know of our outcome until the league AGM on May 14th"

Personally I don't blame the club for applying as high as they can, fair enough, but I don't think the SSML should allow Southill Alexander into Div 1. If it was just a case of facilities I could see a strong argument for Southill joining Div 1 if they are accepted to the SSML, but with the likes of Wodson Park and Hadley playing in Division 2 I believe it would be unjust to allow a team with no playing history to jump above them and in fact I would say there was a stronger argument for them to play at a lower level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.


Perhaps the new club should make it a priority to appoint somebody in an admin capacity - the AGM thread on the Re-structuring section of this forum gives the date of the SSML AGM as 20th June 2009, a date I have also seen quoted elsewhere.



perhaps they should appoint you steve.....or maybe you are too busy with other matters....Crazy


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I have checked my emails and I was given the date of the League's Management Committee meeting on 14 May as the date when the League will be in a position to make decisions on applications.


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Thanks for the clarification Darter, though you can no doubt understand where the confusion come from as that was a direct quote from Steve Foster that I used, and as someone who has never applied for a club to join a new league I took it as meaning that you had applied directly for Division One.


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I have checked my emails and I was given the date of the League's Management Committee meeting on 14 May as the date when the League will be in a position to make decisions on applications.


That date is when the Conference, Southern, Isthmian, and Northern Premier Leagues get together and decide who is going where in the Step 1 to 4 Leagues. As you've applied to the SSM League (top division Step 5), I guess you're application will be heard by the SSM committee at their AGM in June.



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AWK, I was surprised that there wasn't actually an application form, as it happens! Following an initial phone call, there was series of helpful emails from the League officials, where I was able to say what we were hoping to do. All the "paperwork" has been done online, with attachments sent, and I've had emails back after the Management Committee meetings where the docs were presented. I was impressed, it's very 21st century! I have the Beds FA affiliation papers waiting here and it's back to pen and paper for those Smile


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Blackdouglas, I can only comment on what I have been told by League officials re. dates, as you'll appreciate. But thanks for the info, that's helpful.


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For the life of me I can't get the "quote" option to work properly for me, so I will copy and paste instead.

Loose wrote:

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

/copy and paste Smile


Having joined the Southill Alexander Facebook group (free of charge I must add Tongue) I have received an email from Steve Foster, the manager, and it categorically states that "We've applied to join The Spartan South Midlands League Division 1, but we won't know of our outcome until the league AGM on May 14th"

Personally I don't blame the club for applying as high as they can, fair enough, but I don't think the SSML should allow Southill Alexander into Div 1. If it was just a case of facilities I could see a strong argument for Southill joining Div 1 if they are accepted to the SSML, but with the likes of Wodson Park and Hadley playing in Division 2 I believe it would be unjust to allow a team with no playing history to jump above them and in fact I would say there was a stronger argument for them to play at a lower level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.


Perhaps the new club should make it a priority to appoint somebody in an admin capacity - the AGM thread on the Re-structuring section of this forum gives the date of the SSML AGM as 20th June 2009, a date I have also seen quoted elsewhere.



perhaps they should appoint you steve.....or maybe you are too busy with other matters....Crazy


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To all concerned - pleased keep focussed on the subject under discussion.
If there are any more divergences into personal bickering, then the thread will be locked.

I think this is an interesting project, but it is not one that I would commit money to.
I wonder why people would support, via the net, a club they may never get to see?



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Lots of people want to get involved - they like being part of all the decision-making and we are going to make efforts to get the games transmitted via the net - we've been looking at a couple of packages which will help us do that. The UK-based members will all get down at some time to see us.


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Its a very interesting project thats for sure and i wish you all the best with it.
But am i the only one that thinks you have priced it to high. 25 for a Website membership is far to high to attract the curious. I feel many more people would show an interest if you had set the membership fee at 10 and those showing further interest would go on to purchase shares.
There's an economic downturn which will prevent many from laying 50 on an unknown team. I'm not knocking the project, far from it in fact, i just think you have scored an own goal by setting the Website fee so high.



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I think people can guess my viewpoint already...personally I can't see the point of starting up a brand new club in this manner, in such an isolated palce with two senior clubs already, to boot.

I am interested in the reasoning behind it, but am also a bit surprised at the Southill Alexander people seemingly a bit surprised at some of the negativity on here. Surely you don't expect everyone to agree with you on a public forum?

What has disappointed me is one of your opinions on a regular contributor Ladderman:

"I merely came on here to politely answer some points made and asked, not interrupt your daily trolling session. Don't worry, I have no intention of taking your place at the trough. Good luck with that trolling, if it makes you lots of friends then all power to you. "

I'm not too up with 'internet jargon', but to describe him as a 'troll' is out of order, simply because you may not have met him & he disagrees with you! By attacking those who don't agree with you/ criticise your scheme like this I think you lose some credibility, & may actually put off anyone who might be considering signing up for your Club.



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steve walker
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I don't know anything about this new club apart from what I have read on this thread.

The thread seemed to have got hijacked by persons that seem to know each others real identities so that is a shame and we should keep that stuff off here.

There is no doubt that the myfootballclub.co.uk project has descended into a fiasco and to be fair, the diehard non-league regulars that make up this forum predicted exactly that. So it isn't really surprising that a thread about what is essentially a breakaway 'AFC myfootballclub.co.uk' should be met with equal derision on here. Good luck to those behind it but you'll do well to convince the regulars on here that it's a 'proper' non-league club.

In my experience it really isn't difficult to get involved with your local club especially at the sort of level we are taliking about this new club starting at. If you want to be more than just a supporter then clubs are normally crying out to get people involved. It seems to me that the people that subscribe to these 'MyFootballClub' teams like the thought of helping a football club but can't be assed to actually DO anything except fill in a Direct Debit. Each to his own but it doesn't really rock my boat.


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That's a good point jimmygreaves and one we debated at some length prior to launch with our friends on freemyfc. We thought about setting it lower and we even though about setting it higher! On the MyFC project (who own Ebbsfleet, as you probably know), website membership is 35. Members don't own a real share in the club and the amount an individual gets to vote on is limited. They are considering raising their subscription costs at the moment.
In comparison, our owners actually get a proper share certificate for each share they buy and a chance to shape things in a new club. Also, the Club Website Members will have the Website Membership monies as a budget to use themselves on things they want to see or want to make happen at the club. People seem to think that the 50 is reasonable for that amount of involvement and ownership - but of course, we won't know how many others would have been interested if we had set the prices lower. Just for accuracy, no-one can join the Club Website until they have bought a share, rather than the other way around - so all our Website Members are owners of the club too.


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Thank you for the explanation and good luck with your project.



"We must always consider our supporters, for without them there would be no professional football. It would be better to have more fans watching football the way they like it played, rather than have a few fans watching football the way we would like it played."


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Its a very interesting project thats for sure and i wish you all the best with it.
But am i the only one that thinks you have priced it to high. 25 for a Website membership is far to high to attract the curious. I feel many more people would show an interest if you had set the membership fee at 10 and those showing further interest would go on to purchase shares.
There's an economic downturn which will prevent many from laying 50 on an unknown team. I'm not knocking the project, far from it in fact, i just think you have scored an own goal by setting the Website fee so high.

Thanks for your comment, which I thoroughly appreciate. To be completely sincere, the cost of entry is deliberately set at a level which would provoke serious and committed consideration. Without wishing to sound exclusive we are not seeking multiple thousands of owners, merely dedicated long term participants. We decided to set out our strategy based partly on funding a club from traditional streams, ensuring stability in these difficult times, and only then offer a democratic participation and ownership of an infrastructure that was already in place.

That investment from its founders to prepare a club with virtual complete funding and an existing level of personal investment from its directors and then invite further participants to own that by buying an initial yearly issue of only a thousand shares meant that uptake should be limited to a fairly small amount of people. This isn't a project like MyFC, looking for quick money and quick ownership, but long term serious commitment. Probably only those involved in its conception on FreeMyFC and a few others looking for participation could get in at the beginning. Its not about being elitist but about being serious. We intend to take our obligation to the league, the FA, our landlords and our surrounding competition very seriously. Its not a get rich quick scheme for anyone, least of all the people who have set it up. Entrance cost is not meant to be low. I hope that makes sense.


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I think people can guess my viewpoint already...personally I can't see the point of starting up a brand new club in this manner, in such an isolated palce with two senior clubs already, to boot.

I am interested in the reasoning behind it, but am also a bit surprised at the Southill Alexander people seemingly a bit surprised at some of the negativity on here. Surely you don't expect everyone to agree with you on a public forum?

