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fredkirkbytown
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The talk on the East Midlands Counties League and the
Central Midlands League Forums, is that the EMCL game
between St Andrews and Gedling MW had to be abandoned
after Ref Andy Parker was Knocked out cold, when he was
punched by a St Andrews player he had sent off.
Reports say that the ref had a fractured cheekbone and
2 fractures to his jaw and spent night in hospital.


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St. Andrews were winning 3-1 when the "incident" happened...

No matter the performance of a match official, you can't strike them! Ramifications for the player? Lifetime ban -- assault charges -- loss of earnings suit -- no doubt Andy will not be at work for a while...

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Absolutely shocking ! How can an incident like this encourage anyone to take up refereering ?


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This has made Burnley's forum, which also gives the appalling statistic that 847 referees were subjected to assault last season.


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Much as some referees can appear incompetent NOBODY deserves this!

It would be magificent if ALL OFFICIALS covering in this league went on strike in protest & did no games in protest for a month!



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I agree. We all have experienced referees who seem to have a hidden agenda against our club and seem to give everything against us, or don't seem to apply the laws of the game correctly etc. Refs have to put up with enough from the sidelines nevermind players getting constantly in their faces (like Emley's lot on Saturday) but to strike the ref is absolutely unacceptable and the player must be banned for life from playing. If it happened in the street and someone got knocked out, you'd expect the person to be locked up.



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A leicestershire police spokesman said the
player was arrested on suspicion of asssault
and has been bailed.


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Ban him for life...


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Ban him for life...



This should hopefully automatic - t don't we have double standards when we have still plying their trade in the Premiershi* a player who has been convicted of an assault on a fellow player and a manager who admitted attempting to break an opponent's leg. In my opinion both of those should have been treated similarly.


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Ban him for life...


Hadn't we better wait for him to be proven guilty of something first?

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Hadn't we better wait for him to be proven guilty of something first?

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Dear oh dear! Was the broken jaw an accident? Did his fist slip?

Incredible!

The thug has been named and shamed and will receive a life ban. Hopefully the criminal lawcourts will also see that justice is done...........


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Hadn't we better wait for him to be proven guilty of something first?

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Dear oh dear! Was the broken jaw an accident? Did his fist slip? .


I don't know, I wasn't there. Were you?

Of course anyone who is properly convicted (either by the courts or by FA procedures) of assault on a referee should get a sine die ban. I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first.

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I don't know, I wasn't there. Were you?

Of course anyone who is properly convicted (either by the courts or by FA procedures) of assault on a referee should get a sine die ban. I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first.



You don't know. Exactly, yet you came out with the utterly pointless comment that you did.

I wasn't there, but it doesn't mean I don't know what happened.

"I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first." JESUS!


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Don't know if you have to register to read this but it is covered in some detail by many AT THE GAME. CLICK HERE TO READ.



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Just in case you can't get on, here are a few choice excerpts. A supporter, two St Andrews players and a Gedling commitee member.


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The worst thing I've ever seen at a football match (and I've been to 1000's)

Fracas near end of game. Ref confers with linesman and calls one player over from each team and books them. Then calls over St Andrews No 12 and sends him off. No 12 puts his face up close to ref and says something, then turns away before swinging round and punching the ref with GREAT FORCE in the face. No 12 then jumps over fence and runs to dressing room. On arrival at door to dressing room decides he wants some more and turns round to head back onto pitch. One of St Andrews people stops him and pushes him into dressing room. Ref has been knocked out cold and is just lying on pitch. He is covered in blankets and given attention but it is a LONG time before he moves.

Divided opinion amongst spectators and players, management etc. I heard one SICKENING comment that the ref had been asking for it! Several St Andrews players were saying how disgraceful it was and one said that he would not play with No 12 again.




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I myself play for St Andrews and Myself and others did not expect the incident to occur and therefore cannot see how we were supposed to have stopped the event. He also has no previous history of attacking referees so im not sure how the management could be seen as responsible for this either. The player has been with the club since youth level and was never signed on by the management in place anyway.

I myself thought the attack was shocking along with members of the management who have already said, 'He will never play for this club again'. I dont think this really matters as he will be banned from football for life for such an attack. I sincerly hope the referee is ok and makes a full recovery and there is no excuse what so ever for acting in this manner. Numerous referees have poor games and make mistakes, of which none should be subject to such treatment.

I just hope the league look at it carefully and see that it was the actions of one player, and do not punish all the other players who had fought for the victory which was only minutes away along with the management.

Big thanks to the Gedling players and supporters though who both played and supported a great game of football only for it to be ruined by 10 seconds of complete madness.



