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trevor56
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i must be the only one who does'nt think this lad should be banned.he's obviously very passionate player.wish more players were like him.not saying everybody should hit the ref though.i think what happened here is the red mist descended & he just "lost it".maybe someone should arrange anger management lessons.


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i must be the only one who does'nt think this lad should be banned.he's obviously very passionate player.wish more players were like him.not saying everybody should hit the ref though.i think what happened here is the red mist descended & he just "lost it".maybe someone should arrange anger management lessons.




i am passionate about 'real ale' so the next time i get served a dodgy pint the 'red mist' will descend and i will break the barmans jaw
and someone will wish there were more real ale drinkers like me. But everything will turn out alright because the brewery will offer me
an anger management course

Get real mate


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i must be the only one who does'nt think this lad should be banned.he's obviously very passionate player.wish more players were like him.not saying everybody should hit the ref though.i think what happened here is the red mist descended & he just "lost it".maybe someone should arrange anger management lessons.


Don't agree there. It's still assault. Give him a Sine Die ban, at least that will make other 'passionate' footballers think twice about their actions.



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i must be the only one who does'nt think this lad should be banned.he's obviously very passionate player.wish more players were like him.not saying everybody should hit the ref though.i think what happened here is the red mist descended & he just "lost it".maybe someone should arrange anger management lessons.



Are you his dad? What utter drivel.


Andy Parker has spoken to the local press:


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THE Charnwood Sunday League’s ‘referee of the year’ for last season who had his jaw broken in an attack by a player is still encouraging budding referees.

Andy Parker, 50, was officiating the East Midlands Counties League encounter between St Andrews and Gedling Miners Welfare on November 22 when he was left unconscious by an irate player’s vicious punch.

He now faces months of treatment to correct his depressed and fractured cheekbone.

“I hope it doesn’t put people off,” the former player and Birstall United coach told the Echo. “I have been in football for 44 years and a referee for seven and I have never seen anything like it. You hear about these things happening abroad but you never think it could be yourself that it happens too. It should not have happened the once however.

“Hopefully players will see this and what might happen to the person who did it and they will think twice about doing something similar.

“I’m going to be out of action from refereeing until January as I can’t really run around while my jaw is wired up. Then I’m going to have to sit down with my wife and discuss whether I should continue or not.”

The Charnwood Sunday League’s referees secretary Ian Stanbridge has contacted Mr Parker a number of times.

“The numbers of referees is in decline for various reasons,” he said. “And abuse is one of the main problems be it physical or verbal.

“We have the respect campaign ongoing but I don’t think it goes far enough. It comes right from the top and if people see players in the Premier League abusing the referee then they think they can do the same.

“This is an isolated case thankfully but no referee in the world deserves this.”



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I am sure i have heard that you can no longer ban a player sine die because of the human rights aspect.One of those European rules again.


StokePriorAndy
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I am sure i have heard that you can no longer ban a player sine die because of the human rights aspect.One of those European rules again.



And a complete fallacy to boot


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What was the punishment dished out to the player who assaulted the referee in (I think) a Leighton v Thame game in the early days of this decade, ie before the "carve up"? I've tried googling it without much luck.

That's the best indicator at what sort of sentence should be dished out to this offender.



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So you are totally sure thats not right.
If so ok. Or are you saying that should not be the case and disagree if it is right.


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I am sure i have heard that you can no longer ban a player sine die because of the human rights aspect.


That is bollox. Wasn't in the Daily Mail by any chance was it?

County FA's release details of players on Sine Die suspensions regularly. Google 'sine die football association' for the various lists.
As an example here's Sussex FA's list:-
http://www.sussexfa.com/...list5thSeptember.pdf


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I have brought the post back, having removed the objectionable stuff about social workers
This is a football board - keep to topic.



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I have brought the post back, having removed the objectionable stuff about social workers
This is a football board - keep to topic.




fair play Leo


StokePriorAndy
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So you are totally sure thats not right.
If so ok. Or are you saying that should not be the case and disagree if it is right.