What has disappointed me is one of your opinions on a regular contributor Ladderman:

"I merely came on here to politely answer some points made and asked, not interrupt your daily trolling session. Don't worry, I have no intention of taking your place at the trough. Good luck with that trolling, if it makes you lots of friends then all power to you. "

I'm not too up with 'internet jargon', but to describe him as a 'troll' is out of order, simply because you may not have met him & he disagrees with you! By attacking those who don't agree with you/ criticise your scheme like this I think you lose some credibility, & may actually put off anyone who might be considering signing up for your Club.


Thank you for your comment and I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to all regular contributors on here if I have stepped over any lines which you consider to be unwarranted. I commenced posting here with an apology as a newcomer. I have long admired the level of debate and knowledge displayed here but signed up merely to represent as honestly as I could what Southill is really about. I suppose that I consider it my duty as one of those associated with Southill Alexander to ensure that any misrepresentations of my organisation could be answered.

I am not here to recruit, I thoroughly appreciate that contributors here already have their own clubs which they solidly and devotedly support in many ways. Southill Alexander is new, an outsider and many of us involved do come from different backgrounds (football, leagues, even countries) to those who consider this their rightful home. I can only hope that we be allowed to learn from your knowledge and ocassional advice and in other respects let our football do the talking, only then possibly earning some place among you.

I'm happy to respond to serious questions, I appreciate your cynicism, but we have put some level of work into this. We are not all alike but give us time maybe, let us earn our spurs.


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For the life of me I can't get the "quote" option to work properly for me, so I will copy and paste instead.

Loose wrote:

The irony is that we have not applied to join any division. We have applied to the SSMFL, we are relying on them to place us in whichever division they deem fit if we are fortunate enough to be accepted by the SSMFL.

/copy and paste Smile


Having joined the Southill Alexander Facebook group (free of charge I must add Tongue) I have received an email from Steve Foster, the manager, and it categorically states that "We've applied to join The Spartan South Midlands League Division 1, but we won't know of our outcome until the league AGM on May 14th"

Personally I don't blame the club for applying as high as they can, fair enough, but I don't think the SSML should allow Southill Alexander into Div 1. If it was just a case of facilities I could see a strong argument for Southill joining Div 1 if they are accepted to the SSML, but with the likes of Wodson Park and Hadley playing in Division 2 I believe it would be unjust to allow a team with no playing history to jump above them and in fact I would say there was a stronger argument for them to play at a lower level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.


Perhaps the new club should make it a priority to appoint somebody in an admin capacity - the AGM thread on the Re-structuring section of this forum gives the date of the SSML AGM as 20th June 2009, a date I have also seen quoted elsewhere.



perhaps they should appoint you steve.....or maybe you are too busy with other matters....Crazy


Paddington Bear, may I ask you nicely to observe accepted forum etiquette and not use anything other than my forum name when replying to one of my posts. Thank you.



my apologies sjj2


BigLesWade
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May 12, 2009, 8:57 AM

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Can I just ask one question which I can't see has been answered earlier in this thread.

Why have you chosen a small town that has two clubs already, both not terribly well supported, and is surrounded by other towns, villages with similar sized clubs to launch this project?

There are many other places, eg Berkhamsted, where facilities are in place but there is no local team using them.

Is it that people actually turning up on matchdays is not really that important? Are shareholders just keen on the idea of 'owning' a team and using the Carlsberg Stadium means there will be no need to spend money on facilities?


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The Carlsberg Stadium is quite centrally placed in the scheme of things and offers excellent facilities, it suits both BT and SAFC financially and as a starting point for the SA project was the number one choice when the SA Directors made their decision.

Please rest assured that many many locations were identified and several discussed before a decision was made, all north of London, so the BT location was in the area being searched from day one. Berko was a non starter from the landlords perspective.

I think the key to understanding SAFC is accepting that it is internet based as its ownership model and its starting point, clearly fans at the ground are much needed and it is almost impossible to predict what attendences can be generated there as the club finds its feet and plays its football in whatever league it is accepted in.

As always a lot would depend on success being achieved on the pitch. Once games are streamed to the owners across the lands, then hopefully those with access to the area will turn out. We shall soon find out I guess.Wink


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Even if i was remotely tempted to part with 50, I wouldn't consider it because you simply won't answer the question as to what happens if SAFC don't get into the SSML. I genuinely can't see why you're refusing to answer that question.


If I thought that you and the original asker of the question were remotely interested in being a part of Southill Alexander then maybe I would tell you. The answer is in the Terms & Conditions posted at www.southillalexanderfc.com . If someone fails the first test of not reading them then how committed could they be?


As the original asker of the question, I have again read through the T&Cs provided on the website and still cannot find the answer. Maybe there are a different set relating to share purchase as those found on the website state "2.3 Please note that site membership is separate from, and in addition to, being an SAFC Shareholder, and that these terms and conditions only relate to your use of the site and our online services."

Perhaps you could point us to the location of the share purchase T&Cs?


paignton-nick
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I can't believe anybody has the audacity to charge 25 to become a website member. Surely it should be 'by donation' or maybe 5 at best. People just can't afford to throw that kind of money at a venture that probably won't see the end of season out, and even if they could afford it, probably wouldn't choose to anyway.



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As the original asker of the question, I have again read through the T&Cs provided on the website and still cannot find the answer. Maybe there are a different set relating to share purchase as those found on the website state "2.3 Please note that site membership is separate from, and in addition to, being an SAFC Shareholder, and that these terms and conditions only relate to your use of the site and our online services."

Perhaps you could point us to the location of the share purchase T&Cs?


Felix, there are no seperate T&Cs, just one document which I commend you for reading all 5,500 words yet again. The T&Cs state that we have applied to join the SSMFL but offers no guarantee. I feel that you are getting a little hung up on this. If you buy a season ticket to watch games at your football club at the beginning of a season based on who the manager is and who is in the playing squad, and if at some point the manager changes, your favourite player leaves, the tea bar changes its brand of tea and takes burgers off the menu and substitutes with hot dogs, do you demand a refund on your season ticket?

We don't know what the SSMFLs decision will be, if you are genuinely interested then please wait until Southill Alexander FC does know and make your decision based on that, if there are any shares left. Many people have decided that they want to be a part of Southill Alexander at this early stage because they believe in it. The answer is in the T&Cs on the site if you are not happy with your shares.


Loose
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I can't believe anybody has the audacity to charge 25 to become a website member. Surely it should be 'by donation' or maybe 5 at best. People just can't afford to throw that kind of money at a venture that probably won't see the end of season out, and even if they could afford it, probably wouldn't choose to anyway.

Hi paignton-nick, although its a subscription set at 25, none of the money goes towards running the site, all 25 goes into the clubs funds which the owners then decide how it will be spent. For sure its a serious amount of money, its meant to be. If you wouldn't pay it then fair enough, but can I ask you how much you spent the last time you went out for a meal and a drink with a "significant other"? Can I suggest that if it was less then 25 then it was an extremely cheap date and possibly not as memorable as being able to decide how a football club is run?

Anyway, I am not here to recruit shareholders and your criticism is entirely valid.


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Felix
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As the original asker of the question, I have again read through the T&Cs provided on the website and still cannot find the answer. Maybe there are a different set relating to share purchase as those found on the website state "2.3 Please note that site membership is separate from, and in addition to, being an SAFC Shareholder, and that these terms and conditions only relate to your use of the site and our online services."

Perhaps you could point us to the location of the share purchase T&Cs?


Felix, there are no seperate T&Cs, just one document which I commend you for reading all 5,500 words yet again. The T&Cs state that we have applied to join the SSMFL but offers no guarantee. I feel that you are getting a little hung up on this. If you buy a season ticket to watch games at your football club at the beginning of a season based on who the manager is and who is in the playing squad, and if at some point the manager changes, your favourite player leaves, the tea bar changes its brand of tea and takes burgers off the menu and substitutes with hot dogs, do you demand a refund on your season ticket?

We don't know what the SSMFLs decision will be, if you are genuinely interested then please wait until Southill Alexander FC does know and make your decision based on that, if there are any shares left. Many people have decided that they want to be a part of Southill Alexander at this early stage because they believe in it. The answer is in the T&Cs on the site if you are not happy with your shares.


Those examples aren't quite the same as having a league to play in or not. That's a bit more serious than the lack of burgers.

The only other item would "21.2 To the extent permitted by applicable law, our total aggregate liability to you under or in connection with these terms and conditions, the site and our services (whether such liability arises under any statute or in contract, tort or otherwise) shall be limited to GBP100."

As you say, we'll all have to wait for the SSML's decision. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting!


Loose
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As the original asker of the question, I have again read through the T&Cs provided on the website and still cannot find the answer. Maybe there are a different set relating to share purchase as those found on the website state "2.3 Please note that site membership is separate from, and in addition to, being an SAFC Shareholder, and that these terms and conditions only relate to your use of the site and our online services."

Perhaps you could point us to the location of the share purchase T&Cs?