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I myself aswell play for andrews and played on saturday. We all hope the ref is making a full recoverey, and we cannot defend the player from this incident. He has had no previous assaults on referees as said before, and he has been with the club for around 4 years when he was 17.

This was dreadful and could not been antcipated. I believe we should not be punished for one persons actions, however i also think that we may get punished, points deducted etc.

Again to echo a big thanks to gedling players, staff and supporters, for their help with the ref and in general for the whole situation. It was a great game.



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I am part of GMW's commitee & was witness to the unbelievable incident on Saturday, I wish the Referee a speedy recovery.
My personal thoughts are that the player should have every charge & punishment possible thrown at him from both the FA & the criminal system.
St. Andrew's as a club could never of seen that coming so I hope they do not get punished as a club. The worst case senario should be a forfeit of the game but I would like to see the game replayed as before the incident it was a entertaining game for all involved.
We will as always be welcoming St. Andrew's to our ground this Saturday & returning the hospitality shown to us.
Again best wishes to the Referee & hope he can recover to come back to football, the game which we all love.




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You don't know. Exactly, yet you came out with the utterly pointless comment that you did.

I wasn't there, but it doesn't mean I don't know what happened.

"I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first." JESUS!


Hang on one cotton picking minute.

Nowhere on any post I have made in this thread implies I do know what happened - the very opposite in fact. Let the procedure of justice run its course.

Now, answer the question. Were you there, and do you know exactly what happened, or are you reacting to forum and message board postings yourself?

And once again, for your benefit, anyone convicted of assaulting a referee, either by the law courts or FA procedures, deserves a sine die ban.

There, is that clear enough for you?

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You seem to set yourself up as judge and jury here.


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I. Know. What. Happened.

I also know who did it and know that there's no doubt about what he did or what the effect of his actions were. Is that clear enough for you??

Richard, do you work for Bideford Social Services by any chance?


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I don't know, I wasn't there. Were you?

Of course anyone who is properly convicted (either by the courts or by FA procedures) of assault on a referee should get a sine die ban. I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first.



You don't know. Exactly, yet you came out with the utterly pointless comment that you did.

I wasn't there, but it doesn't mean I don't know what happened.

"I'm just keen on those proper procedures taking place first." JESUS!

Before this starts getting personal, may I say that at no point did Richard defend the alleged actions of the accused. Neither did his opinion differ from that of all of us regarding his punishment should he be found guilty which, based on what has been reported, looks like what will happen.

Richard is correct however when he says that before guilt is proven the facts need to be presented to the appropriate authorities and a thorough investigation conducted by those agents concerned. If the player is then found guilty I agree that he should receive a lifetime ban and the longest custodial sentence possible.



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Finding the perpetrator guilty is only a matter of going through the motions as far as I'm concerned. Hope he gets a fair trial after all this message board traffic, the poor mite! ;-)

But to offer a serious suggestion, regardless of hearings and court cases, how about-as soon as is feasable-St. Andrews host Gedling in a friendly, maybe a Sunday so as many fans as possible, both in their locality & groundhoppers, with all the gatemoney being donated to the referee, or a chairty of his choice, if he doesn't want it personally?

It won't change things, but it would show a heartfelt disgust of what has happened.



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On the "Football grounds in focus" website,on
this months photo's...Photo 20, there is a photo
of the St Andrews v Gedling MW match.
Not of the incident of course.


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My apologies for rising to the bait last night, but I was absolutely furious with the "he's not been found guilty yet" message. Sorry for lowering the tone.


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Why has he been bailed?
Why isn't he in the nick pending trial which could be this week? It's not as if there aren't any witnesses.


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Mishi, you said they should arrange a match between the teams,
with all gatemoney being donated to Andy Parker.
The return league meeting is due this saturday, although
linesmen haven't been arranged for the game.
Surprised the Leicester media haven't mentioned the
incident. well at least not on the website.
There is some mention in the Nottingham Evening Post.
But i still don't know how Andy Parker is getting on,
last we heard he spent the night in hospital.
Is he out now?


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Surprised the Leicester media haven't mentioned the
incident. well at least not on the website.
There is some mention in the Nottingham Evening Post.
But i still don't know how Andy Parker is getting on,
last we heard he spent the night in hospital.
Is he out now?



http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/...-detail/article.html

Guilt admitted, etc.


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This season the FA expects to recruit approx 7000 new referees.

Unfortunately it expects 8000 referees to quit the game, no thanks in part to similar people.

As a referee who has been in Andy's position, I sincerely hope he recovers quickly and doesn't let the b**tard put him off doing something he enjoys.

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