Totally sure it's not right.

There is a different aspect to banning professional players where the game is their livelihood. In that case they might challenge a ban as being a "restraint of trade" but that's a challenge in English Law rather than European and it would be up to the courts to judge on the basis of the evidence.


Also, I was aware of a player, Wes Joyce who is now at Malvern being banned "sin die" and is now playing again for Malvern having served a prison sentence and what turned out, I believe, to be a 99 game ban from football. Wes used to play for Rovers in his early days and I would describe him as "troubled", in my opinion. Also, in my opinion, since his prison sentence, apparently for assualt of one form (I'm not sure which) or another he appears to be a reformed person and has proved himself worthy of a second chance. I only know a couple of conflicting stories of the offence he was imprisoned for so I won't expand here as I'm not 100% sure of my facts.


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Re: [StokePriorAndy] Ref assaulted. [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

As normal I see both sides.
I have a conviction (wrongly IMO) without details I was bruised and injured - the injured party was nt injured but hey - and now I can't work in many jobs though anyone who knows me would have no qualms of me teaching, coaching or babysitting etc.
How many people on here have been in a fight - stats say around 65% but of course vary - assault is a broad term as well.
Either we allow people some chance of rehabilitation or not - or send me to Oz.
Some leopards change their spots some don't. I ve been punched as a player and threatened as a ref - yes a punishment is in order and I feel the law should apply on the field as it does off it, but is football a different case? should someone never play football again when they can walk the streets and or take up another sport - I guess the FA have some right to make their own laws and this case appears to be a very serious and extreme case.
I guess 'policing' the return of a player after a serious incident is at lower levels is impratical but call me a lilly livered liberal but I do think people are worth a second or more chance.
Again I would stress that my belief that there are so many people on here who could not have had a criminal conviction for something is frankly laughable and unbelievable, but you get ready to cast your stones anyway.
This post is not intended in anyway to distract from the horrific incident that started this thread - I just feel those who have post views similar to mine are pretty much bound to shouted be down, but trust me get convicted of the crimes I am sure many of you have committed and you may look at it slightly differently.
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(This post was edited by MattRamLives on Dec 6, 2008, 6:32 PM)


forestman
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Just read this thread and was totally unaware of this incident but think maybe a sense of realism be brought to this very emotive subject. I speak as a former referee who was once assaulted by a player who i sent off, way back in the 80's, the assault on me was not as serious as this one only because the players teammates managed to restrain him from doing any serious damage. Whille it might be clear to all who were there that he is guilty he must go through the 'due course of law' process, both FA and legal law, and until that time is 'innocent until proven guilty' as is the premise by which our society lives. When and if found guilty then both the FA and Legal laws MUST be fully enforced.
As a matter of interested the assault on me did not stop me from continuing refereeing which i did until family and work commitment, and of course old age (just cant seem to run anymore) stopped me, and i enjoyed many games after that incident.
Incidentally while the law never got involved the FA did ban the player sine die though i suppose its a bit odd but myself and the player concerned are now great friends


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Incidentally while the law never got involved the FA did ban the player sine die though i suppose its a bit odd but myself and the player concerned are now great friends


If that's the case then presumably the player concerned is a reformed character, which rather gives the lie to those who are not prepared to give anyone a second chance.

One of the players involved in the betting scandal of the 1960s received a sine die suspension from football and served a short prison sentence, but in later years he applied successfully to have his ban lifted and became heavily involved in local football, and went on to manage Clipstone Welfare, Retford Town and Rainworth. In so doing he gave more back to the game than he ever took out through his misdemeanour, earning great respect, and the climax was leading his club out at Wembley in the 1982 FA Vase final.

Bans must be served for misdemeanours, but 'never say never again'.


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Just a matter of point, in my case the player concerned hes never applied to get his sine die ban lifted and is still banned, but by his own choice

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