Felix, there are no seperate T&Cs, just one document which I commend you for reading all 5,500 words yet again. The T&Cs state that we have applied to join the SSMFL but offers no guarantee. I feel that you are getting a little hung up on this. If you buy a season ticket to watch games at your football club at the beginning of a season based on who the manager is and who is in the playing squad, and if at some point the manager changes, your favourite player leaves, the tea bar changes its brand of tea and takes burgers off the menu and substitutes with hot dogs, do you demand a refund on your season ticket?

We don't know what the SSMFLs decision will be, if you are genuinely interested then please wait until Southill Alexander FC does know and make your decision based on that, if there are any shares left. Many people have decided that they want to be a part of Southill Alexander at this early stage because they believe in it. The answer is in the T&Cs on the site if you are not happy with your shares.


Those examples aren't quite the same as having a league to play in or not. That's a bit more serious than the lack of burgers.

The only other item would "21.2 To the extent permitted by applicable law, our total aggregate liability to you under or in connection with these terms and conditions, the site and our services (whether such liability arises under any statute or in contract, tort or otherwise) shall be limited to GBP100."

As you say, we'll all have to wait for the SSML's decision. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting!


Felix, I can't help but feel that you have your priorities hopelessly mixed up. Surely a burger is the most important feature! :)

I'm sure you can understand that I am quite keen to hear from the SSMFL too, although it has been stated on here that some contributors believe that the discussion and decision will take place on the 20th June, we have to accept our latest communication from the SSMFL officials as the 14th May. Perhaps then you can decide how to spend your 50. Thanks for your interest.


maxpower
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i come at this as a traditional non league supporter and i ask the following questions:
Q are southill taking fans away from another club?
A no they are bringing in new fans who are not deserting another club.
Q are they increasing interest in non league football
A yes to the extent that their supporters will be international 99% of which probably had no idea of the existence of the Spartan South Midlands League (if they are of course accepted)
Q are they wrong to apply to the SSML as a new club
A from what i know they are hoping to join non league at step6/7 which is exactly the same as FC United,AFC Wimbledon, Enfield Town and countless other new clubs so they dont appear to be asking for any favours.
as far as i can make out most of the arguments against them are based on a kind of snobbery,maybe your right after all the last thing we need is new fans and capital coming into non league football as of course we are already awash with both aren't we.


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I can't believe anybody has the audacity to charge 25 to become a website member. Surely it should be 'by donation' or maybe 5 at best. People just can't afford to throw that kind of money at a venture that probably won't see the end of season out, and even if they could afford it, probably wouldn't choose to anyway.

Hi paignton-nick, although its a subscription set at 25, none of the money goes towards running the site, all 25 goes into the clubs funds which the owners then decide how it will be spent. For sure its a serious amount of money, its meant to be. If you wouldn't pay it then fair enough, but can I ask you how much you spent the last time you went out for a meal and a drink with a "significant other"? Can I suggest that if it was less then 25 then it was an extremely cheap date and possibly not as memorable as being able to decide how a football club is run?

Anyway, I am not here to recruit shareholders and your criticism is entirely valid.


How can you compare the two? They are totally unrelated.



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Loose
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I can't believe anybody has the audacity to charge 25 to become a website member. Surely it should be 'by donation' or maybe 5 at best. People just can't afford to throw that kind of money at a venture that probably won't see the end of season out, and even if they could afford it, probably wouldn't choose to anyway.

Hi paignton-nick, although its a subscription set at 25, none of the money goes towards running the site, all 25 goes into the clubs funds which the owners then decide how it will be spent. For sure its a serious amount of money, its meant to be. If you wouldn't pay it then fair enough, but can I ask you how much you spent the last time you went out for a meal and a drink with a "significant other"? Can I suggest that if it was less then 25 then it was an extremely cheap date and possibly not as memorable as being able to decide how a football club is run?

Anyway, I am not here to recruit shareholders and your criticism is entirely valid.


How can you compare the two? They are totally unrelated.


I did my best to answer your point, I explained that they are not just subscribing to a website but making a deposit of funds in effect that they will have complete control of spending in the interests of the club, I attempted to demonstrate that whilst 25 is a considerable sum, it was meant to be and was at the same time no greater a sum then could be spent on a meal and a couple of drinks. If you don't want to answer my question thats fine. I'm not here to score points or keep score, just respond to points made and asked. Thanks for your interest.


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I did my best to answer your question, I explained that they are not just subscribing to a website but making a deposit of funds in effect that they will have complete control of spending in the interests of the club, I attempted to demonstrate that whilst 25 is a considerable sum, it was meant to be and was at the same time no greater a sum then could be spent on a meal and a couple of drinks. If you don't want to answer my question thats fine. I'm not here to score points or keep score, just respond to points made and asked. Thanks for your interest.


The only reason I didn't answer your question is the fact i can't remember, it was a while agoUnsure, however questioning what someone's personal spend is, seems to me to be unresonable.



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Loose
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paignton-nick, I know ticket prices vary greatly across Non League but last time I attended a conference game I spent 13 on entry, maybe 10 on drinks in the bar with friends, 4 or 5 on food, a couple of quid on a programme and 10 on petrol to get there and back. All on one game and well worth it, its a good day out. 25 on deciding how the club is run when I can make such an easy decision to spend a comparable or greater amount on seeing a game and enjoying the matchday experience is not such a leap in reality for me. Its all about personal preference at the end of the day. Perhaps I should have asked you how you spend your money supporting your team. Wink I apologise if discussing your social life spending was unreasonable.


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If you're truly going to be a member's club with all that entails, shouldn't those things have been decided properly (along with the appointment of club officials etc.) at the primary AGM, not by a number of "interested parties"?


they were, carry on please


Fair enough.

I wish you well in getting this venture off the ground, but not in your application to the Spartan South Midlands League (I think my viewpoint on this is well known on here, all new teams should start out at the very bottom in that area, which I assume at Biggleswade would be the Bedfordshire League Division Three, and from then the prime driver for promotion up the scale is performance on the pitch.)

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while i will admit that there could be a debate on whether Southill should start at step 6 or 7 to propose that they start at division 3 in the bedfordshire league is absurd,when afc wimbledon were formed would you have had them playing pub teams for 5 years. obviously some people dont understand the difference between junior and senior football.


Rob North
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In a nutshell we have a request for investors in a 'club' that:

a) is ground sharing team in a town of aproximately 16,000 inhabitants which already has two senior football teams

and

b) at this time has no league to play in next season.

As far as investment opportunities go that doesn't strike me as one of the more sound ones.

Surely anyone with the sum of money requested would be better off joining a local 'small club' where they might be better placed to directly take part in the activities of the club?

Rob


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In a nutshell we have a request for investors in a 'club' that:

a) is ground sharing team in a town of aproximately 16,000 inhabitants which already has two senior football teams

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b) at this time has no league to play in next season.

As far as investment opportunities go that doesn't strike me as one of the more sound ones.

Surely anyone with the sum of money requested would be better off joining a local 'small club' where they might be better placed to directly take part in the activities of the club?

Rob


Rob North, thank you for your points.
I certainly would not argue with you, however could you please tell me how many local "small clubs" will allow you to offer them 50 and let you have a direct influence and impact on the activities of the club, I am very interested in how they would stack up as a proposition in direct comparison with Southill Alexander? If I approach Didcot Town or Reading even with my 50 expecting to decide what future direction they take, how they should manage their finances and expect to see all information relevant to the management of the club what reaction can I expect?

Of course, many people will choose to support their existing local small club at the level at which they are comfortable. Some people do not want the responsibility of owning a "club" or risking their money as an investment.


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There are 1000's of small football clubs in the UK who are members' only clubs. Once you pay your membership fee it entitles you to attend the AGM and vote on club policy. Although I have moved away from the area, to the best of my knowledge Didcot Town FC remains a members' club and as such it is possible for their supporters to have some say in the running of the club. In fact the club positively encourage people to get involved.

As a Championship club then of course I wouldn't expect to have a direct influence at Reading. Perchance a miraclehappened and your venture took you into the Football League are you really saying you leave decisions to the masses.

My observation is that I would be much happier paying the membership fee to join one of my local clubs, say Crossgates Primrose, Kelty Hearts or Rosyth as two examples, than I would a club which has no ground to call their own and no league to play in.

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Not taking sides here but you can join Cambridge City Supporter's Trust for 10 p.a. and have a say in running the club as it is entirely owned by the Trust.


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There are 1000's of small football clubs in the UK who are members' only clubs. Once you pay your membership fee it entitles you to attend the AGM and vote on club policy. Although I have moved away from the area, to the best of my knowledge Didcot Town FC remains a members' club and as such it is possible for their supporters to have some say in the running of the club. In fact the club positively encourage people to get involved.

As a Championship club then of course I wouldn't expect to have a direct influence at Reading. Perchance a miraclehappened and your venture took you into the Football League are you really saying you leave decisions to the masses.

My observation is that I would be much happier paying the membership fee to join one of my local clubs, say Crossgates Primrose, Kelty Hearts or Rosyth as two examples, than I would a club which has no ground to call their own and no league to play in.

Rob

Thank you Rob,
Of course there are many thousands of small football clubs in the UK who take memberships, in what way is this actual ownership of those clubs? Are you talking about shareholders or members? At Southill you can choose to just vote once a year at the AGM or even if applicable at an EGM but you can also choose to involve yourself at a more operational level, making short and medium term decisions. A little more involving perhaps.

In no way would I knock those people who support their local clubs in the way that they choose, we are not looking to lure those people away from their loyalties and traditional expectations. I feel that you maybe have misunderstood one simple premise, Southill Alexander is not seeking the "masses". Southill Alexander does not need thousands of anonymous, "remote" owners. If Southill Alexander ever acheived very lofty league status I am sure many would like to join such an involvment, however the rewards will be for the much smaller amount of people who believed in building something from scratch, put their money..where their mouths were..so to speak, would reap that almost unimaginable reward. Please understand, SAFC do not need fairweather, gloryhunting owners in their thousands, we just want a competent commited core of involved owners.

Maybe we are hard to understand.


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Not taking sides here but you can join Cambridge City Supporter's Trust for 10 p.a. and have a say in running the club as it is entirely owned by the Trust.



Thank you BigLesWade, are Cambridge a new club, just starting out, setting out its own aims and constitution, building a team and infrastructure? A fresh project?

You are talking about being a member of a trust, a supporters trust for a yearly fee. I'll take a look at what they offer and how involved I could be as a newcomer to the club and supporters trust for my 10. Would my 10 buy me a shareholding in Cambridge City and the right to tell them how to spend it? Thanks meanwhile.


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while i will admit that there could be a debate on whether Southill should start at step 6 or 7 to propose that they start at division 3 in the bedfordshire league is absurd,when afc wimbledon were formed would you have had them playing pub teams for 5 years. obviously some people dont understand the difference between junior and senior football.


a) yes I would have had AFC Wimbledon starting at the bottom (and I know all the arguments against, we've had them ad nauseam on both sides over the last three years)

b) Why is it absurd to request Southill Alexander to start at the bottom? They are a new club, the same as dozens of other new clubs across the country that will be formed this summer. Whey do they deserve to jump straight into what you call "senior football"?

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No, they are an existing club that suffered badly at the hands of previous Board members. All they have to do is maintain their own ground, keep players on a very tight budget and run a club at Southern League Premier level.


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No, they are an existing club that suffered badly at the hands of previous Board members. All they have to do is maintain their own ground, keep players on a very tight budget and run a club at Southern League Premier level.


And I wish them very well in their endeavours. Now you mention it, I may have heard of them before.

Hopefully they would wish another, smaller group of dedicated football fans well in any endeavour they chose to undertake.


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On the footballing matter I'm with Richard Rundle on this one.


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I would like to wish everyone at Southill Alexander the very best of luck, wherever you play next season. I hope that those setting up the club have done the maths and know it can work. I would have thought going straight into Step 6 might be a little optimistic, and I hope you have contingency plans in place. Enjoy your club, meet new people and I'm sure you'll have a great time!


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Thanks a lot fishy for the kind words, it's appreciated! Smile


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On the footballing matter I'm with Richard Rundle on this one.



And so am I. How can you possibly give a new club without any track record senior status, and as we have discussed elsewhere, what exactly does this mean anyway ? And don't quote AFC Wimbledon because as we have also discussed that was also blatantly wrong !


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Veteran, I have had no indication from the SSMFL at any stage that we should not be applying to them. Our documents have been submitted as requested. We have replied to emails and answered questions as appropriate. I think that the officials would have said something to us six months ago if they felt we had approached the wrong League - they have been helpful to us all along and have never indicated that our request to be considered for membership will not be taken as seriously as anyone else's.


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As this is still on the Biggleswade United website, I presume that it is still up and running:



FM


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On the footballing matter I'm with Richard Rundle on this one.



And so am I. How can you possibly give a new club without any track record senior status, and as we have discussed elsewhere, what exactly does this mean anyway ? And don't quote AFC Wimbledon because as we have also discussed that was also blatantly wrong !



not so sure the blazers got it wrong with afcw at all to be honest when you look at the trouble they had a few years ago when starting out at 6 and finding grounds that couldn't contain their fans...personally I think they got it dead right but that's just my opinion veteran as indeed you have stated yours, both a little subjective but the truth often is IMO...Wink must also say I never heard any club blazers moaning when afcw came to town...!!

now I know that SA will not generate large crowds for a while if at all but this is after all an internet society of owners who seek to fulfill their quest to help the manager run a team and make decisions on the way forward, having seen the spread sheets I can say that the club has funds for a level 5 team who could compete and also to cover its commitments for 2 years at the very least...so at level 6 it should be easy peasy eh..Wink

but it won't be will it... and therefore spurs need to be won and respect hopefully if begrudgingly earned but it will be different and a whole heap of fun along the way, oh and by the way don't underestimate the board or the intellect and experience of the owners, these are mostly professional people with high incomes and much savvy...

reserve judgement by all means and I understand fully why, but in 3 years time at the outside SA will play beyond level 5, thats why people will invest in the shares and who knows, one day...!!Cool


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Totally agree with VETERAN no new club should start at that level, i don't care who they are, inc AFC Wimbledon, all new clubs start at the bottom and if you win your league and your ground is up to that level ok get your promotion, not jump in half way up the ladder.


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The simple truth is that only 'The Pyramid'¹ has 'official status' per se when it comes to consideration of the point of entry within 'the pyramid'² for new/replacement teams. The official opine of any/all football beneath the base of The Pyramid is clearly that all clubs/teams are 'of a level' and are generally considered solely then in terms of what infrastructure they may own or at least have made available to them.

There are separate issues involved with teams who groundshare. Not those who are genuinely awaiting the go-ahead to move into a new/refurbished ground, which I think is fair enough - but those who are set up without or end up without a ground of their own, without proper planning permission at the very least to rectify the situation. I am not in favour of allowing the latter at all, however I do see cause to allow these ventures their existence at the very lowest reaches of The Pyramid - without promotional chance - at least until planning permission is granted. I don't want to completely stifle the creative process.
Otherwise, I see no problem with any newly invested club effecting an 'equal partnership' groundshare ad infinitem, without penalty.

Note that the base of The Pyramid is technically Step 6 at present, shortly to be amended to include Step 7 and there have been rumours/statements stating that Step 8 could soon follow - but would likely be the final level to be included in the official system. Some Leagues own Divisions which lie on either side of the Step/not-Step boundary and it is the Leagues' discretion whether they already operate an official minimum standard at those levels and indeed, whatever that minimal standard might be.

The situation is thus that any team may apply to join at the very base of The Pyramid (presently, normally at Step 6) unless there exists no suitable League within the area - in which case consideration would be given to entry one level higher, as is currently the situation in Essex & Kent.

It is normal; when teams already established within the pyramid apply for entry to the base of The Pyramid; that only those teams competing within the topmost divisions of the non-Pyramid Leagues may gain entry... although this is sunject to individual evaluation, especially if teams from erstwhile parallel Leagues are actually of varying levels of skill.

'The Pyramid'¹ - those parts of the footballing macrocosm, considered to be the pinnacle of non-League achievement, graded into Leagues over (presently) six levels, so divided based upon a combination of playing prowess and infrastructure considerations.

'the pyramid'² - all non-League clubs/teams, including those not already accepted into The Pyramid and who are of somewhat varying degrees of playing prowess and/or infrastructure, but generally considered to be inferior to those already included within The Pyramid.



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pyramid a1?? pyramid a2? sorry are you referring to senior and junior football?? all teams in senior football up to step 6 have to have floodlights and fully enclosed grounds. someone earlier mentioned that southill should have to start in bedfordshire league division 3, that is a junior league, why should a senior club join a junior league?? sorry i dont mean to labour the point but junior clubs play in junior leagues and senior clubs play in senior leagues. I dont quite know how they could mix because senior clubs play mid week matches under floodlights while junior clubs cant do that of course.
can someone please give me a list of junior clubs in the bedfordshire league who are in the process of enclosing their grounds and putting up floodlights so they can join the spartan south midlands league, thank you.


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pyramid a1?? pyramid a2? sorry are you referring to senior and junior football?? all teams in senior football up to step 6 have to have floodlights and fully enclosed grounds. someone earlier mentioned that southill should have to start in bedfordshire league division 3, that is a junior league, why should a senior club join a junior league?? sorry i dont mean to labour the point but junior clubs play in junior leagues and senior clubs play in senior leagues. I dont quite know how they could mix because senior clubs play mid week matches under floodlights while junior clubs cant do that of course.
can someone please give me a list of junior clubs in the bedfordshire league who are in the process of enclosing their grounds and putting up floodlights so they can join the spartan south midlands league, thank you.



Not the case at all. Maybe the intention, but not the reality ! Plus, of course, it is complete bollox - tens of thousands of pounds expenditure so that a dozen folk can turn up and watch meaningless midweek cup matches ? In a recession ? Get the white coats..................


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I view this discussion with interest, but as a neutral. I am intrigued that the club is "already fully funded". By who?, and under what conditions?
I have read the Q&A session, but not the terms and conditions (which are long, and I do not have the time at the moment). With MyFC, it appeared that the people running the web site were going to pick up a tidy profit on their dealings, and I wonder whether this is the case here as well.

I appreciate your question leohoenig. As I have already said elsewhere Southill Alexander has already secured a large amount of funding through sponsorship and benefactors. Sponsorship under normal conditions, benefactors under altruistic conditions, not one is under any contract to receive any more than advertising and to some extent the normal hospitality of attending matches at the Carlsberg Stadium and supporting Non League Football at a brand new club. Any other details, such as they may be are proprietal information for consumption, debate, or even approval by shareholding club website members.


Further to the question from Leo earlier on in this thread, as a potential shareholder I am interested in who these sponsors and benefactors are?



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pyramid a1?? pyramid a2? sorry are you referring to senior and junior football?? all teams in senior football up to step 6 have to have floodlights and fully enclosed grounds. someone earlier mentioned that southill should have to start in bedfordshire league division 3, that is a junior league, why should a senior club join a junior league?? sorry i dont mean to labour the point but junior clubs play in junior leagues and senior clubs play in senior leagues. I dont quite know how they could mix because senior clubs play mid week matches under floodlights while junior clubs cant do that of course.
can someone please give me a list of junior clubs in the bedfordshire league who are in the process of enclosing their grounds and putting up floodlights so they can join the spartan south midlands league, thank you.



Not the case at all. Maybe the intention, but not the reality ! Plus, of course, it is complete bollox - tens of thousands of pounds expenditure so that a dozen folk can turn up and watch meaningless midweek cup matches ? In a recession ? Get the white coats..................



ah yes...as true as it is we all must be mad must we not? as NL is hardly the stuff of the maracana or the nou camp or the santiago or the old trafford is it and if it were we wouldn't be doing it....crikey...give me a freezing cold night on a concrete terrace in the midlands next to a dozen local loons and three dogs along with a cup of thick bovril and a real pukka steak pie and you can stick a night in with the latest page three model.....Wink


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pyramid a1?? pyramid a2? sorry are you referring to senior and junior football?? all teams in senior football up to step 6 have to have floodlights and fully enclosed grounds. someone earlier mentioned that southill should have to start in bedfordshire league division 3, that is a junior league, why should a senior club join a junior league?? sorry i dont mean to labour the point but junior clubs play in junior leagues and senior clubs play in senior leagues. I dont quite know how they could mix because senior clubs play mid week matches under floodlights while junior clubs cant do that of course.
can someone please give me a list of junior clubs in the bedfordshire league who are in the process of enclosing their grounds and putting up floodlights so they can join the spartan south midlands league, thank you.



Not the case at all. Maybe the intention, but not the reality ! Plus, of course, it is complete bollox - tens of thousands of pounds expenditure so that a dozen folk can turn up and watch meaningless midweek cup matches ? In a recession ? Get the white coats..................



ah yes...as true as it is we all must be mad must we not? as NL is hardly the stuff of the maracana or the nou camp or the santiago or the old trafford is it and if it were we wouldn't be doing it....crikey...give me a freezing cold night on a concrete terrace in the midlands next to a dozen local loons and three dogs along with a cup of thick bovril and a real pukka steak pie and you can stick a night in with the latest page three model.....Wink



Well, yes, kind of. The point I was making is that is verging on the insane (for the FA) to insist that clubs down to the TENTH level of football nationally must invest in floodlighting systems which then result in clubs having to play Mickey Mouse midweek games in order to justify having the lights. It doesn't happen in any other country and it shouldn't happen here that far down the pyramid.
Trouble is, it's good for hopping.....


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I view this discussion with interest, but as a neutral. I am intrigued that the club is "already fully funded". By who?, and under what conditions?
I have read the Q&A session, but not the terms and conditions (which are long, and I do not have the time at the moment). With MyFC, it appeared that the people running the web site were going to pick up a tidy profit on their dealings, and I wonder whether this is the case here as well.

I appreciate your question leohoenig. As I have already said elsewhere Southill Alexander has already secured a large amount of funding through sponsorship and benefactors. Sponsorship under normal conditions, benefactors under altruistic conditions, not one is under any contract to receive any more than advertising and to some extent the normal hospitality of attending matches at the Carlsberg Stadium and supporting Non League Football at a brand new club. Any other details, such as they may be are proprietal information for consumption, debate, or even approval by shareholding club website members.


Further to the question from Leo earlier on in this thread, as a potential shareholder I am interested in who these sponsors and benefactors are?



the benefactors wish to remain anonymous as they are from Columbia and like to keep away from the spotlight....Cool

the main sponsors will be announced on the official site later next week and hopefully shall be covered by the footballing press...


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the benefactors wish to remain anonymous as they are from Columbia and like to keep away from the spotlight....Cool



thats a relief...............i thought it might be you Wink


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Well, yes, kind of. The point I was making is that is verging on the insane (for the FA) to insist that clubs down to the TENTH level of football nationally must invest in floodlighting systems which then result in clubs having to play Mickey Mouse midweek games in order to justify having the lights. It doesn't happen in any other country and it shouldn't happen here that far down the pyramid.
Trouble is, it's good for hopping.....


What about reserves and youth teams? There's a lot more to a football club than just it's first team or are you one of those who thinks anything other than first team football shouldn't exist?

I don't know if you've ever been involved with running a club but, from your postings, I can only assume you haven't as your views differ from just about everyone who's involved in a club I've ever met.
Who's opinions matter - clubs or hoppers? I'd say the former.


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the benefactors wish to remain anonymous as they are from Columbia and like to keep away from the spotlight....Cool



thats a relief...............i thought it might be you Wink



lol that made me larf....Sly

mind you the irony was also quite funny as I also knew it wouldn't be you....Wink


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I don't know if you've ever been involved with running a club



OH HE HAS!!


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mind you the irony was also quite funny


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Be careful ladderman, I haven't bankrupted any club and if you persist in making those allegations I will take whatever action I have to, I have put millions into NL football across several clubs who wouldn't be there today without my generosity and the records show that. I can walk into the ryman league and essex fa headquarters anytime I choose and receive a warm welcome from good friends there, you however are a forum bully and a coward and I look forward to meeting with you so you can accuse me of these things to my face. I won't hold my breath. You guys are always so transparent when you leave your keyboards.

I don't care if you ban him or not Admin but be warned ladderman, threaten me or libel me one more time and you will regret it.


I FOUND THIS POST RATHER IRONIC ALSO Wink


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OH HE HAS!!

you seem to have lost the plot archer....he was not answering me but the groundhopper...Cool do keep up and please try and understand the irony of your cut and paste....although I suspect it will fly over your keyboard..(sorry head) Angelic


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I don't know if you've ever been involved with running a club



OH HE HAS!!


Oh well. Perhaps it's just the way I read the fella's posts on this forum. I have to say that I disagree with nearly everything he says regarding the way clubs and the pyramid are run.
There's nothing wrong with differing viewpoints but I always find opinion disguised as fact an unattractive trait.

Back to Southill Alexander....


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As the original asker of the question, I have again read through the T&Cs provided on the website and still cannot find the answer. Maybe there are a different set relating to share purchase as those found on the website state "2.3 Please note that site membership is separate from, and in addition to, being an SAFC Shareholder, and that these terms and conditions only relate to your use of the site and our online services."

Perhaps you could point us to the location of the share purchase T&Cs?


Felix, there are no seperate T&Cs, just one document which I commend you for reading all 5,500 words yet again.

Have you made this point expicit in your document, and if not, why not?



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No, we saw no reason to state that they were the only T&Cs as that, we believed was the normal practice, nor did we make it clear that they were 5,500 words long in case we miss counted and then later someone demanded a refund based on there being more or less.

Thanks for your interest.


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The other point I'd like to make is this. I am, to my eternal agony, a supporter of Tottenham Hotspur. We are the worlds best at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory; the masters of turning a drama into a crisis; the experts at under achievement. But despite these shortcomings and the pain my club puts me through the minute they walk onto the pitch, I'd never support another club. They are part of my life as much as (although not as important as) my family.

We have had numerous managers since the great Keith Burkinshaw left us in 1984 and have never reached the heights that we once aspired to. But I can't imagine that even the worst of the managers that we have had could be as bad as a bunch of fee paying, unqualified, tacticly unversed, wanabe managers that you guys seem to envisage having control of the club.

Imagine this. You are passionate about your football club. You want them to be successful. A manager comes in and has a strategy. But hang on, the subscribers don't like the managers strategy. They don't like his team selection either. So the manager is told who to pick because the subscribers pick the team. Then the manager has to formulate a tactical strategy to beat the opposition with a team that he hasn't chosen.

Would you want this scenario for the club you love? The fact is that football is not, and never has been, a democracy. The most successful teams have been produced by dictators. As much as I dislike the man there is no doubt that Sir Alex Ferguson is a great manager. Do you honestly believe that he would a have been successful in a club where the team is picked by the shareholders?

It's all very well having supporters on board making decisions regarding the direction a club is taking. I'm fully supportive of those clubs that give the fans a voice. But the fact is that the only voice that should be important in the dressing room is that of the manager. He should decide who to buy and sell (with the boards approval based on financial considerations) and he should decide on the team selection and tactics.

In a club run on conventional lines, if the team fails the manager gets the sack. If the team fails when the shareholders are picking the team who gets the sack then?



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The other point I'd like to make is this. I am, to my eternal agony, a supporter of Tottenham Hotspur. We are the worlds best at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory; the masters of turning a drama into a crisis; the experts at under achievement. But despite these shortcomings and the pain my club puts me through the minute they walk onto the pitch, I'd never support another club. They are part of my life as much as (although not as important as) my family.

We have had numerous managers since the great Keith Burkinshaw left us in 1984 and have never reached the heights that we once aspired to. But I can't imagine that even the worst of the managers that we have had could be as bad as a bunch of fee paying, unqualified, tacticly unversed, wanabe managers that you guys seem to envisage having control of the club.

Imagine this. You are passionate about your football club. You want them to be successful. A manager comes in and has a strategy. But hang on, the subscribers don't like the managers strategy. They don't like his team selection either. So the manager is told who to pick because the subscribers pick the team. Then the manager has to formulate a tactical strategy to beat the opposition with a team that he hasn't chosen.

Would you want this scenario for the club you love? The fact is that football is not, and never has been, a democracy. The most successful teams have been produced by dictators. As much as I dislike the man there is no doubt that Sir Alex Ferguson is a great manager. Do you honestly believe that he would a have been successful in a club where the team is picked by the shareholders?

It's all very well having supporters on board making decisions regarding the direction a club is taking. I'm fully supportive of those clubs that give the fans a voice. But the fact is that the only voice that should be important in the dressing room is that of the manager. He should decide who to buy and sell (with the boards approval based on financial considerations) and he should decide on the team selection and tactics.

In a club run on conventional lines, if the team fails the manager gets the sack. If the team fails when the shareholders are picking the team who gets the sack then?

I completely sympathise, you should seek counselling, perhaps deprogramming, the cult of Tottenham Hotspurs is all pervasive, wicked, some would say. Seek help.

As to the rest of your comments can I point out that at Southill Alexander the Manager is given a budget, he selects his playing squad and picks his match team, not the owners.

I believe MyFC used "Pick the Team" as a "strapline" to attract participants. They still use it despite members never having actually picked a team instead of their Head Coach Liam Daish. Its an interesting concept that its founder Will Brooks once claimed that he had dreamed up after reading a book called "The Wisdom of Crowds", although he later recanted and admitted that as a former advertising copywriter it just "sounded good".

The participants of Southill Alexander will not Pick the Team, except in their heads, down the pub or on the sites forum in "conversation". However, the shareholders will certainly be entitled as owners to make their feelings and powers felt depending on the success of the manager.

I hope that answers your point and definitely distances us from something which we do not offer, make no offers to or intend to.


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I have removed one post because the writer attempted to put a name to one of the posters. I think it was a joke, but he referred to a real person. You are only allowed to mention your own real name, or refer to others once they have outed themselves.

For example, you can call me leohoenig, leo or Mr Hoenig. (One or two other posters may use other names, but these are posters that I know). These are current rules, so do not remind me if I have broken them in the past.

It is clear that Loose and Paddington Bear are closely involved in this project, and I ask them to consider detailing exactly what their involvement is. Information about positions held in the past may also be of interest to potential investors.

I also would think that the intended budget of a 'democratic' step 6 club would be published. Is this on the web site. How much of the income is to come from subscribers? How much from sponsorship and other commercial activity? How much from gate income?

If there is a benefactor/investor who is guaranteeing the project for the first two years, and it appears from the posts so far that this is the case, then I would not want to consider investing without knowing who this was, what his agenda is, and also his past activities.

May I again remind the other posters, that it is down to individual posters to decide how much to reveal. You must not 'blow their cover'



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Leo (if I may make so bold as to call you that) - I promise not to reveal the true identity of "millionaire" Paddington Bear or Loose, or Darter.
And I'm sorry that I outed Paddington as "Uncle".


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Perhaps you should have told one of your fellow moderators (Jamesie) that before he recently posted my real name on here without my permission!

And yes, the reference to the person famous for selling land was a joke! Obviously!


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Better still send your money to Darwin FC and save a real club with history and a beating community soul.


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I have removed one post because the writer attempted to put a name to one of the posters. I think it was a joke, but he referred to a real person. You are only allowed to mention your own real name, or refer to others once they have outed themselves.

For example, you can call me leohoenig, leo or Mr Hoenig. (One or two other posters may use other names, but these are posters that I know). These are current rules, so do not remind me if I have broken them in the past.

It is clear that Loose and Paddington Bear are closely involved in this project, and I ask them to consider detailing exactly what their involvement is. Information about positions held in the past may also be of interest to potential investors.

I also would think that the intended budget of a 'democratic' step 6 club would be published. Is this on the web site. How much of the income is to come from subscribers? How much from sponsorship and other commercial activity? How much from gate income?

If there is a benefactor/investor who is guaranteeing the project for the first two years, and it appears from the posts so far that this is the case, then I would not want to consider investing without knowing who this was, what his agenda is, and also his past activities.

May I again remind the other posters, that it is down to individual posters to decide how much to reveal. You must not 'blow their cover'


Thank you leohoenig, I'm quite sure that you will have your hands full with Paddington Bear but hopefully I have not infringed on "netiequette" by addressing anyone by their real name. Whilst I am very proud to be associated with Mr Paddington Bear in this project, he can speak for himself and I assure you that I will most certainly speak for myself.

I am the CEO of Southill Alexander, a grand title for someone who so far represents a football club yet to begin playing. A football club "in waiting" so to speak. My contact details are on the site, any genuine investor may contact me to request details of my suitability to represent a club that they may wish to become involved with. On here I am just a "Loose", you may address me as "Loose", Lo Ose", "Mr Loose" or any combination you see fit, preferably a polite combination. Wink

The intended budget IS published on the website and is the proprietal information belonging to its shareholders, if they choose to make it public that is a matter for them however from my experience of business you do not hand your competitors "competitive advantage" over you, on a plate. Perhaps you will put me right. The SSMFL have quite rightly requested that they view this information and can ascertain that we can fulfil our obligations to the league and our sponsors, benefactors and investors, not least of all any fans should we get any. It is not information for the public domain in my opinion.

We have not, and I have not made any statements on this forum or anywhere else to the effect that there is an "benefactor/investor who is guaranteeing the project for the first two years" and would question your motive in making such an assertion or assumption. You may choose to invest in Southill Alexander or not, personally, I am more than content to date with associating myself with ALL current investors to date. I have made comments so far that Southill Alexander has secured sponsorship and support from benefactors, when we are ready, we will anoounce those details. To those involved in Southill Alexander, first. That is the way it should always be, not on an outside forum.

On a personal note, I would encourage you not to consider investing in Southill Alexander FC Mr. Hoenig, I don't think its your sort of project. Thank you.

I am quite happy to continue to respond politely to points made about Southill Alexander and to correct any misrepresentations implied or made on this forum about an organisation I am proud to be involved in.


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Just a quick question why was the club called southill alexander ?


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Just a quick question why was the club called southill alexander ?


The Carlsberg Stadium is situated in the Parish of Southill. The Parish also had a famous Bishop called Alexander during the 14th century. Hopefully a quick answer, thanks for your question.


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Just a quick question why was the club called Southill Alexander?


Southill is a village three miles to the south-west of Biggleswade.


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Thanks for your answer, was there any particular reason why this area was chosen geographically, were people connected with the formation of the club from that area or was it because of the desire to play at the carlsberg stadium.
thanks


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Thanks for your answer, was there any particular reason why this area was chosen geographically, were people connected with the formation of the club from that area or was it because of the desire to play at the carlsberg stadium.
thanks

I hope you do not mind but Paddington Bear answered a similar question to yours earlier in the thread:-

"The Carlsberg Stadium is quite centrally placed in the scheme of things and offers excellent facilities, it suits both BT and SAFC financially and as a starting point for the SA project was the number one choice when the SA Directors made their decision.

Please rest assured that many many locations were identified and several discussed before a decision was made, all north of London, so the BT location was in the area being searched from day one. Berko was a non starter from the landlords perspective.

I think the key to understanding SAFC is accepting that it is internet based as its ownership model and its starting point, clearly fans at the ground are much needed and it is almost impossible to predict what attendences can be generated there as the club finds its feet and plays its football in whatever league it is accepted in.

As always a lot would depend on success being achieved on the pitch. Once games are streamed to the owners across the lands, then hopefully those with access to the area will turn out. We shall soon find out I guess.Wink "

I hope that answers your question. Thanks.


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my name is paddington bear and I registered it by deed poll as I liked the name and I also like marmalade..stealing it that is...Crazy

I am not a member of SA and I am not a shareholder....far to expensive for little old paddington at the moment....Darter however has a rather tidy little derriere...a part of the female anatomy which I am quite partial to and loose has a penchant for serving excellent hot roast beef sandwiches to his guests...so I decided to help them in their quest for a new club....hopefully that advice will prove to be good advice...we shall see....

I would therefore urge you all on the basis of the insider knowledge that I have supplied to rush out and buy as many shares as you can before the yanks take over....if anyone asks where the tip came from don't mention my name...Cool


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I like those Marmite tv adverts with Paddington Bear in them. However I prefer the double glazing tv adverts - "you buy one you get one free, I say you buy one you get one free".

I could do with some new double glazing, I wonder if anyone on here could point me in the right direction.


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my god some people on here have too much time on their hands,interesting isnt it how so many people in non league football 'know' each other but of course most of them dont actually know other,what they mean is they have heard secondhand rumours,third hand gossip and fourth hand scandal.
it always amazes me how so many people know exactly whats happened at this and that club,whos had their fingers in the till, whos took a backhander from another club et cetera,im club secretary at a step 5 club,also matchday secretary,fixture secretary,closely involved in the vets,youth and sunday sides,arrange pitch hire,hall hire, from 2009/10 editing and producing the programme, despite all this i probably know no more than half of what happens at my club so it always interests me when certain individuals seem to know chapter and verse about clubs they have no involvement in.
i cant really find any reason to bear a grudge against southill, it strikes me that many of their supporters will be new to non league football which is a positive development isnt it? if southill are hindering any other club due to their formation then please tell me who they are?
no ones more of a football traditionalist than me and i will hate MK Dons till the day i die but i cant see why should resent the formation of southill alexandra apart from the poncey name of course.


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We happen to believe that it is a high quality poncey name.

Yes, I am quite keen to learn who people believe Southill Alexander to be harming.


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I like those Marmite tv adverts with Paddington Bear in them. However I prefer the double glazing tv adverts - "you buy one you get one free, I say you buy one you get one free".

I could do with some new double glazing, I wonder if anyone on here could point me in the right direction.



Lol...may I suggest you ring the number on the tv advert that you like so much...Cool


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interesting stuff.

- could someone confirm whether anyone involved in some capacity with SAFC was previously involved in AFC Hornchurch and would they give a statement about their current finances.

- also could someone confirm whether or not Rhodes will be involved in some way. He appears to be using the term "we" about SAFC on another forum.

this could be relevant to potential investors.


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interesting stuff.

- could someone confirm whether anyone involved in some capacity with SAFC was previously involved in AFC Hornchurch and would they give a statement about their current finances.

- also could someone confirm whether or not Rhodes will be involved in some way. He appears to be using the term "we" about SAFC on another forum.

this could be relevant to potential investors.



LOL...hi horace....I don't think SA are actively seeking new investors other than those that wish to join..I am not aware of any soliciting taking place...

rhodes is not an official of SA ...why do you ask...do you have a grudge against him for any reason...?

and why should anyone give a statement regarding their personal finances on here....very strange comment...Crazy


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Lol...may I suggest you ring the number on the tv advert that you like so much...Cool



I certainly can't ring the number for Coldseal, can I? [no smiley]

Enquiries I have made amongst a number of sources within the game mean that I have no option but to urge everyone to steer well clear of SA. It would appear that the business and football-related track record of the characters involved in what they call this "project" (say no more) are not worthy of your 50.

Here today. Gone tomorrow. Like so many projects...


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Lol...may I suggest you ring the number on the tv advert that you like so much...Cool



I certainly can't ring the number for Coldseal, can I? [no smiley]

Enquiries I have made amongst a number of sources within the game mean that I have no option but to urge everyone to steer well clear of SA. It would appear that the business and football-related track record of the characters involved in what they call this "project" (say no more) are not worthy of your 50.

Here today. Gone tomorrow. Like so many projects...



hmm...loose and darter and simon may have something to say about that post and I shall leave that up to them....Wink


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interesting stuff.

- could someone confirm whether anyone involved in some capacity with SAFC was previously involved in AFC Hornchurch and would they give a statement about their current finances.

- also could someone confirm whether or not Rhodes will be involved in some way. He appears to be using the term "we" about SAFC on another forum.

this could be relevant to potential investors.


Certainly, you tell me who you are associated with, who you've been associated with, clubs you've evr even thought of supporting, who is associated with you, your finacial status, your level of interest and your inside leg measurement Mr "Honest Abe" who registered today and made your first post with the above. And I'll tell you what I can which is not proprietary information to current shareholders.

Wink


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There is a list of who is involved on their website.

Most of us are getting a little fed up now with these not-so-clever attempts to just re-hash the previous posts and pretend it's a serious question from a real potential investor.

You pay your fifty quid or you don't and I think the general response on here is that most won't.

I commend the clubs officials and others for coming on here and trying to answer at least the genuine sensible questions but you must realise by now that as far as the majority of this forums members go you are flogging a dead horse. It's entirely up to you whether you choose to carry on engaging with these people but if you do then you must realise that it seems there will be very little positivity. Sometimes you just have to know when to walk away.


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I would ask the Admins of this forum to consider your post very closely and determine whether you are making allegations regarding the honesty of people involved in Southill Alexander.


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I would ask the Admins of this forum to consider your post very closely and determine whether you are making allegations regarding the honesty of people involved in Southill Alexander.



You and your crony mention "honesty", not I.


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mmmm.. so why is Rhodes using the term "we" and saying he will be a "meeter and greeter"? will he be involved or not?

and the Q was about AFC Hornchurch current finances - would you know anything about those?

quite polite questions - no need for sarcsasm.


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There is a list of who is involved on their website.

Most of us are getting a little fed up now with these not-so-clever attempts to just re-hash the previous posts and pretend it's a serious question from a real potential investor.

You pay your fifty quid or you don't and I think the general response on here is that most won't.

I commend the clubs officials and others for coming on here and trying to answer at least the genuine sensible questions but you must realise by now that as far as the majority of this forums members go you are flogging a dead horse. It's entirely up to you whether you choose to carry on engaging with these people but if you do then you must realise that it seems there will be very little positivity. Sometimes you just have to know when to walk away.


Thank you Steve.

The point of responding on here is to represent actual information relating to Southill Alexander FC, not to recruit shareholders. You are entirely right that it should not be our aim, it never was. If people have genuine questions about how we are set up then I am happy to respond. Of course there will be many who participate in the forum for purely entertainment purposes if you could call it that.

Thank you for your assistance and advice.


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There is a list of who is involved on their website.

Most of us are getting a little fed up now with these not-so-clever attempts to just re-hash the previous posts and pretend it's a serious question from a real potential investor.

You pay your fifty quid or you don't and I think the general response on here is that most won't.

I commend the clubs officials and others for coming on here and trying to answer at least the genuine sensible questions but you must realise by now that as far as the majority of this forums members go you are flogging a dead horse. It's entirely up to you whether you choose to carry on engaging with these people but if you do then you must realise that it seems there will be very little positivity. Sometimes you just have to know when to walk away.



lol...very true steve...we came here to answer questions being asked and most of the people asking were decent and well meaning....with the greatest respect to this site it is not a site where anyone would seek to recruit/solicite for internet based projects due to the NL purity its members tend to hold dear....we merely attempted to be honest albeit expecting and getting the odd troll with red horns....Mad

so I'm offsky but we will keep you up to date with developments as and when they arise so please leave the thread open...

many thanks for your support


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what could you possibly have to hide?!??!


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mmmm.. so why is Rhodes using the term "we" and saying he will be a "meeter and greeter"? will he be involved or not?

and the Q was about AFC Hornchurch current finances - would you know anything about those?

quite polite questions - no need for sarcsasm.



sarcastic..moi...never...Angelic

and yes I know everything about Hx finances as we have just sold the club 10 weeks ago....whats that got to do with SAFC horace....?

this is my last post paddy.....Wink


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Of course there will be many who participate in the forum for purely entertainment purposes if you could call it that.



Most people who participate on this forum are knowledgeable about the game (e.g. have heard of Cambridge City FC, for goodness sake) and are real supporters of real football clubs.

Please keep your implied threats to yourself (it would appear that threats of legal action is a common theme with certain people not a million miles away).


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Of course there will be many who participate in the forum for purely entertainment purposes if you could call it that.



Most people who participate on this forum are knowledgeable about the game (e.g. have heard of Cambridge City FC, for goodness sake) and are real supporters of real football clubs.

Please keep your implied threats to yourself (it would appear that threats of legal action is a common theme with certain people not a million miles away).

I live 30 minutes from Cambridge thanks, I think I should know where their ground is thanks. Perhaps irony is wasted on certain people, I will try not to waste it in future.

Please keep your impied allegations to yourself, I have done nothing but poilitely discuss, where asked, about Southill Alexander whereas you have decided that your contribution be anything but.

Thank you.


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It would appear certain people are evasive or offer implied threats if asked legitimate questions about the identity and activities of some of the people involved.

hardly enticing for attracting people to becoming involved the club - but that is just my opinion.


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I have done nothing but poilitely discuss, where asked, about Southill Alexander whereas you have decided that your contribution be anything but.



My first contribution to this thread was to ask you what Plan B was. I was genuinely interested, but your lack of response to that simple question was very telling and made me dig around to see if I could find a reason for the evasiveness. I didn't need to dig too far, believe you me.

My contribution to this sorry thread is over.

I would wish you the best of luck, but I would be lying to myself. And we all know about the adage of lies being eventually found out...


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interesting stuff.

- could someone confirm whether anyone involved in some capacity with SAFC was previously involved in AFC Hornchurch and would they give a statement about their current finances.

- also could someone confirm whether or not Rhodes will be involved in some way. He appears to be using the term "we" about SAFC on another forum.

this could be relevant to potential investors.



LOL...hi horace....I don't think SA are actively seeking new investors other than those that wish to join..I am not aware of any soliciting taking place...

rhodes is not an official of SA ...why do you ask...do you have a grudge against him for any reason...?

and why should anyone give a statement regarding their personal finances on here....very strange comment...Crazy


Just to put the record straight Paddington, I have never posted on here under any other name. You got that one wrong! If I were to register as a troll, I would call myself 90K, or maybe 650K


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I have done nothing but poilitely discuss, where asked, about Southill Alexander whereas you have decided that your contribution be anything but.



My first contribution to this thread was to ask you what Plan B was. I was genuinely interested, but your lack of response to that simple question was very telling and made me dig around to see if I could find a reason for the evasiveness. I didn't need to dig too far, believe you me.

My contribution to this sorry thread is over.

I would wish you the best of luck, but I would be lying to myself. And we all know about the adage of lies being eventually found out...

I'm quite sure that I am unaware what I have done to earn anyones enmity on here. If I have missed a question then perhaps that could be put down to the number of questions. I have done my best to answer politely as many questions asked as possible. I do not feel that I have received the same from some posters in return.

To bluntly be asked certain questions I have found to be to a certain degree dismissive in advance whilst others have been plainly rude (although the Admins have been kind enough to moderate on ocassion), I have felt to be unwarranted. I have in no way visited this forum in an attempt to gain enemies or earn peoples distrust.

I am an officer of Southill Alexander, as CEO, my name and contact details are on full display on the Southill website, I make no attempt to hide my identity or my reason for being here. Again, I am unsure exactly what more is required of someone visiting this forum, politely responding to questions about something they have put any degree of work or effort into.


To answer your original question, I believe it to be bad form and of the utmost disrespect to discuss any supposed Plan B whilst presenting your Plan A to someone else. That is my business practice and my own personal ethic.

As regards shareholders being disappointed in any failure to achieve Plan A and considering their options there is in fact a remedy on the T&Cs of the website at www.southillalexanderfc.com but in no way are shareholders promised the achievement of Southill Alexander FC playing in any division within the SSML merely that we have applied. As I say, in any case there is a remedy but I am not prepared to discuss it here for the moment or in any way pre-suppose or pre-empt the SSMFL Commitee's deliberations. As I said, not the done thing by my book.

Meanwhile, I apologise if anyone feels that this thread has been a disruption to their forum, that I merely took it as my responsibility to respond to queries and represent Southill Alexander during your discussions. <BR


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we seem to be going round in circles here but basically there seems to be two groups against the southill idea
A. the traditionalists-whats all this nonsense? a new club with new fangled ideas?
B. the conspiracy theorists-they basically believe the clubs some kind of scam,oh they will take your money then not find a league to play in, then bugger off. obviously if they are accepted into the SSML then that will kill off that accussation but being conspiracy theorists they will simply replace one ill founded rumour with another.


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178 posts - 8 pages - deleted posts - libel threats - same questions - same answers - all ends up in ever decreasing circles until we all end up disappearing up our own *rse. About time this came to an end I think.


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It seems to me that there is a big difference between a football CLUB and a football TEAM.

This new venture is just a team, not a football club. I think it's wrong that anyone should be able to start a new team and, by arranging a groundshare, be immediately eligible to join the pyramid system. Don't the groundshare rules say something like: it must be a TEMPORARY arrangement and that the "club" must show it has definite plans to provide its own stadium? And that "clubs" cannot groundshare simply in order to achieve promotion?

Any "team" which groundshares has an immediate advantage over a club with its own ground. The groundsharing team just pays a fixed rent and doesn't have to worry about maintenance, groundstaff, utilities bills, business rates, etc etc etc. Any groundsharing team therefore has a disproportionate amount to spend on its manager, players, etc.

The first step for any new "club" should really be to find a patch of grass to play on. Then make progress, bit by bit. Fence it in. Add some hard standing. Get some dugouts and changing rooms. Put up a bit of shelter. It all takes time, but in this way you get a proper club with a realistic foundation.

Personally, I would ban groundsharing unless the club's ground/stadium is being altered/renovated and any agreement to groundshare should be for one season only.



Rubbish. You clearly don't know what on earth you are talking about.

The ground grading rules do not say that at all. Have you actually looked at them? If not, (or even if you have) here they are:


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Ground sharing is permitted in accordance with the provisions of individual league rules and regulations




As we are talking about entry into step 6, Grade G is relevant, but this rule is the same for all grades from A-G. There are some other relevant bits under 1: GROUND, and 1.1: Security of Tenure, and you can read them if you want, as they are available directly from the FA website.

The ground grading rules don't say that any groundsharing arrangement: "must be a TEMPORARY arrangement and that the "club" must show it has definite plans to provide its own stadium? And that "clubs" cannot groundshare simply in order to achieve promotion."

The only other thing I can say is you obviously have no experience of running a club. Its not realistic to just find a patch of grass from somewhere, and get planning permission for those things you have mentioned automatically. Luckily the FA have a more realistic view of it, although ideally every club would have their own stadium.

Its a pity you feel the need to kick clubs like Kingstonian and Maidstone United out of the pyramid though.


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178 posts - 8 pages - deleted posts - libel threats - same questions - same answers - all ends up in ever decreasing circles until we all end up disappearing up our own *rse. About time this came to an end I think.



Hear, bloody hear. As The Bard almost said: "Ah, this thread...'tis a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."




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Russell would have loved this thread, imagine all the questions he'd be asking....Cool The thread would have been locked long ago if that were the case!



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How appropriate is the name ? My researchs, albeit brief, show that The Carlsberg is within the boundaries of Biggleswade - Southil parish doesn't start until the W side of the River Ivel.

Also Bishop Alexander (the magnificent) was the prelate of Lincoln. The grant of the manor of Biggleswade by Henry I to the Bishop was a typical sop of its day to curry favour (and give a further source of income) to a spiritual leader. It was a bit like the back-scratching merry-go-round of non-executive directorships of today. Did he ever live in Biggleswade or just collect on their tithes?


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178 posts - 8 pages - deleted posts - libel threats - same questions - same answers - all ends up in ever decreasing circles until we all end up disappearing up our own *rse. About time this came to an end I think.



Hear, bloody hear. As The Bard almost said: "Ah, this thread...'tis a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."


Okay fellas, granted.



Just a note to anyone who is wondering, I am no longer a moderator of this forum due to current personal circumstances and work commitments. If you need help, contact leohoenig or Steve walker. Thank You.

 
 


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